We need to have an honest discussion about race in America

[Kfox]

I 100% agree with you on this answer Kfox.

But if you look back, I did not ask that question and the reason for not having done so, is that IMO there is no question about the “should” in regards to this matter.

The problem lays in the “does”. Because in practice, nor laws, rules or rights apply the same to different people and a very big part of that is this insane concept of “race”.

So your solution is to stick your head in the sand and pretend race does not exist?

If you cannot see that or think it irrelevant, then my humble guess is that you happen to be considered “white”.

Why would you assume only a white person could have my opinion? Are you under the impression all black people think alike? That only white people are capable of diverse thought?

 

[Kfox]

So you agree that race is merely political then.

I don't think it is strictly political, I just recognize it is not based on biology

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Back in the early 1900's Abdul'baha travelled America talking of how to reconcile race relations.

He shared thoughts such as this from Baha'u'llah,

"… That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled — what harm is there in this? … Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the 'Most Great Peace' shall come.… Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind."

Regards Tony

 

[Stevicus]

Did I say that? I don't like they klan but lets face facts. Gays don't like they klan and the klan doesn't like gays.

Not sure about the Klan itself, but haven't there been some neo-nazi or white supremacist types who were openly gay and accepted by their organizations?

 

[We Never Know]

You're still using a bad and informed argument to try to say being gay is harmful. Conservative Christians used that same arguement to say gay marriage should be illegal and our kids must be protected from it. But it's missing the part it isn't being gay, it's having lots of unprotected sex with a bunch of different partners. Gay or straight, that's a good way to catch STIs.

"having lots of unprotected sex with a bunch of different partners"
That kinda goes for unwanted pregnacy's too.

Again I'm not christian. Why do you keep referring to "christians do this and or that".
Do you not think people in general can be that way?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"having lots of unprotected sex with a bunch of different partners"
That kinda goes for unwanted pregnacy's too.

Again I'm not christian. Why do you keep referring to "christians do this and or that".
Do you not think people in general can be that way?

Because it's the same exact argument they've been using to demonize gays. The fruit you reach for is that low hanging, and suitable only for those with that level of ignorance about sex.

 

[We Never Know]

Even California has racism. For the most part it does tend to be more subtle than in places like Indiana, but there's still more overt racism here.
In Indiana, it's very racist amd I'd get frequent warnings about staying out of the black part of town, told I need to be careful where they "have black people," lots of people telling me how black people are and that we should still be able to own them, and where I lived is bizarrely proud of its Klan history. People don't keep it to themselves there and will openly air it.

Did anyone warn you about the klan.

Scenario...

Black person goes into white neighbourhood gets chased and beaten.

White person goes into black neighbourhood, gets chased and beaten.

Only one is seen as racist and a hate crime. Thats a major problem.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Back in the early 1990's Abdul'baha travelled America talking of how to reconcile race relations.

He shared thoughts such as this from Baha'u'llah,

"… That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled — what harm is there in this? … Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the 'Most Great Peace' shall come.… Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind."

Regards Tony

He clearly didn't do that, at least not during the 90s because he died 1921, about an entire lifespan before the 90s.
How can this religion unite us when it puts its prophets in impossible times and impossible meetings with people they could never have met or done?

 

[We Never Know]

Because it's the same exact argument they've been using to demonize gays. The fruit you reach for is that low hanging, and suitable only for those with that level of ignorance about sex.

So does one have to be a "christian" to think that way?

If not why can't you just say "some people"?

 

[We Never Know]

Not sure about the Klan itself, but haven't there been some neo-nazi or white supremacist types who were openly gay and accepted by their organizations?

I don't know.

 

[Kfox]

Back in the early 1990's Abdul'baha travelled America talking of how to reconcile race relations.

He shared thoughts such as this from Baha'u'llah,

"… That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled — what harm is there in this? …

I see harm in this idea that all nations should become one in faith. What are you willing to do to accomplish this goal?

 

[We Never Know]

Back in the early 1990's Abdul'baha travelled America talking of how to reconcile race relations.

He shared thoughts such as this from Baha'u'llah,

"… That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled — what harm is there in this? … Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the 'Most Great Peace' shall come.… Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind."

Regards Tony

Do you mean 1890's?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Did anyone warn you about the klan.

Scenario...

Black person goes into white neighbourhood gets chased and beaten.

White person goes into black neighbourhood, gets chased and beaten.

Only one is seen as racist and a hate crime. Thats a major problem.

I have never been beaten or even felt threatened in black neighborhoods. But I used to live around those who would openly and freely speak their racism without fear of repercussion.
And it depends on who you ask if the second is racism or not. According to just about everyone save for SJWs racism is racism and blacks can be just as racist as whites. And there's a study showing no one likes the PC/SJW rhetoric. Most Americans are an "exhausted majority" who is tired of the hair splitting, double standards, and bickering over words.
Americans Strongly Dislike PC Culture

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

So your solution is to stick your head in the sand and pretend race does not exist?

Race exists, yes - and the human race is one. Then, there’s an incorrect notion about there being different races within the human race; that notion is false and instead of “hiding head in sand” as you think I’d be willing to do, we’d do best to correct those who still think there are different human races and educate people adequately in school, so that when/if they encounter such statements, they do correct them.

Why would you assume only a white person could have my opinion? Are you under the impression all black people think alike? That only white people are capable of diverse thought?

Because whiles people who are considered white (of any sociological background you can think of) can and do learn to spot and understand racism, there is no one not considered white who can be blind to the existence and crucial impact that racism has in the world.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

He clearly didn't do that, at least not during the 90s because he died 1921, about an entire lifespan before the 90s.
How can this religion unite us when it puts its prophets in impossible times and impossible meetings with people they could never have met or done?

1900's, big fingers small phone.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I see harm in this idea that all nations should become one in faith. What are you willing to do to accomplish this goal?

Change my own self to be world embracing, to have a love of all people, to be a world citizen, free of predudices.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Do you mean 1890's?

1900's, sorry big fingers small phone.

Abdul'baha did two trips to America and gave race relations and peace talks across the entire nation. They were reported in the press across America and even made the papers in Europe and Australia.

There are many stories recorded of those meetings, where Abdul'baha demonstrated what it was to love each, to remove the barriers of race predudices, status and class.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Race exists, yes - and the human race is one. Then, there’s an incorrect notion about there being different races within the human race; that notion is false and instead of “hiding head in sand” as you think I’d be willing to do, we’d do best to correct those who still think there are different human races and educate people adequately in school, so that when/if they encounter such statements, they do correct them.

We are the flowers of one garden.

Regards Tony

 

[Kfox]

Race exists, yes - and the human race is one.

I'm not talking about the Human race. Okay; if you don't wanna call it breed, if you don't wanna call it race, what do you want to call it? All mammals have these distinctions; and like it or not, humans are mammals. So what do you want to call these distinctions? Do you just want to pretend they don't exist? Because in the real world they do and always will exist.

Because whiles people who are considered white (of any sociological background you can think of) can and do learn to spot and understand racism, there is no one not considered white who can be blind to the existence and crucial impact that racism has in the world.

Do you not see how racist your words are?

 

[Kenny]

Sounds like your wife's family is biracial. Your example does not refute my point.

Actually, I think we just differ in perspectives and applications. You see it as race, I see it as just differences in appearance. Like green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes, hazel eyes... they are all eyes.

You don't really have "appearance divides" but what you do have is racial divides.