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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
If fizzling out means Gods Spirit wasn't upon them, then how can you say Christians who've proclaimed Jesus as God and a Trinity don't have God with them and there message if they haven't fizzled out for over 1,900 years?
That is a pretty long time and it doesn't look like that message of truth is stopping anytime soon. Remember the Pharisee told the others about Peter and the apostles teaching in Acts 5:38-39:
"Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."
The Truth that Jesus is God and there is a Trinity hasn't stopped for 1,900 years and has continued to grow for millennia because it's found throughout scripture. You'd think if the Watchtower has the truth that God wouldn't allow a false gospel to be preached sending people to hell for 1,900 years. So why didnt the so called discreet slave come earlier instead of 1,900 later where God Supposedly didn't have a witness for 2 millennia?
Which is more plausible, that God let a false gospel bd the main gospel preached around the world for thousands of years and didn't have a witness for 1,900 years. Or that it was the Truth and a sect that came 1,900 years later distorted the gospel to bake it say something it doesn't?

C'mon, the catholic church is in decline... so many catholics yet so few practicing ones. How many catholic or roman catholic or greek orthordox or any other of the major denominations have active preachers? And how many of those churchs are united? When a war occurs in one country, the church in that country support it, and the same church in the opposing country support it too. How much corruption is in those churches...the vatican itself is accused of being a mafia run organisation for goodness sake. Poisoned popes and conspiriacies, pregnant nuns... its not a place that we could even conceive Gods spirit would be.

Did you never read the parable of the sower and the weeds? It was a prophecy about what would happen to the christian congregation.

Matt13: 24 He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26 When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27 So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’+ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Some teachings of the Rutherford era were later altered by those who came after him...things have always been changing. We dont even have a single director today as they did in the past....does that mean that we have apostatized from them?

Not at all. It means our organsiation and its leading men are willing to submit to newer understandings and better ways of doing things. Its a progressive organisation. Its not stagnant like the churches who are still stuck in the dark ages with their stubborn traditions, old ideas and stale ruling elite. I believe our organsiation is led by holy spirit...i believe it follows that leading which is why it changes and improves along the way.
God doesn't change Pegg. Neither does His word. I take great comfort in knowing my congregation has never changed its teachings. You see, when you get it right the first time, there is no need for change.

How can you call living according to God's word being stagnant? Really?

I left catholicism for the exact reasons you stay with the JW's, "newer understandings and better ways of doing things."

Ask any old catholic how they feel about their ever changing religious teachings. It erodes trust.

It's going to be interesting to see what congregations of the Lord will take a stance against gay marriage. If Watchtower embraces gay marriage couples in the future, would you stay with them?

Still waiting for you to answer my question about your "spirit directed organization." Wondering how many more times I will have to post it.
 

JFish123

Active Member
Some teachings of the Rutherford era were later altered by those who came after him...things have always been changing. We dont even have a single director today as they did in the past....does that mean that we have apostatized from them?

Not at all. It means our organsiation and its leading men are willing to submit to newer understandings and better ways of doing things. Its a progressive organisation. Its not stagnant like the churches who are still stuck in the dark ages with their stubborn traditions, old ideas and stale ruling elite. I believe our organsiation is led by holy spirit...i believe it follows that leading which is why it changes and improves along the way.
But this "progressive understanding" can kill. Think of all the children and people who died because the Watchtower for 20 years taught vaccinations were wrong. How about the people who died when the Watchtower said organ transplants were wrong for 13 years? How about all the people dying today because of there unscriptural law saying blood transfusions are like eating blood and therefor evil? The Watchtowers "progressive understanding" kills people. And sadly even more then that, there understanding about Jesus will prohibit many from entering Paradise.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
How about answering my question first? I posted it to you on Thursday.

You posted the following quote from WT.

WT 2004 May 1st Page 11 pg 14 -15

14 How does Jehovah speak to us? Consider Jeremiah again. Since Jeremiah was a prophet, Jehovah communicated directly with him. Jeremiah describes the effect of God’s words on his heart: “Your words were found, and I proceeded to eat them; and your word becomes to me the exultation and the rejoicing of my heart; for your name has been called upon me, O Jehovah God of armies.” (Jeremiah 15:16) Yes, Jeremiah delighted in the fact that God’s name had been called upon him, and His words were precious to the prophet. Hence, like the apostle Paul, Jeremiah was eager to declare the message entrusted to him.—Romans 1:15, 16.

15 Jehovah does not communicate directly with anyone today. However, we do have God’s words in the pages of the Bible. Hence, if we have a serious approach to our study of the Bible and meditate deeply on what we learn, God’s words will become “the exultation and the rejoicing” of our heart too.

1. Watchtower - "God does not communicate directly with any one today."

2. Watchtower - "We are God's only spirit directed organization."

So which is it?

That is why I asked you what you think it means to be spirit directed. If you know what it means, you will understand how the GB are spirit directed.

And the answer above is 2. The WT are the only spirit directed organisation.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
It's going to be interesting to see what congregations of the Lord will take a stance against gay marriage. If Watchtower embraces gay marriage couples in the future, would you stay with them?

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They will never do that because the WT is spirit directed. ;)
 

JFish123

Active Member
C'mon, the catholic church is in decline... so many catholics yet so few practicing ones. How many catholic or roman catholic or greek orthordox or any other of the major denominations have active preachers? And how many of those churchs are united? When a war occurs in one country, the church in that country support it, and the same church in the opposing country support it too. How much corruption is in those churches...the vatican itself is accused of being a mafia run organisation for goodness sake. Poisoned popes and conspiriacies, pregnant nuns... its not a place that we could even conceive Gods spirit would be.

Did you never read the parable of the sower and the weeds? It was a prophecy about what would happen to the christian congregation.

Matt13: 24 He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26 When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27 So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’+ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”
Yes indeed. Weeds like hypocrites who are only Christian by name only, as well as those who preach a false gospel along with those who believe in that false gospel. So the question remains, are you believing in that false gospel. An organization that is known to make many false prophecies. And who has been proven to distort scripture. You have to be very careful what or who you call weeds. Because it will be measured to you double as Jesus said
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
But this "progressive understanding" can kill. Think of all the children and people who died because the Watchtower for 20 years taught vaccinations were wrong. How about the people who died when the Watchtower said organ transplants were wrong for 13 years? How about all the people dying today because of there unscriptural law saying blood transfusions are like eating blood and therefor evil? The Watchtowers "progressive understanding" kills people. And sadly even more then that, there understanding about Jesus will prohibit many from entering Paradise.

I dont know if they did teach that vaccinations were wrong. I know about the blood issue and we have it as an issue because Gods law requires that we 'abstain from blood'
His law has been that way from the time of Noah when he told Noah that the blood of the animals must not be eaten. So if you want to take blood in disobedience to Gods law, then do so. But we are following Gods law on the matter and abstaining. If a person dies because of obedience to Gods law, they will have life.
Mark 8;35 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it.+36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life?*+37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life?
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
They will never do that because the WT is spirit directed. ;)
Don't bet on it Pegg.

It's all about the numbers. If Watchtower wants the $$$ from the L & G community, the light will get brighter.

I see it happening already with other denoms. It's just a matter of time.

If Watchtower embraces them, would you stay with the org.? Be honest.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
I dont know if they did teach that vaccinations were wrong. I know about the blood issue and we have it as an issue because Gods law requires that we 'abstain from blood'
His law has been that way from the time of Noah when he told Noah that the blood of the animals must not be eaten. So if you want to take blood in disobedience to Gods law, then do so. But we are following Gods law on the matter and abstaining. If a person dies because of obedience to Gods law, they will have life.
Mark 8;35 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it.+36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life?*+37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life?
Hey Pegg, Could you post for me what you consider to be the gospel of the kingdom?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Yes indeed. Weeds like hypocrites who are only Christian by name only, as well as those who preach a false gospel along with those who believe in that false gospel. So the question remains, are you believing in that false gospel. An organization that is known to make many false prophecies. And who has been proven to distort scripture. You have to be very careful what or who you call weeds. Because it will be measured to you double as Jesus said

I know our organsiation is clean when it comes to adherence to Gods high moral standards. I know we dont go to war or support the worlds governments wars. I know all our members are active preachers and proclaimers of Gods Word and they are doing what Christ wants them to do. I know that spirit is directing our organisation.
 

JFish123

Active Member
That is why I asked you what you think it means to be spirit directed. If you know what it means, you will understand how the GB are spirit directed.

And the answer above is 2. The WT are the only spirit directed organisation.
If they are led by the Spirit they sure don't listen to Him very much with all there changing of theology. Worshipping Jesus, not worshipping Jesus, vaccinations are bad, no there ok, organ transplants are bad because of scriptural support, then organ transplants are ok, the end of human civilization will come in 1975, it didn't. They have a very bad track record when it comes to being "led by the Spirit" even for imperfect beings. I mean worshipping Jesus or not is a pretty big one they "supposedly" got wrong for 60 years.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Don't bet on it Pegg.

It's all about the numbers. If Watchtower wants the $$$ from the L & G community, the light will get brighter.

I see it happening already with other denoms. It's just a matter of time.

If Watchtower embraces them, would you stay with the org.? Be honest.

That will never happen.

We disfellowship approx 60,000 people every year for immorality. There is no way our GB will change Gods moral laws. We are not even permitted to smoke cigarettes....you really think that they will permit homosexuality??? its not going to happen. Our GB is spirit directed. As you said, the bible hasnt changed and nor have Gods moral standards.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Some teachings of the Rutherford era were later altered by those who came after him...things have always been changing. We dont even have a single director today as they did in the past....does that mean that we have apostatized from them?

Not at all. It means our organsiation and its leading men are willing to submit to newer understandings and better ways of doing things. Its a progressive organisation. Its not stagnant like the churches who are still stuck in the dark ages with their stubborn traditions, old ideas and stale ruling elite. I believe our organsiation is led by holy spirit...i believe it follows that leading which is why it changes and improves along the way.
But if The End does not come for many years then the JWs will become just like them "with their stubborn traditions, old ideas and stale ruling elite".
 

JFish123

Active Member
I dont know if they did teach that vaccinations were wrong. I know about the blood issue and we have it as an issue because Gods law requires that we 'abstain from blood'
His law has been that way from the time of Noah when he told Noah that the blood of the animals must not be eaten. So if you want to take blood in disobedience to Gods law, then do so. But we are following Gods law on the matter and abstaining. If a person dies because of obedience to Gods law, they will have life.
Mark 8;35 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it.+36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life?*+37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life?
The Watchtower has had a very bad track record regarding changing it's position on medical issues. Take vaccinations for example. The Golden Age Magazine (1931) said that a "vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood." Vaccinations were hence forbidden by the Watchtower Society for 20 years. However the Watchtower dropped it's prohibition in the 1950's. The Augusts issue in 1965 of 'Awake' magazine even acknowledged that vaccinations seem to have caused decrease in diseases. One must wonder how the parents of children who died as a result of NOT being vaccinated felt when the Watchtower Society suddenly reversed it view.
In his excellent book "Scripture Twisting", James Sire tells that the attempt to ban blood transfusions based in Genesis 9:4 and other such passages is a clear example of distortion of scripture." Indeed as he rightly points out that, "a transfusion replenishes the supply of essential, life sustaining fluid that has otherwise drained away or become incapable of performing it's vital tasks in the body. A blood transfusion is not even equivalent to intravenous feeding because the blood so given does NOT function AS FOOD."
Walter Martins agrees, commenting, "when one gives a transfusion, it is not a sacrifice of life, and the eating of forbidden blood, but a Transference of Life from one person to another, a Gift of Strength offered in a Spirit of Mercy and Charity (which is Love)."
Giving blood by transfusion is not 'feeding' as the blood is NOT received into the body as food. Eating is a literal taking in food in the normal manner through the mouth and into the digestive system.
And one final point. In the context of Genesis 9, it is the eating of animal blood that is prohibited, not the transfusion of human blood.
As Walter Martin and Norman Klann have observed:
"This verse, as it appears in Context, has not the remotest connection with human blood, much less blood transfusions. In the previous verse of the same chapter, Jehovah clearly tells Noah that He is speaking on reference to animals and THEIR flesh and that he should not eat THEIR blood. God told Noah that animal flesh was food with but one provision-that he eat not of the blood." Hence this verse does not prohibit the transfusion of human blood.
Sadly again, the Watchtower uses it's position to ban things that have no biblical vases to be banned and therefor a man made tradition just like the Pharisees in Jesus day. As always, please look into these things more for your soul is at stake. Thanks and as always, God Bless.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
I dont know if they did teach that vaccinations were wrong. I know about the blood issue and we have it as an issue because Gods law requires that we 'abstain from blood'
His law has been that way from the time of Noah when he told Noah that the blood of the animals must not be eaten. So if you want to take blood in disobedience to Gods law, then do so. But we are following Gods law on the matter and abstaining. If a person dies because of obedience to Gods law, they will have life.
Mark 8;35 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it.+36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life?*+37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life?


Gal 3:11-13 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us.


Rom 6:12-15 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
I've come to realize that JW's pick and choose which of God's laws they keep. Or more accurate, which ones support their doctrine. The gentleman I study with swears by "Thou shall not kill" but claims that "keep the Sabbath holy" means nothing to Christians. How can one of God's commandants mean something and another one mean nothing?
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
Some teachings of the Rutherford era were later altered by those who came after him...things have always been changing. We dont even have a single director today as they did in the past....does that mean that we have apostatized from them? Not at all. It means our organsiation and its leading men are willing to submit to newer understandings and better ways of doing things. Its a progressive organisation.

Christian church leaders start their own church and you call it "apostasy". Mr. Rutherford starts his own church and you call it "progressive understanding". If you were American, I'd say ditch religion and jump into our Presidential race. :)

Its not stagnant like the churches who are still stuck in the dark ages with their stubborn traditions, old ideas and stale ruling elite.

So every single Christian sect is stuck in the dark ages and has stubborn traditions, old ideas, and stale ruling elite? That would presume you know the beliefs of each one? It's unfortunate you won't even see through this irrational and illogical way of thinking.

I believe our organsiation is led by holy spirit...i believe it follows that leading which is why it changes and improves along the way.

Im glad you feel that way. I'm sure many of Christ followers feel the same way.
 

Mountain_Climber

Active Member
There was no quote or post attached to your comment. Here's what you wrote.

"Is that another flawless opinion, positively spoken by the spirit?"

I asked who you were addressing it to.
There was, but you have that user (or, had that user) blocked so that you were not seeing their posts, which obviously includes quotes from them in people's comments.

I was replying to savagewind.but evidently you have her on block.
 

Mountain_Climber

Active Member
I dont know if they did teach that vaccinations were wrong. I know about the blood issue and we have it as an issue because Gods law requires that we 'abstain from blood'
His law has been that way from the time of Noah when he told Noah that the blood of the animals must not be eaten. So if you want to take blood in disobedience to Gods law, then do so. But we are following Gods law on the matter and abstaining. If a person dies because of obedience to Gods law, they will have life.
Mark 8;35 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it.+36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life?*+37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life?
Frankly, I feel like there may be a correlation to cannibalism and organ transplant,

I just don't believe it shows a complete trust in God, if not to heal us now then to resurrect us.

Even so, I advocate that it is a conscience matter.
 
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