Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[djhwoodwerks]

"New Light" hasn't caught up with you yet.

I think we now must believe nobody was appointed in 1919. The faithful and discreet slave will appear at the Great Tribulation, or so I have heard.

Nobody has commented yet on my Math. I think 144,000 means all in one place. No?

Good morning SW!

You're probably right, my light of truth hasn't become brighter yet.

I believe they claim the slave was appointed over the domestics in 1919, but won't be appointed over ALL His belongings until after the tribulation.

I don't fully understand the 144,000 yet (no new light). I do wonder how they believe that after 20 centuries, there haven't been enough anointed to fulfill that number!

 

[savagewind]

2 Timothy 3:…12Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them.

Just like Israel asked for an appointed leader the people who sigh and groan over the trouble in the World appoint the governing body, not by vote, but by want. They want a head to organize them and some people are pleased to oblige. The leaders deceive themselves believing that the people who want them are really Jehovah who appoints them. They in turn deceive the people by playing along with the deception.

 

[savagewind]

Good morning SW!

You're probably right, my light of truth hasn't become brighter yet.

I believe they claim the slave was appointed over the domestics in 1919, but won't be appointed over ALL His belongings until after the tribulation.

I don't fully understand the 144,000 yet (no new light). I do wonder how they believe that after 20 centuries, there haven't been enough anointed to fulfill that number!

You need no light to figure out 144,000. It's math. When no plus, or minus sign is present it means the number stands alone. All together. Do you know math?

 

[savagewind]

You need no light to figure out 144,000. It's math. When no plus, or minus sign is present it means the number stands alone. All together. Do you know math?

The number 144,000 exists somewhere all together. They are either ALL on Earth doing God's will here, or they are ALL in Heaven doing whatever heaven does.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

2 Timothy 3:…12Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them.

Just like Israel asked for an appointed leader the people who sigh and groan over the trouble in the World appoint the governing body, not by vote, but by want. They want a head to organize them and some people are pleased to oblige. The leaders deceive themselves believing that the people who want them are really Jehovah who appoints them. They in turn deceive the people by playing along with the deception.

Exactly!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You need no light to figure out 144,000. It's math. When no plus, or minus sign is present it means the number stands alone. All together. Do you know math?

I agree, but who they are and consist of is my search. Unless I'm not reading correctly, it never says the 144,000 are anointed. It's they are sealed and redeemed. But aren't all believers in Christ redeemed (purchased) and sealed with the Holy Spirit?

 

[Pegg]

Quick question...

Are you saved?

I'm not asking if you've received your final reward. I'm asking you if you are saved right now, this very moment.

Saved from what?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Eph 1:12-14 (ESVST) . 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.


Eph 4:29-30 (ESVST) . 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Saved from what?

The second death

 

[savagewind]

I have another one. It's not heavenly light, it is earthly logic 1 Thess 5:3

Whenever they might say "peace and security" that is when sudden destruction becomes set upon them.......

That is not about the end of them. It is about a mark on them. It means that because they believe they have God's favor (peace and security) then if real destruction comes for them it will be sudden or unexpected.

Does anyone see the logic?

They make it about blood, but it is about choice and direction.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Good morning Pegg

 

[Pegg]

Good morning Pegg. I hope you, and everyone else on this forum are doing well.

Really? that is your only thought? You had no thoughts on the question asked.

*** w83 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber?

no, the question didnt arouse a reaction in me. Im sure there are many other bible translations the WT has not quoted from.

 

[Pegg]

Salvation is being reconciled to God. That's what the Scriptures ssy. There is only one thing that separates us from God, and that is SIN.

If we trust and obey, the blood of Jesus washes away our sins, reconciling us to God. Jesus' blood covers our sins. God no longer sees them. We are made new, regenerated, born again. We are PERFECT in the eyes of our God.

I see salvation as a process. I am saved. I am being saved. I will be saved. You will find examples of saved in all three tenses, past, present and future.

When we do as you say, trust and obey Christ, we have been saved (present). As we continue to live and serve Him, we are being saved (present). And finally, on judgement day you will be saved, coming to a full realization of your salvation (future).

If salvation is being reconciled to God, then Yes. Of course. And the onus is on me to keep it that way.

 

[savagewind]

A believer in the salvation by Jesus Christ is supposed to keep seeking it. To believe you have it is to claim peace and security. See?

 

[Pegg]

Good morning Pegg

Good night in my part of the world.

 

[katiemygirl]

I believe they claim the slave was appointed over the domestics in 1919, but won't be appointed over ALL His belongings until after the tribulation.

Compare these two statements from Watchtower, which are five years apart. I'm wondering if Jesus changed His mind?

"There are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class. First and foremost, Jesus has appointed them over all his precious "belongings." This is a clear indication that he has complete trust in them." Organized to Do Jehovah's Will (2005) p.18

Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 pp.22,25 states the Faithful Slave have not been appointed over all Jesus belongings. In 1919, they were appointed over the domestics, but the appointment over all his belongings does not take place until after the Great Tribulation.

The "foremost" reason the Slave was demanding trust no longer exists.

The Governing Body claims that because Jesus has appointed them, they must therefore be trustworthy.

The GB says, "We tell you that Jesus trusts us, so you can trust us." That is circular reasoning at its finest.

 

[savagewind]

I agree, but who they are and consist of is my search. Unless I'm not reading correctly, it never says the 144,000 are anointed. It's they are sealed and redeemed. But aren't all believers in Christ redeemed (purchased) and sealed with the Holy Spirit?

No man is able to count them is a hint that you need not know them personally. I have concluded (though I can change my mind) that 144,000 picture all who are responsible for God's Word. They are not all Christians. In fact, if I am correct, most of them are of Israel and lived serving God before Jesus Christ.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Pegg, is CT Russell considered a prominent figure in the JW's?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

No man is able to count them is a hint that you need not know them personally. I have concluded (though I can change my mind) that 144,000 picture all who are responsible for God's Word. They are not all Christians. In fact, if I am correct, most of them are of Israel.

What is your take on this about the 144,000?

Rev 14:3-4 (ESVST) . 4 It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

A believer in the salvation by Jesus Christ is supposed to keep seeking it. To believe you have it is to claim peace and security. See?

1Jo 5:13 (ESVST) 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.