katiemygirl
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And I am anxious to hear how it goes. Keep us posted.
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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djhwoodwerks
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Good night Pegg
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Pegg, one thing I can't seem to learn from the JW website is that when you or other JW's say "death," as you did in your above statement, do you mean physical or spiritual death? I'm assuming you mean physical death.
No one is saved from physical death in this life, nor was such a thing promised by Jehovah. We all die!
To me, salvation means saved from spiritual death, which is separation from God. We can be spiritually dead in this life (as the majority of people are), and sin is what causes that separation. We can be made alive, forgiven, regenerated and saved, by believing Jesus is the Son of God NOW.
In Titus 3, Paul wrote,
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
Even though we have not yet realized the full benefits of salvation yet (eternal life) we are saved in the sense that 1. We have been washed, cleansed of our sins, through the washing of rebirth (born again), and 2. we have been renewed by the Holy Spirit (a new creation).
Through our faith in Christ, we are reconciled back to God by the blood of Jesus. We must continue to work out our salvation. In other words, we can lose it.
Yes, it is in the world to come, that we will never die. Physical death, sickness and all the misery of this world will be no more. This is why we're told not to store our treasures up on this earth, but in heaven, which is pretty much the same as what Paul wrote to Timothy in the verse you cited above.
djhwoodwerks
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1Co 15:50-52 (ESVST) . 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet
djhwoodwerks
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It says "work out" your salvation, not "work for" your salvation.
Which I think means figure out what you believe.
djhwoodwerks
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Who, what, when and where is the slave??!!??
*** jv chap. 28 p. 626 Testing and Sifting From Within *** Proclaimers Book1993
Many who were sifted out at that time clung to the view that a single individual, Charles Taze Russell, was the “faithful and wise servant” foretold by Jesus at Matthew 24:45-47 (KJ), which servant would distribute spiritual food to the household of faith. Particularly following his death, The Watch Tower itself set forth this view for a number of years. ¬ Was this the truth?
*** jv chap. 10 p. 143 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth *** Proclaimers Book1993
Over a decade later, however, Brother Russell’s wife publicly expressed the idea that Russell himself was the faithful and wise servant. The view that she voiced concerning the identity of the ‘faithful servant’ came to be generally held by the Bible Students for some 30 years. Brother Russell did not reject their view, but he personally avoided making such an application of the text, emphasizing his opposition to the idea of a clergy class commissioned to teach God’s Word in contrast to a lay class that was not thus commissioned. ¬ Did the Spirit fail to direct the Spirit directed organization for 30 years in that it was directed wrongly when it was directed by Russell’s wife?
*** jv chap. 15 p. 218 Development of the Organization Structure *** Proclaimers Book1993
The Watchtower analysis of theocratic organization showed from the Scriptures that Jehovah appointed Jesus Christ “head of the. . . congregation”; that when Christ as the Master returned, he would entrust his “faithful and discreet slave” with responsibility “over all his belongings”; that this faithful and discreet slave was made up of all those on earth who had been anointed with holy spirit to be joint heirs with Christ and who were unitedly serving under his direction; ¬ Was this the truth?
*** w13 7/15 p. 22 par. 10 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***
10 Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. ¬ Or is this the truth?
*** w14 8/15 p. 3 Are You Receiving “Food at the Proper Time”? *** (Notice the title)
Since the appointment of the faithful slave in 1919, millions of “domestics” of all languages have been gathered into God’s organization and are being spiritually fed. ¬ The slave was appointed 3 years after Russell’s death. But, for a number of years the Watchtower “TAUGHT” that Russell was that slave. This new truth wasn’t made because Russell died 3 years earlier, but because the slave “singular” wasn’t just one man.
*** ka chap. 17 p. 346 par. 32 The “Slave” Who Lived to See the “Sign” ***
Since the “slave” of Jesus’ illustration is not just one Christian man but is the anointed congregation of Christ’s disciples, the “faithful and discreet slave” class continued to serve on after the death of C. T. Russell. ¬ 1973 God’s Kingdom Has Approached
*** it-1 p. 806 Faithful and Discreet Slave *** Insight vol.1 1988
“Slave” is in the singular. This, however, does not require that the “slave” prefigure only one particular person who would be so privileged. The Scriptures contain examples of the use of a singular noun to refer to a collective group, such as when Jehovah addressed the collective group of the Israelite nation and told them: “You are my witnesses [plural]. . . . even my servant [singular] whom I have chosen.” (Isa 43:10) The “antichrist” is shown to be a collective group made up of individual antichrists. (1Jo 2:18; 2Jo 7) Similarly, the “slave” is composite. It was to be appointed in the time of the end as a channel to give out spiritual “food at the proper time.”
*** jv chap. 28 p. 626 Testing and Sifting From Within *** Proclaimers Book1993
Many who were sifted out at that time clung to the view that a single individual, Charles Taze Russell, was the “faithful and wise servant” foretold by Jesus at Matthew 24:45-47 (KJ), which servant would distribute spiritual food to the household of faith. Particularly following his death, The Watch Tower itself set forth this view for a number of years. ¬ Was this the truth?
*** jv chap. 10 p. 143 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth *** Proclaimers Book1993
Over a decade later, however, Brother Russell’s wife publicly expressed the idea that Russell himself was the faithful and wise servant. The view that she voiced concerning the identity of the ‘faithful servant’ came to be generally held by the Bible Students for some 30 years. Brother Russell did not reject their view, but he personally avoided making such an application of the text, emphasizing his opposition to the idea of a clergy class commissioned to teach God’s Word in contrast to a lay class that was not thus commissioned. ¬ Did the Spirit fail to direct the Spirit directed organization for 30 years in that it was directed wrongly when it was directed by Russell’s wife?
*** jv chap. 15 p. 218 Development of the Organization Structure *** Proclaimers Book1993
The Watchtower analysis of theocratic organization showed from the Scriptures that Jehovah appointed Jesus Christ “head of the. . . congregation”; that when Christ as the Master returned, he would entrust his “faithful and discreet slave” with responsibility “over all his belongings”; that this faithful and discreet slave was made up of all those on earth who had been anointed with holy spirit to be joint heirs with Christ and who were unitedly serving under his direction; ¬ Was this the truth?
*** w13 7/15 p. 22 par. 10 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***
10 Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. ¬ Or is this the truth?
*** w14 8/15 p. 3 Are You Receiving “Food at the Proper Time”? *** (Notice the title)
Since the appointment of the faithful slave in 1919, millions of “domestics” of all languages have been gathered into God’s organization and are being spiritually fed. ¬ The slave was appointed 3 years after Russell’s death. But, for a number of years the Watchtower “TAUGHT” that Russell was that slave. This new truth wasn’t made because Russell died 3 years earlier, but because the slave “singular” wasn’t just one man.
*** ka chap. 17 p. 346 par. 32 The “Slave” Who Lived to See the “Sign” ***
Since the “slave” of Jesus’ illustration is not just one Christian man but is the anointed congregation of Christ’s disciples, the “faithful and discreet slave” class continued to serve on after the death of C. T. Russell. ¬ 1973 God’s Kingdom Has Approached
*** it-1 p. 806 Faithful and Discreet Slave *** Insight vol.1 1988
“Slave” is in the singular. This, however, does not require that the “slave” prefigure only one particular person who would be so privileged. The Scriptures contain examples of the use of a singular noun to refer to a collective group, such as when Jehovah addressed the collective group of the Israelite nation and told them: “You are my witnesses [plural]. . . . even my servant [singular] whom I have chosen.” (Isa 43:10) The “antichrist” is shown to be a collective group made up of individual antichrists. (1Jo 2:18; 2Jo 7) Similarly, the “slave” is composite. It was to be appointed in the time of the end as a channel to give out spiritual “food at the proper time.”
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Mountain_Climber
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I have to get all their newer stuff of their website.
I would imagine you probably have access to works on that 2014 Cd that are not on their website.
Mountain_Climber
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They are right here on earth taking the heat with the rest of us. They are merely sealed as a guarantee that God won't allow anything here on this earth to permanently harm them.
Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."
The earth = the people in general who of this present earth do not really know God's righteousness or how to walk in it.
The sea = the huge number of wicked people walking this earth loving nothing apart from their own selfishness with which they cause much unrest for all on the earth. (Isaiah 57:20)
The trees = the tall stature of nations and their leaders who stretch there necks in pride as high into heaven, trying to be like God and predict the course of the affairs for the whole earth. (This can include , politicians, commercial forecasters, and religious leaders.)
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Mountain_Climber
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Mountain_Climber
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"All in one place" can mean a spiritual place where they have in effect "met the Lord in the air" to become secured as the chosen ones who represent the kingdom which God gives to this world (the kingdom of God) which rules with Jesus Christ at the helm as the authority of the air rather than Satan being any longer that authority of the air such as is the case at Ephesians 2:2.
djhwoodwerks
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Yes I do. It has everything from 1950 to 2014. , Awake, Watchtower, Books - Proclaimers, Insight vol. 1 & 2, God's Kingdom Has Approached, Peace and Security, Paradise Restored and so much more. It's awesome.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
Isaiah 46:3 "Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:"
Clue: Notice that it is the singular, "the belly", and it is the singular, "the womb", that the true house of Jacob and the remnant of Israel are born to God from.
Pack that clue away for now but don't forget it.
Clue: Notice that it is the singular, "the belly", and it is the singular, "the womb", that the true house of Jacob and the remnant of Israel are born to God from.
Pack that clue away for now but don't forget it.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
I am a bit jealous.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Yes! Anyone who is alive when Jesus comes will be changed from a mortal body to immortal , and it will happen in a split second.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Abdolutely! Work OUT, not Work FOR.
I think it is more to do with keeping yourself on the straight and narrow path rather than the broad way of destruction. But that's jmho!
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
I did 30 minutes at a good clip on the tread mill and 15 on the bike this morning. I would rather be outdoors, but it's too hot in Florida now. I'll go back outdoors come October when things cool down.Pleasantly rewarding.
All things came together as I had hoped.
djhwoodwerks
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
MC, Is all what you wrote above what you believe to be facts?
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
ALL will be changed from a mortal body to an immortal one.
The verse does say, "we shall not all sleep." I guess one could say that all the people alive when Jesus comes won't die, but will be changed.
I do see your point.
However, the Hebrews author wrote,
"It is appointed unto men once to die, then comes judgement." Hebrews 9:27
So according to that verse, all will die.
So that split second change from mortal to immortal could be considered death if we are to harmonize both passages.
Something to think on.
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This which I underlined? That is what I was saying and you said I was being "argumentative for the sake of argument".
You said you were saved, are saved, and will be saved. NOW you say, "WE [which includes you] can lose it". That is what I was saying. And now you agree with me??????