Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w13 7/15 p. 22 par. 10 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***

10 Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence.


They want to make it seem as if Jesus only used 12 men to feed the 5,000, that is totally incorrect. If you are going to find truth, you must examine each account of a Bible story. Have any of you JW's looked at Luke's account of the presumed prophecy? Probably not!


Luke 6:13 (NWT) 13 And when it became day, he called his disciples to him and chose from among them 12, whom he also named apostles. (How many Disciples were there for Him to choose 12?)


Luke 6:17 (NWT) 17 And he came down with them and stood on a level place, and there was a large crowd of his disciples, and a great multitude of people. (How many disciples?)


Luke 9:14 (NWT) 14 There were, in fact, about 5,000 men. But he said to his disciples: “Have them sit down in groups of about 50 each.” (This would make 100 groups. And they were feed by 12 men?)


Luke 9:16 (NWT) 16 Taking now the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven and blessed them. Then he broke them up and began giving them to the disciples to set before the crowd. (Chapter 6:17 says that He had a LARGE crowed of Disciples following Him)


Luke 19:37 (NWT) 37 As soon as he got near the road down the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and to praise God with a loud voice because of all the powerful works they had seen.


Before the feeding of the 5,000 and after the feeding of the 5,000 there was a LARGE crowd of disciples with Jesus.


So it seems to me that Jesus always had a LARGE crowd of disciples following Him, not just 12! So, the teaching by the GB of Jesus "feeding many through the hands of a few" is a false teaching. Study the Bible for yourselves people!!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

No, I don't believe God lied. He meant what he said. He said, "In the day you eat, you shall surely die."

Adam and Eve did die that day. They died spiritually because they disobeyed God. They were separated from God. They lost fellowship with Him. They were put out of the garden. Separation from God is spiritual death. I don't know what else it could be called.

If people can be made alive as they were in Eph. 2, then they had to be dead to begin with. We know they weren't physically dead. The only kind of dead they could have been was spiritually dead, unless you have a better term to describe what kind of dead they were..


It's a simile. Ask any language expert, English or Greek..

The context is about the Lord keeping His promise. Yes, there will be people who make fun and laugh, saying where is Jesus? How come He hasn't come back as He promised? Peter assures his readers that time is meaningless to the creator of time. He wants his readers to understand that God is giving everyone time to repent. He doesn't want anyone to be lost, and He does keep His promises. That's the context.

A simile is a figure of speech in which two unlike things are compared. In this case, a day is being compared to a year.

The verse says One day is AS a thousand years, and a thousand years AS one day. It does not say one day is a thousand years. It does not say a thousand years is one day.

IS means equal to. AS, in this verse is an adverb used to compare two different things.

Here's an example of a simile: Her cheeks are as red as an apple. This compares cheeks to apples. It does not say her cheeks are apples.

Amen!!! Explained beautifully!!


Col 2:8-14 (ESVST) . 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands.

Is he here talking to dead people, or are they living people who are dead? The resurrection hadn't happened yet, so how could he say "you, who WERE dead"? They were spiritually dead.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Eph 4:17-18 (ESVST) 17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

Spiritual death.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Watchtower June 1, 2015 Page 14 Who is the Antichrist?

The only Bible writer to use the word “antichrist” is the apostle John. How did he describe the antichrist? Note these words in the first letter bearing his name: “Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort . . . Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.”—1 John 2:18, 19, 22.

Notice the ellipsis after sort. The WT love to use this in their publications! This way they can tell a half truth or evade the whole truth.

18 Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,+ even now many antichrists have appeared,+ from which fact we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of our sort;*+ for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort.+ 20 And you have an anointing from the holy one,+ and all of you have knowledge. 21 I write you, not because you do not know the truth,+ but because you know it, and because no lie originates with the truth.+ 22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?+ This is the antichrist,+ the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either.+ But whoever acknowledges the Son+ has the Father also.+ 24 As for you, what you have heard from the beginning must remain in you.+ If what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with the Son and in union with the Father. 25 Furthermore, this is what he himself promised us—the life everlasting.+ 26 I write you these things about those who are trying to mislead you. 27 And as for you, the anointing that you received from him+ remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but the anointing from him is teaching you about all things+ and is true and is no lie. Just as it has taught you, remain in union with him.


Why in the world would the WT neglect to add these very important verses about the teaching of the antichrist? Who is John talking to? Young children, which we know means "YOUNG IN THE FAITH" not literal children. What does he tell these, young in the faith? Verse 20, they have the anointing and ALL of them have knowledge. Verse 21, why would the WT want to leave out that they know the truth, and no lie originates with the truth? Verse 26 is why they leave out verse 21. What about verse 27? The most important verse for all believers! They really don't want any JW's reading that verse! John is not talking to spiritually mature Christians here. Open your eyes JW's search the scriptures yourself!

 

[katiemygirl]

You were wrong then and you remain wrong now.

It is easy to be presumptuous like that.

I have no doubt that even Pegg or JayJayDee or other Witnesses have thought that same thing.

It creates a convenient excuse for the presumptuous to use so as to dismiss things lightly that they don't like.

I pray I am wrong. It would be most helpful if you just say what denomination you are affiliated with.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The churches add to the confusion by promoting the use of Bible translations that omit God’s personal name, Jehovah, from the text. They do this despite the fact that the name Jehovah occurs some 7,000 times in the original text of the Bible. The result? The identity of the true God becomes even more shrouded in mystery. Watchtower June 1, 2015 page 15 (Beware of antichrists activities today)

If it was commanded that we use God's name, which is YHWH, not Jehovah. Why did Jesus not command it? Why didn't Jesus even use God's name?


*** it-2 p. 464 Name ***


A word or phrase that constitutes a distinctive designation of a person, place, animal, plant, or other object. “Name” can mean a person’s reputation or the person himself.

Ezk 6:13-14 (ESVST) . 14 And I will stretch out my hand against them and make the land desolate and waste, in all their dwelling places, from the wilderness to Riblah. Then they will know that I am the Lord." (This verse sounds more like they will know His reputation than His personal name, doesn't it? Unless He is saying, "Then they will know that I am the Jehovah.")


Ezk 24:25-27 (ESVST) 25 "As for you, son of man, surely on the day when I take from them their stronghold, their joy and glory, the delight of their eyes and their soul 's desire, and also their sons and daughters, 26 on that day a fugitive will come to you to report to you the news. 27 On that day your mouth will be opened to the fugitive, and you shall speak and be no longer mute. So you will be a sign to them, and they will know that I am the Lord." (Reputation, not personal name)


If God wanted everyone to know His name, why didn't He reveal it to Abraham, Isaac or Jacob?

Exo 6:2-3 (ESVST) 2 God spoke to Moses and said to him, "I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the Lord I did not make myself known to them.

 

[katiemygirl]

The churches add to the confusion by promoting the use of Bible translations that omit God’s personal name, Jehovah, from the text. They do this despite the fact that the name Jehovah occurs some 7,000 times in the original text of the Bible. The result? The identity of the true God becomes even more shrouded in mystery. Watchtower June 1, 2015 page 15 (Beware of antichrists activities today)

If it was commanded that we use God's name, which is YHWH, not Jehovah. Why did Jesus not command it? Why didn't Jesus even use God's name?


*** it-2 p. 464 Name ***


A word or phrase that constitutes a distinctive designation of a person, place, animal, plant, or other object. “Name” can mean a person’s reputation or the person himself.

Ezk 6:13-14 (ESVST) . 14 And I will stretch out my hand against them and make the land desolate and waste, in all their dwelling places, from the wilderness to Riblah. Then they will know that I am the Lord." (This verse sounds more like they will know His reputation than His personal name, doesn't it? Unless He is saying, "Then they will know that I am the Jehovah.")


Ezk 24:25-27 (ESVST) 25 "As for you, son of man, surely on the day when I take from them their stronghold, their joy and glory, the delight of their eyes and their soul 's desire, and also their sons and daughters, 26 on that day a fugitive will come to you to report to you the news. 27 On that day your mouth will be opened to the fugitive, and you shall speak and be no longer mute. So you will be a sign to them, and they will know that I am the Lord." (Reputation, not personal name)


If God wanted everyone to know His name, why didn't He reveal it to Abraham, Isaac or Jacob?

Exo 6:2-3 (ESVST) 2 God spoke to Moses and said to him, "I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the Lord I did not make myself known to them.

Jesus said we should adress God as our Father.

 

[Awoon]

Adam and Eve did die that day. They died spiritually because they disobeyed God. They were separated from God. They lost fellowship with Him. They were put out of the garden. Separation from God is spiritual death. I don't know what else it could be called.

If they lost fellowship with God, Who or What has been talking to A&E in the rest of Genesis 3? Also who or What spoke to the Hebrew Prophets from Genesis 4 to Malachi 4:6? And then you have Jesus the God/Man talking to Adam & Eve offspring and having fellowship with them in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, and even the tribe of Benjamin man Paul, another offspring of A&E, talked to the God named Jesus, and Revelation.

The so-called "spiritual death," is just another Christian scare tactic that the Institution made up to control people who join the Institution of Christianity.

When a God stops fellowship with it's created creature, why does it still fellowship with it's created creatures?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Can We Really Please God? Watchtower July 2015

Job, Lot, and David all made mistakes, some very serious ones at that. But, as we will see, they were wholehearted in their desire to serve God obediently. They were willing to show that they were sorry and to change their ways where needed. Hence, God looked on them with favor, and overall the Bible refers to them as faithful men.

WHAT CAN WE LEARN?
As imperfect humans, we cannot avoid making mistakes. (Romans 3:23) But when we do, we need to show that we are sorry and then do what we can to put matters right.

How did Job, Lot, and David try to put their mistakes right? At heart, Job was a man of integrity. After God reasoned with him, Job corrected his wrong thinking and took back what he had said. (Job 42:6) Lot’s view of the immoral conduct of people in Sodom and Gomorrah completely agreed with God’s standards. It was his temporary lack of urgency that was the problem. He eventually fled the condemned cities and escaped God’s judgment. Obediently he did not even look back at what he was leaving behind. Although David made a serious mistake in breaking God’s law, he revealed what was truly in his heart by sincerely repenting and throwing himself on God’s mercy.—Psalm 51.

Let's break this paragraph down. A subtle way to train the JW's how to view the errors the GB have taught.


At heart, Job was a man of integrity. After God reasoned with him, Job corrected his wrong thinking and took back what he had said. Could this be subliminally teaching that the GB has taken back the false teaching about 1919 after God reasoned with them and corrected their thinking in 2013?


Lot’s view of the immoral conduct of people in Sodom and Gomorrah completely agreed with God’s standards. It was his temporary lack of urgency that was the problem. He eventually fled the condemned cities and escaped God’s judgment. Obediently he did not even look back at what he was leaving behind. Could this be to direct the JW's that the GB is correct in it's teaching God's standards and their urgency in believeing them is most important. That they should obediently not look back at previous teachings?


Although David made a serious mistake in breaking God’s law, he revealed what was truly in his heart by sincerely repenting and throwing himself on God’s mercy. Could this be teaching JW's that if they are doubting the GB they should repent and throw themselves on the mercy of God?


It doesn't matter how many "MISTAKES" anyone made in the Bible, "NONE" of them ever taught worldwide a false prophecy for 100 years. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, people are going to interpret the Bible wrong because we are imperfect. The only problem with this is, the WTBTS have taught something that was wrong as a truth for 100 years. They cannot compare themselves with anyone in the Bible, NO ONE! Not one prophet, teacher, apostle, disciple, evangelist or whoever else there was, NEVER taught something to be the "TRUTH" and "DEMANED" that their followers accept and believe it. You cannot say that the false teaching and prophecies by the GB was a mistake. The WTBTS itself claims that "CHRISTENDOM" was against the 1919 prophecy, that they didn't accept it or go along with it is why they are labeled "APOSTATES". Why can't any of you see this? We are labeled apostates, but we taught the truth that the GB finally figured out in 2013. And none of you can deny that. But you will defend the GB to the death. "CHRISTENDOM TAUGHT THE TRUTH ABOUT 1919, YOU SAY IT YOURSELVES WHEN YOU ADMIT WE DIDN'T ACCEPT THAT TEACHING."

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The so-called "spiritual death," is just another Christian scare tactic that the Institution made up to control people who join the Institution of Christianity.

When a God stops fellowship with it's created creature, why does it still fellowship with it's created creatures?

Does God fellowship with you? Does He fellowship with any JW?

 

[katiemygirl]

If they lost fellowship with God, Who or What has been talking to A&E in the rest of Genesis 3? Also who or What spoke to the Hebrew Prophets from Genesis 4 to Malachi 4:6? And then you have Jesus the God/Man talking to Adam & Eve offspring and having fellowship with them in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, and even the tribe of Benjamin man Paul, another offspring of A&E, talked to the God named Jesus, and Revelation.

The so-called "spiritual death," is just another Christian scare tactic that the Institution made up to control people who join the Institution of Christianity.

When a God stops fellowship with it's created creature, why does it still fellowship with it's created creatures?

God no longer walked and talked with A & E the way He did before they disobeyed.

So in Eph. 2:4-5, when Paul tells his audience they were dead in their sins, and now they are alive in Christ, what kind of DEAD is Paul talking about? We know it's not physical death. So what kind death did these people experience?

 

[Awoon]

Does God fellowship with you? Does He fellowship with any JW?

sure it does

 

[Awoon]

So in Eph. 2:4-5, when Paul tells his audience they were dead in their sins, and now they are alive in Christ, what kind of DEAD is Paul talking about? We know it's not physical death. So what kind death did these people experience?

Why ask me? You made the "spiritual death" statement. Here's another one for you. If ALL scripture is God Breathed, who could hear it if God is Spirit but Humans are dead Spiritually to hear any Spirit? Ask yer Christian leaders or maybe you can figure the answer out for yourself?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The so-called "spiritual death," is just another Christian scare tactic that the Institution made up to control people who join the Institution of Christianity.

When a God stops fellowship with it's created creature, why does it still fellowship with it's created creatures?

Col 2:12-14 (ESVST) . 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Eph 2:3-5 (ESVST) 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ —


Was there a resurrection? Because it says, "you, who "WERE DEAD" in your sins", "even when we "WERE DEAD"

How can he say "WERE DEAD" if they "WERE ALIVE" and there was no resurrection? They weren't physically dead were they? They were spiritually dead!


Eph 2:11-12 (ESVST) 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands — 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

"SPIRITUALLY DEAD"

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Why ask me? You made the "spiritual death" statement. Here's another one for you. If ALL scripture is God Breathed, who could hear it if God is Spirit but Humans are dead Spiritually to hear any Spirit? Ask yer Christian leaders or maybe you can figure the answer out for yourself?

Col 2:12-13 (ESVST) . 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him

Jn 10:26-30 (ESVST) . 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father 's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

 

[Awoon]

Col 2:12-14 (ESVST) . 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Eph 2:3-5 (ESVST) 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ —


Was there a resurrection? Because it says, "you, who "WERE DEAD" in your sins", "even when we "WERE DEAD"

How can he say "WERE DEAD" if they "WERE ALIVE" and there was no resurrection? They weren't physically dead were they? They were spiritually dead!


Eph 2:11-12 (ESVST) 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands — 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

"SPIRITUALLY DEAD"

The Bible writers make up a lot of stories that people read. God in Genesis 3:9 and onward in the Bible talks to Man more then it did before Man died Spiritually. I ask how could it?

 

[Awoon]

Col 2:12-13 (ESVST) . 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him

Jn 10:26-30 (ESVST) . 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father 's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

If you believe Paul then stay dead. Funny but Jesus never talks about any "Spiritual Death." Why do Christian agree with Paul over Jesus?

 

[Nietzsche]

If it was commanded that we use God's name, which is YHWH, not Jehovah. Why did Jesus not command it? Why didn't Jesus even use God's name?

As a bit of a linguist, I should mention that beyond appearances, YHWH and Jehovah are the same word. Written Hebrew has no vowels or capitalization. YHWH and Jehovah are both equally accurate attempts to write out the name of the Hebrew god. And before you say anything about the replacement of Y with J, look at 'Jesus'. A perfectly acceptable way to spell it, but a more accurate way would be Yeshua. In this regard, the Latin letters J and Y are interchangeable.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

As a bit of a linguist, I should mention that beyond appearances, YHWH and Jehovah are the same word. Written Hebrew has no vowels or capitalization. YHWH and Jehovah are both equally accurate attempts to write out the name of the Hebrew god. And before you say anything about the replacement of Y with J, look at 'Jesus'. A perfectly acceptable way to spell it, but a more accurate way would be Yeshua. In this regard, the Latin letters J and Y are interchangeable.

I ask the same question, If it was so important to use God's "personal" name, why didn't Jesus "EVER" use it? He had the perfect chance when He taught them how to pray. But what did "HE" teach them? "OUR FATHER"

 

[savagewind]

I ask the same question, If it was so important to use God's "personal" name, why didn't Jesus "EVER" use it? He had the perfect chance when He taught them how to pray. But what did "HE" teach them? "OUR FATHER"

Good question! Why didn't Jesus teach the use of God's Name?