Just_me_Mike
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There is plenty in the bible to suggest the number 7 most often represents the "perfect fulfillment of God's purpose".
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What about the 7-day creation story?
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That in my opinion is correct.
But you know, there are another 6 days. So, how are they woven into the mix?
Blessings, AJ
ThereIsNoSpoon
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I already told you. 7 days is a week. Thats it.
Just_me_Mike
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You shouldn't limit the number 7 to just the concept of days. It is used other ways as well.
The bible states: 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
So we are looking at God's use of one day as like a thousand years.
Also, there are scriptures that give us clues to God's use of numbers multiplied.
Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
For example: the twelve Apostles followed Jesus everywhere He went.
Where else do we find a similar description?
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
There are others but this one is especially interesting.
"A new Song" is definitely not old testament material.
"The throne" is the kingdom of God with us (Jesus)
"before the four beasts" is Jesus' four characteristics and representative of the four courts Jesus was tried in, as in the four corners of the earth giving indication that the world was covered.
"The Elders" are the very ones who were designated by God to make the sacrificial offering of Jesus.
"no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, is 12 x12x1000 = 144,000.
Code for the 12 Apostles who after Pentecost learned the new Song.
And finally: "which were redeemed from the earth. meaning the 12 selected from all humanity to become the 12 Apostles.
So, in code, the 144,000 were the redeemed (Taken from among men) to follow Jesus (lamb) were ever He went as like a wall around Jesus.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The wall around Jesus falls: Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
The point here is that Jesus alone, without the wall of Apostles, and followers, had to go at ransoming Humanity single handily, alone, for only God alone can save mankind.
Even the Father turns His face away from Jesus as an indication that Jesus is the sole sacrifice for all mankind.
That's getting deep and not many can see through what I am saying.
But numbers are important of which 7 is key in understanding how God in Jesus recreated the new heavens and the new earth in one day, verses 7.
Blessings, AJ
If we look at the 7-day creation story as a picture rather than an actual day/hr literal rendering, we will see that God's creation is explained in picture form, giving us a picture how He created all things.
The 7 day period is a system of accounting used in earth time we can understasnd.
His point is to give us a perspective, we can relate to in learning all about Him.
All spiritual understandings are given and hidden in using earth forms, meaning stories, visions, numbers, objects of things in heaven, earth and under the sea.
Those things we can relate to because we can actually see.
The problem is when the spiritual message is hidden within those things, can it be only understood via the Holy Spirits revelations.
Up and until Jesus came, God's spirit rested on a selected few: prophets, kings and special messengers.
We can look at that that time span, as the first picture of the seven day creation story.
The first picture brought in the following information in four distinct points:
1.Creation = The beginnings, the origins of all that we see that is "intime".
2. Fall = The first parents given life and the ability to be as like god by knowing good and evil. Which makes us a separate entity from God.
3. Judgment = Judgment is as a result of the separation above #2. resulting in death.
This was a required default design in order for God to grant us the ability to think and reason.
4. Punishment = Death of the spirit in mankind because of #2 above as judged by #3 above.
That is the picture of the conditions by which God operates in the realm of mankind.
We can conclude based on those conditions again being met in Jesus.
If Adam, being the picture of the first human being, brought life in the flesh and death, we can see that this condition is tainted and in need of revising, if mankind is to be saved.
That brings us to the second 7-day creation picture which is a picture of a second type of Adam.
Jesus is a second type of Adam of whose offspring are spiritual.
In order for Jesus to save the first creation He must take it and pay for it in full.
Paying for it in full required Jesus to redo the first 7-day creation picture, and all that it consisted of, and redo it all in one day.
So here is the second 7-day recreation picture as done in one day by God in Jesus.
Using the same four points above:
1. Creation = introduction of Jesus into the world (Time 6pm sundown to 12 midnight, Last supper)
2. Fall = Is Jesus taking the sins of the world on His shoulders (12 midnight to 6am sunrise) Jesus at the garden accepting the cup of God's wrath.
3. Judgment =(6am sunrise to 12 noon) Jesus arrested, taken before 4 courts and judged.
4. Punishment = (12 Noon to 6pm sundown) Jesus is persecuted and nailed to the cross.
Those same four points are the same as in the beginning of mankind, resulting in death while the second set of the same four points Jesus fulfill all requirements for mankind, making of the old, a new heavens and a new earth.
Which means that heaven of old and the hell of old, whose doors were shut, are now opened by Jesus.
There are scriptures to support all that I said, but this one scripture gives us the biggest clue:Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,..
Here we see God doing all the works of salvation.
Blessings, AJ
The 7 day period is a system of accounting used in earth time we can understasnd.
His point is to give us a perspective, we can relate to in learning all about Him.
All spiritual understandings are given and hidden in using earth forms, meaning stories, visions, numbers, objects of things in heaven, earth and under the sea.
Those things we can relate to because we can actually see.
The problem is when the spiritual message is hidden within those things, can it be only understood via the Holy Spirits revelations.
Up and until Jesus came, God's spirit rested on a selected few: prophets, kings and special messengers.
We can look at that that time span, as the first picture of the seven day creation story.
The first picture brought in the following information in four distinct points:
1.Creation = The beginnings, the origins of all that we see that is "intime".
2. Fall = The first parents given life and the ability to be as like god by knowing good and evil. Which makes us a separate entity from God.
3. Judgment = Judgment is as a result of the separation above #2. resulting in death.
This was a required default design in order for God to grant us the ability to think and reason.
4. Punishment = Death of the spirit in mankind because of #2 above as judged by #3 above.
That is the picture of the conditions by which God operates in the realm of mankind.
We can conclude based on those conditions again being met in Jesus.
If Adam, being the picture of the first human being, brought life in the flesh and death, we can see that this condition is tainted and in need of revising, if mankind is to be saved.
That brings us to the second 7-day creation picture which is a picture of a second type of Adam.
Jesus is a second type of Adam of whose offspring are spiritual.
In order for Jesus to save the first creation He must take it and pay for it in full.
Paying for it in full required Jesus to redo the first 7-day creation picture, and all that it consisted of, and redo it all in one day.
So here is the second 7-day recreation picture as done in one day by God in Jesus.
Using the same four points above:
1. Creation = introduction of Jesus into the world (Time 6pm sundown to 12 midnight, Last supper)
2. Fall = Is Jesus taking the sins of the world on His shoulders (12 midnight to 6am sunrise) Jesus at the garden accepting the cup of God's wrath.
3. Judgment =(6am sunrise to 12 noon) Jesus arrested, taken before 4 courts and judged.
4. Punishment = (12 Noon to 6pm sundown) Jesus is persecuted and nailed to the cross.
Those same four points are the same as in the beginning of mankind, resulting in death while the second set of the same four points Jesus fulfill all requirements for mankind, making of the old, a new heavens and a new earth.
Which means that heaven of old and the hell of old, whose doors were shut, are now opened by Jesus.
There are scriptures to support all that I said, but this one scripture gives us the biggest clue:Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,..
Here we see God doing all the works of salvation.
Blessings, AJ
If we take a few clues, say the four beasts with six wings, and the two witnesses, and the 24 elders, along with the number 7, we can begin to see the picture I mentioned about in my last post.
In order for God to recreate the new heavens and the new earth, (Let me explain what "new" means here, and that is that heavens are now opened, and hell's gates holds no prisoners) God had to do it in one 24 hour day.
The 24 elders is a picture of a 24 hour day,(one full day picture) the two witnesses are the Old/New or the same 24 hour day divided in two 12 hour periods, the four beasts with six wings is the same day divided into 4-6 hour periods.
"That day" Ref:2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
Getting back to the 24 hour day, we can now count the 7 days within that 24 hour period.
1,2,3,4th day are the picture of the four beasts with six wings.
5th & 6th days are the 2 witnesses
7th day is the the picture of the whole day, the completion day, the day Jesus rested from all His works.
There you have 3 pictures of 1 day, "That Day" of the 7 day recreation works of Christ as He gives us rest from our own attempts at good works for salvation.
The book of Revelation is then about those works of Christ in "That Day".
It is the day we, individually, when we come to the saving knowledge of Jesus' righteous works for our salvation, be it now, or later, we can quote this verse:
Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
The day you receive Jesus, though thousand years pass, is "the Day" of the rest of your life, for there in is no death.
Blessings, AJ
In order for God to recreate the new heavens and the new earth, (Let me explain what "new" means here, and that is that heavens are now opened, and hell's gates holds no prisoners) God had to do it in one 24 hour day.
The 24 elders is a picture of a 24 hour day,(one full day picture) the two witnesses are the Old/New or the same 24 hour day divided in two 12 hour periods, the four beasts with six wings is the same day divided into 4-6 hour periods.
"That day" Ref:2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
Getting back to the 24 hour day, we can now count the 7 days within that 24 hour period.
1,2,3,4th day are the picture of the four beasts with six wings.
5th & 6th days are the 2 witnesses
7th day is the the picture of the whole day, the completion day, the day Jesus rested from all His works.
There you have 3 pictures of 1 day, "That Day" of the 7 day recreation works of Christ as He gives us rest from our own attempts at good works for salvation.
The book of Revelation is then about those works of Christ in "That Day".
It is the day we, individually, when we come to the saving knowledge of Jesus' righteous works for our salvation, be it now, or later, we can quote this verse:
Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
The day you receive Jesus, though thousand years pass, is "the Day" of the rest of your life, for there in is no death.
Blessings, AJ
If we look at the story of Job which, by the way is a figure or picture of Christ.
Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
Why seven sons and 3 daughters? Meaning that all 7 sons are to be visited in 3 distinct pictures.
Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she *****, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
We have again the 7 divided by 3, or visited three different ways while the substance binding on those 7 are 5 + 5 = 10 Commandments.
In other words, the chosen were under the law and must be covered by the father in prayers and supplication.
Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
Here is the actual visitation picture in 3 different ways.
Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Job then sanctifies them, meaning sets them apart to offer burnt offerings in their behalf, according to them ALL, in order to hold them chased before God.
Here we see the same 3 pictures of the one 7 day picture of God in Jesus covering all the 7 day creation inhabitants, under grace continually, recreated in one picture day.
I may not have explained it clearly enough, but if you have any questions on it, feel free to ask or comment on.
Blessings, AJ
Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
Why seven sons and 3 daughters? Meaning that all 7 sons are to be visited in 3 distinct pictures.
Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she *****, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
We have again the 7 divided by 3, or visited three different ways while the substance binding on those 7 are 5 + 5 = 10 Commandments.
In other words, the chosen were under the law and must be covered by the father in prayers and supplication.
Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
Here is the actual visitation picture in 3 different ways.
Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Job then sanctifies them, meaning sets them apart to offer burnt offerings in their behalf, according to them ALL, in order to hold them chased before God.
Here we see the same 3 pictures of the one 7 day picture of God in Jesus covering all the 7 day creation inhabitants, under grace continually, recreated in one picture day.
I may not have explained it clearly enough, but if you have any questions on it, feel free to ask or comment on.
Blessings, AJ
If God painted a picture and in this picture He explains all His works, could we see how that is done?
First of all, let me quote one scripture:Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Mar 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the **** crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
The picture is painted with doubling of things.
For example: Now this is not written but extrapolated from scripture:
Adam is one, a similitude of Adam is Jesus, two, and the new Adam, three, a similitude of the second and first, but this time a spiritual Adam that will live forever.
You see the doubling? First Adam, is the creation of the flesh with a penalty of death.
The second similitude of Adam is a quickening spirit, resulting in life.
God brings it to pass at Calvary on the second and the third is the resultant.
That doubled and the third is the new creature, the new Adam, a spiritual creature with life.
The dream to Pharaoh was doubled twice before it came to pass.
Does that make you think that perhaps there is more depth to God's word than we know, "yet man perceiveth it not" it?
Getting back to the picture, God paints a picture of one particular day in all time.
Can you guess which day that is?
Yes, your right, the day Jesus was crucified.
Let's see, what can we gather about that day?
Well, we find some clues here and there and throughout the whole bible.
But for now lets look at this verse: Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Let me explain the obvious in that scripture: First; Notice the 3 Holies, a doubling?
Second; was, is, and to come is also a doubling?
A coincidence?
The next thing to notice is day and night, not resting until the third day?
A new day, you suppose, after the day and the night? Hmmm?
Now, lets look at the following, quote: "four beasts had each of them six wings".
Is that a literal thing or is it symbolism?
If symbolism, what exactly does it mean?
Well, we are talking about a day right, a 24 hour day?
If you take that day and divided it into four equal parts, what do you get?
Four 6 hour periods? Getting the picture? Four beasts with six wings?
Remember, that we are working with a picture of "A"day, the day Jesus died.
So, we then divide the day into four equal parts and this is what we get.
1. (Introduction) 6pm sundown (the eve of the next day)to midnight, Jesus introductes or tells His apostles at the Last Supper, things that must shortly come to pass.
Then He goes from there to the garden at midnight.
2. (The Fall)At the Garden, midnight 12pm to 6am sunrise ; Jesus accepts the will of the Father, meaning the cup of wrath, and Himself becoming all sin for the world: thus a fallen state, as like all of us, yet with the sins of the world. (Arrested)
Note: This two parts is the "night" part of the day in the verse above.Rev 4:8
3. (The Judgment) 6am to mid day noon 12am. Jesus is taken before (4) courts, which can be looked at as covering the four corners of the earth, meaning not just the righteous folk, but all otheres to.(The just and the unjust)
He is Judged, condemned, beaten, crowned and prepared for the cross.
4. (Punishment) 12 noonday to 6pm, sundown the eve of the Sabbath.
here Jesus is driven to the cross and nailed.
Note: This fulfills the rest the day of "night and day".
The new day coming is at His resurrection when you and I are born from above as a new creature.
I'll stop here and continue a little later, for there are still many other things to look at and wonder at.
Just remember one thing as you read all that I have to say, if you are grounded in Jesus as your foundation, there is absolutely nothing new that can harm you, but may lead you to have a deeper understanding of His love.
Blessings, AJ
First of all, let me quote one scripture:Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Mar 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the **** crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
The picture is painted with doubling of things.
For example: Now this is not written but extrapolated from scripture:
Adam is one, a similitude of Adam is Jesus, two, and the new Adam, three, a similitude of the second and first, but this time a spiritual Adam that will live forever.
You see the doubling? First Adam, is the creation of the flesh with a penalty of death.
The second similitude of Adam is a quickening spirit, resulting in life.
God brings it to pass at Calvary on the second and the third is the resultant.
That doubled and the third is the new creature, the new Adam, a spiritual creature with life.
The dream to Pharaoh was doubled twice before it came to pass.
Does that make you think that perhaps there is more depth to God's word than we know, "yet man perceiveth it not" it?
Getting back to the picture, God paints a picture of one particular day in all time.
Can you guess which day that is?
Yes, your right, the day Jesus was crucified.
Let's see, what can we gather about that day?
Well, we find some clues here and there and throughout the whole bible.
But for now lets look at this verse: Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Let me explain the obvious in that scripture: First; Notice the 3 Holies, a doubling?
Second; was, is, and to come is also a doubling?
A coincidence?
The next thing to notice is day and night, not resting until the third day?
A new day, you suppose, after the day and the night? Hmmm?
Now, lets look at the following, quote: "four beasts had each of them six wings".
Is that a literal thing or is it symbolism?
If symbolism, what exactly does it mean?
Well, we are talking about a day right, a 24 hour day?
If you take that day and divided it into four equal parts, what do you get?
Four 6 hour periods? Getting the picture? Four beasts with six wings?
Remember, that we are working with a picture of "A"day, the day Jesus died.
So, we then divide the day into four equal parts and this is what we get.
1. (Introduction) 6pm sundown (the eve of the next day)to midnight, Jesus introductes or tells His apostles at the Last Supper, things that must shortly come to pass.
Then He goes from there to the garden at midnight.
2. (The Fall)At the Garden, midnight 12pm to 6am sunrise ; Jesus accepts the will of the Father, meaning the cup of wrath, and Himself becoming all sin for the world: thus a fallen state, as like all of us, yet with the sins of the world. (Arrested)
Note: This two parts is the "night" part of the day in the verse above.Rev 4:8
3. (The Judgment) 6am to mid day noon 12am. Jesus is taken before (4) courts, which can be looked at as covering the four corners of the earth, meaning not just the righteous folk, but all otheres to.(The just and the unjust)
He is Judged, condemned, beaten, crowned and prepared for the cross.
4. (Punishment) 12 noonday to 6pm, sundown the eve of the Sabbath.
here Jesus is driven to the cross and nailed.
Note: This fulfills the rest the day of "night and day".
The new day coming is at His resurrection when you and I are born from above as a new creature.
I'll stop here and continue a little later, for there are still many other things to look at and wonder at.
Just remember one thing as you read all that I have to say, if you are grounded in Jesus as your foundation, there is absolutely nothing new that can harm you, but may lead you to have a deeper understanding of His love.
Blessings, AJ
One. This number, when used figuratively, conveys the thought of singleness, uniqueness, as well as unity and agreement in purpose and action. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, said Moses. (De 6:4) He alone is Sovereign. He is unique. He does not share his glory with another, as is the case with pagan trinitarian gods. (Ac 4:24; Re 6:10; Isa 42:8) There is oneness in purpose and activity between Jehovah and Jesus Christ (Joh 10:30) and there should be complete unity of Christs disciples with God, with his Son, and with one another. (Joh 17:21; Ga 3:28) Such oneness is illustrated in the marriage arrangement.Ge 2:24; Mt 19:6; Eph 5:28-32.
Two. The number two frequently appears in a legal setting. Agreement in the accounts of two witnesses adds to the force of the testimony. Two witnesses, or even three, were required to establish a matter before the judges. This principle is also followed in the Christian congregation. (De 17:6; 19:15; Mt 18:16; 2Co 13:1; 1Ti 5:19; Heb 10:28) God adhered to this principle in presenting his Son to the people as mankinds Savior. Jesus said: In your own Law it is written, The witness of two men is true. I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.Joh 8:17, 18.
Doing something a second timefor example, repetition of a statement or vision, even in only a parallel wayfirmly established the matter as sure and true (as in Pharaohs dream of the cows and the ears of grain; Ge 41:32). Biblical Hebrew poetry is full of thought parallelism, which establishes more firmly in mind the truths stated and at the same time clarifies matters by the variety of wording in the parallelism.See Ps 2, 44, and others.
In Daniels prophecy a certain beasts having two horns symbolized duality in rulership of the Medo-Persian Empire.Da 8:20, 21; compare Re 13:11.
Three. While the testifying of two witnesses to the same matter established proof sufficient for legal action, three made the testimony even stronger. The number three, therefore, is used at times to represent intensity, emphasis, or added strength. A threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two. (Ec 4:12) Emphasis was achieved in Jesus threefold questioning of Peter after Peters three denials of Jesus. (Mt 26:34, 75; Joh 21:15-17) The vision telling Peter to eat of all kinds of animals, including those unclean according to the Law, was intensified by being given to him three times. This doubtless made it easier for Peter to understand, when Cornelius and his household accepted the good news, that God was now turning his attention to uncircumcised people of the nations, considered unclean by the Jews.Ac 10:1-16, 28-35, 47, 48.
The intensity of Jehovahs holiness and cleanness is emphasized by the declaration of heavenly creatures: Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah. (Isa 6:3; Re 4:8) Before taking the last earthly king of the line of David off the throne, Jehovah said: A ruin, a ruin, a ruin I shall make it. As for this also, it will certainly become no ones until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him. Here he emphatically showed there would be no Davidic kings sitting upon the throne at Jerusalem in his namethe throne would be absolutely vacantuntil Gods time to establish his Messiah in Kingdom power. (Eze 21:27) The intensity of woes to come to those dwelling on earth is forecast by the triple repetition of the declaration woe.Re 8:13.
Four. Four is a number sometimes expressing universalness or foursquareness in symmetry and form. It is found three times at Revelation 7:1. Here the four angels (all those in charge of the four winds, ready for complete destruction) stood on earths four corners (they could let loose the winds obliquely or diagonally, and no quarter of the earth would be spared). (Compare Da 8:8; Isa 11:12; Jer 49:36; Zec 2:6; Mt 24:31.) The New Jerusalem is foursquare, equal in every dimension, being in fact cubical in shape. (Re 21:16) Other figurative expressions using the number four are found at Zechariah 1:18-21; 6:1-3; Revelation 9:14, 15.
Six. This number at times represents imperfection. The number of the wild beast is 666 and is called a mans number, indicating that it has to do with imperfect, fallen man, and it seems to symbolize the imperfection of that which is represented by the wild beast. The number six being emphasized to a third degree (the six appearing in the position of units, tens, and hundreds) therefore highlights the imperfection and deficiency of that which the beast represents, or pictures.Re 13:18.
Seven. Seven is used frequently in the Scriptures to signify completeness. At times it has reference to bringing a work toward completion. Or it can refer to the complete cycle of things as established or allowed by God. By completing his work toward the earth in six creative days and resting on the seventh day, Jehovah set the pattern for the whole Sabbath arrangement, from the seven-day week to the Jubilee year that followed the seven-times-sevenyear cycle. (Ex 20:10; Le 25:2, 6, 8) The Festival of Unleavened Bread and the Festival of Booths were each seven days long. (Ex 34:18; Le 23:34) Seven appears often in connection with the Levitical rules for offerings (Le 4:6; 16:14, 19; Nu 28:11) and for cleansings.Le 14:7, 8, 16, 27, 51; 2Ki 5:10.
The seven congregations of Revelation, with their characteristics, give a complete picture of all the congregations of God on earth.Re 1:203:22.
The seven heads of the wild beast (Re 13:1) show the limit to which the beast would be allowed to develop. Although the scarlet-colored wild beast is called an eighth king, it springs from the seven and does not exist apart from the seven-headed wild beast (Re 17:3, 9-11), as is true also of the image of the wild beast. (Re 13:14) Similarly, the two-horned wild beast is actually coexistent with the original wild beast whose mark it tries to put on all persons.Re 13:11, 16, 17.
Jehovah was long-suffering with Israel but warned them that if, despite his discipline, they ignored him, he would then chastise them seven times, thoroughly, for their sins.Le 26:18, 21, 28.
In historical sections of the Scriptures, seven frequently occurs to denote completeness, or doing a work completely. The Israelites exercised full faith and obedience by marching for seven days around Jericho, encompassing it seven times on the seventh day, after which the city wall collapsed. (Jos 6:2-4, 15) Elijah showed full faith in the efficacy of his prayer to God by commanding his servant up on Mount Carmel to go looking at the sky seven times before a rain cloud appeared. (1Ki 18:42-44) Naaman the leper had to bathe seven times in the Jordan River. He, as a mighty Syrian general, had to display considerable humility to carry out this procedure recommended by the prophet Elisha, but for his obediently doing it, Jehovah cleansed him. (2Ki 5:10, 12) The purity, completeness, perfection, and fineness of Jehovahs sayings are likened with poetic force and intensity to silver refined in a smelting furnace, clarified seven times. (Ps 12:6) Jehovahs mercy is magnified by the statement: The righteous one may fall even seven times, and he will certainly get up. (Pr 24:16) His deserving all praise is declared by the psalmist: Seven times in the day I have praised you.Ps 119:164.
The book of Revelation abounds with symbolic use of the number seven in connection with the things of God and his congregation, and also the things of Gods Adversary, Satan the Devil, in his all-out fight to oppose God and his people.Re 1:4, 12, 16; 5:1, 6; 8:2; 10:3; 12:3; 13:1; 15:1, 7; 17:3, 10; and other texts.
Multiples of seven are used in a similar sense of completeness. Seventy (ten times seven) is employed prophetically in the seventy weeks of Daniels prophecy dealing with Messiahs coming. (Da 9:24-27; see SEVENTY WEEKS.) Jerusalem and Judah lay desolate 70 years, because of disobedience to God, until the land had paid off [completely] its sabbaths.2Ch 36:21; Jer 25:11; 29:10; Da 9:2; Zec 1:12; 7:5.
Seventy-seven, a repetition of seven in a number, was equivalent to saying indefinitely or without limit. Jesus counsels Christians to forgive their brothers to that extent. (Mt 18:21, 22) Since God had ruled that anyone killing Cain, the murderer, must suffer vengeance seven times, Lamech, who apparently killed a man in self-defense, said: If seven times Cain is to be avenged, then Lamech seventy times and seven.Ge 4:15, 23, 24.
Eight. The number eight was also used to add emphasis to the completeness of something (one more than seven, the number generally used for completeness), thus sometimes representing abundance. Jehovah reassured his people of deliverance from the threat of Assyria, saying that there should be raised up against the Assyrian seven shepherds, yes, [not merely seven, but] eight dukes of mankind. (Mic 5:5) As a fitting climax to the final festival of the sacred year, the Festival of Booths, the eighth day was to be one of holy convention, solemn assembly, a day of complete rest.Le 23:36, 39; Nu 29:35.
Two. The number two frequently appears in a legal setting. Agreement in the accounts of two witnesses adds to the force of the testimony. Two witnesses, or even three, were required to establish a matter before the judges. This principle is also followed in the Christian congregation. (De 17:6; 19:15; Mt 18:16; 2Co 13:1; 1Ti 5:19; Heb 10:28) God adhered to this principle in presenting his Son to the people as mankinds Savior. Jesus said: In your own Law it is written, The witness of two men is true. I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.Joh 8:17, 18.
Doing something a second timefor example, repetition of a statement or vision, even in only a parallel wayfirmly established the matter as sure and true (as in Pharaohs dream of the cows and the ears of grain; Ge 41:32). Biblical Hebrew poetry is full of thought parallelism, which establishes more firmly in mind the truths stated and at the same time clarifies matters by the variety of wording in the parallelism.See Ps 2, 44, and others.
In Daniels prophecy a certain beasts having two horns symbolized duality in rulership of the Medo-Persian Empire.Da 8:20, 21; compare Re 13:11.
Three. While the testifying of two witnesses to the same matter established proof sufficient for legal action, three made the testimony even stronger. The number three, therefore, is used at times to represent intensity, emphasis, or added strength. A threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two. (Ec 4:12) Emphasis was achieved in Jesus threefold questioning of Peter after Peters three denials of Jesus. (Mt 26:34, 75; Joh 21:15-17) The vision telling Peter to eat of all kinds of animals, including those unclean according to the Law, was intensified by being given to him three times. This doubtless made it easier for Peter to understand, when Cornelius and his household accepted the good news, that God was now turning his attention to uncircumcised people of the nations, considered unclean by the Jews.Ac 10:1-16, 28-35, 47, 48.
The intensity of Jehovahs holiness and cleanness is emphasized by the declaration of heavenly creatures: Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah. (Isa 6:3; Re 4:8) Before taking the last earthly king of the line of David off the throne, Jehovah said: A ruin, a ruin, a ruin I shall make it. As for this also, it will certainly become no ones until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him. Here he emphatically showed there would be no Davidic kings sitting upon the throne at Jerusalem in his namethe throne would be absolutely vacantuntil Gods time to establish his Messiah in Kingdom power. (Eze 21:27) The intensity of woes to come to those dwelling on earth is forecast by the triple repetition of the declaration woe.Re 8:13.
Four. Four is a number sometimes expressing universalness or foursquareness in symmetry and form. It is found three times at Revelation 7:1. Here the four angels (all those in charge of the four winds, ready for complete destruction) stood on earths four corners (they could let loose the winds obliquely or diagonally, and no quarter of the earth would be spared). (Compare Da 8:8; Isa 11:12; Jer 49:36; Zec 2:6; Mt 24:31.) The New Jerusalem is foursquare, equal in every dimension, being in fact cubical in shape. (Re 21:16) Other figurative expressions using the number four are found at Zechariah 1:18-21; 6:1-3; Revelation 9:14, 15.
Six. This number at times represents imperfection. The number of the wild beast is 666 and is called a mans number, indicating that it has to do with imperfect, fallen man, and it seems to symbolize the imperfection of that which is represented by the wild beast. The number six being emphasized to a third degree (the six appearing in the position of units, tens, and hundreds) therefore highlights the imperfection and deficiency of that which the beast represents, or pictures.Re 13:18.
Seven. Seven is used frequently in the Scriptures to signify completeness. At times it has reference to bringing a work toward completion. Or it can refer to the complete cycle of things as established or allowed by God. By completing his work toward the earth in six creative days and resting on the seventh day, Jehovah set the pattern for the whole Sabbath arrangement, from the seven-day week to the Jubilee year that followed the seven-times-sevenyear cycle. (Ex 20:10; Le 25:2, 6, 8) The Festival of Unleavened Bread and the Festival of Booths were each seven days long. (Ex 34:18; Le 23:34) Seven appears often in connection with the Levitical rules for offerings (Le 4:6; 16:14, 19; Nu 28:11) and for cleansings.Le 14:7, 8, 16, 27, 51; 2Ki 5:10.
The seven congregations of Revelation, with their characteristics, give a complete picture of all the congregations of God on earth.Re 1:203:22.
The seven heads of the wild beast (Re 13:1) show the limit to which the beast would be allowed to develop. Although the scarlet-colored wild beast is called an eighth king, it springs from the seven and does not exist apart from the seven-headed wild beast (Re 17:3, 9-11), as is true also of the image of the wild beast. (Re 13:14) Similarly, the two-horned wild beast is actually coexistent with the original wild beast whose mark it tries to put on all persons.Re 13:11, 16, 17.
Jehovah was long-suffering with Israel but warned them that if, despite his discipline, they ignored him, he would then chastise them seven times, thoroughly, for their sins.Le 26:18, 21, 28.
In historical sections of the Scriptures, seven frequently occurs to denote completeness, or doing a work completely. The Israelites exercised full faith and obedience by marching for seven days around Jericho, encompassing it seven times on the seventh day, after which the city wall collapsed. (Jos 6:2-4, 15) Elijah showed full faith in the efficacy of his prayer to God by commanding his servant up on Mount Carmel to go looking at the sky seven times before a rain cloud appeared. (1Ki 18:42-44) Naaman the leper had to bathe seven times in the Jordan River. He, as a mighty Syrian general, had to display considerable humility to carry out this procedure recommended by the prophet Elisha, but for his obediently doing it, Jehovah cleansed him. (2Ki 5:10, 12) The purity, completeness, perfection, and fineness of Jehovahs sayings are likened with poetic force and intensity to silver refined in a smelting furnace, clarified seven times. (Ps 12:6) Jehovahs mercy is magnified by the statement: The righteous one may fall even seven times, and he will certainly get up. (Pr 24:16) His deserving all praise is declared by the psalmist: Seven times in the day I have praised you.Ps 119:164.
The book of Revelation abounds with symbolic use of the number seven in connection with the things of God and his congregation, and also the things of Gods Adversary, Satan the Devil, in his all-out fight to oppose God and his people.Re 1:4, 12, 16; 5:1, 6; 8:2; 10:3; 12:3; 13:1; 15:1, 7; 17:3, 10; and other texts.
Multiples of seven are used in a similar sense of completeness. Seventy (ten times seven) is employed prophetically in the seventy weeks of Daniels prophecy dealing with Messiahs coming. (Da 9:24-27; see SEVENTY WEEKS.) Jerusalem and Judah lay desolate 70 years, because of disobedience to God, until the land had paid off [completely] its sabbaths.2Ch 36:21; Jer 25:11; 29:10; Da 9:2; Zec 1:12; 7:5.
Seventy-seven, a repetition of seven in a number, was equivalent to saying indefinitely or without limit. Jesus counsels Christians to forgive their brothers to that extent. (Mt 18:21, 22) Since God had ruled that anyone killing Cain, the murderer, must suffer vengeance seven times, Lamech, who apparently killed a man in self-defense, said: If seven times Cain is to be avenged, then Lamech seventy times and seven.Ge 4:15, 23, 24.
Eight. The number eight was also used to add emphasis to the completeness of something (one more than seven, the number generally used for completeness), thus sometimes representing abundance. Jehovah reassured his people of deliverance from the threat of Assyria, saying that there should be raised up against the Assyrian seven shepherds, yes, [not merely seven, but] eight dukes of mankind. (Mic 5:5) As a fitting climax to the final festival of the sacred year, the Festival of Booths, the eighth day was to be one of holy convention, solemn assembly, a day of complete rest.Le 23:36, 39; Nu 29:35.
lockyfan
There is no argument with your reasoning.
What I look at is how the number seven is incorporated into the recreation day, the day Jesus was crucified.
The first creation is explained in a 7-day story.
That creation gave us:
1. There is a Creator
2.Creation of all there is
3.Creation of mankind
4 and the fallen state of mankind with it's consequences.
That same 7-day creation story is used again by God in Jesus' works of redemption.
The day is divided into 7 parts in three different pictures of the sae day.
Picture one: 4 beasts with six wings, is the day divided into 4-6 hr quarters.= to the first four days of the creation story.
Second picture is the two witnesses each dividing the day into two equal parts.
Two parts are night/day, 3-1/2 years of seven times 2, the old/new Testament,
the old man/new man, and 1260 days equal to 3-1/2 years times 2 = 7 years.
Day numbers 5 and 6.
The third picture is the 24 Elders as a 24 hour day, complete = the number 7th day.
If you follow the path of Christ from the start of the Last supper to His burial, you will find those seven days portrayed in completeness, signifying, that Christ had visited all 7 days of creation, in order to lump it all up in one sacrifice for all.
That is a very significant act of God in Jesus, a recreation in one day.
Blessings, AJ
There is no argument with your reasoning.
What I look at is how the number seven is incorporated into the recreation day, the day Jesus was crucified.
The first creation is explained in a 7-day story.
That creation gave us:
1. There is a Creator
2.Creation of all there is
3.Creation of mankind
4 and the fallen state of mankind with it's consequences.
That same 7-day creation story is used again by God in Jesus' works of redemption.
The day is divided into 7 parts in three different pictures of the sae day.
Picture one: 4 beasts with six wings, is the day divided into 4-6 hr quarters.= to the first four days of the creation story.
Second picture is the two witnesses each dividing the day into two equal parts.
Two parts are night/day, 3-1/2 years of seven times 2, the old/new Testament,
the old man/new man, and 1260 days equal to 3-1/2 years times 2 = 7 years.
Day numbers 5 and 6.
The third picture is the 24 Elders as a 24 hour day, complete = the number 7th day.
If you follow the path of Christ from the start of the Last supper to His burial, you will find those seven days portrayed in completeness, signifying, that Christ had visited all 7 days of creation, in order to lump it all up in one sacrifice for all.
That is a very significant act of God in Jesus, a recreation in one day.
Blessings, AJ
IndigoStorm
Member
I think by now that most earthlings know that the Seven Day Creation thing is a load of crap!
The "Church", after working the *** off the peasants for six days HAD to have an excuse to give the poor sods a day off!
Tada! Sunday a day of rest!
The "Church", after working the *** off the peasants for six days HAD to have an excuse to give the poor sods a day off!
Tada! Sunday a day of rest!
IndigoStorm
Member
:yes: AJ you echo my sentiments. I have no quarrel with any earthling whose beliefs differ from my own. To each his own!
True!
But if I choose to share my love for God on this forum, do you have any problem with it?
Notice I said "share"?
Blessings, AJ
IndigoStorm
Member
No problem at all!
I really dont know where you got this information from.
I have never heard of a Recreation story.
Can you please make a post so we can discuss it more thoroughly?
It ould be interesting to see the scriptures that you use to back your theory up with.
thank you
The bible's words are taken in faith as the Holy Spirit inspires us.
We can seek, and shall find nuggets of gold as answers to mysteries in the bible.
Those nuggets are only revealed to us by the Holy Spirit as our hearts desires it.
Now, as for the recreation story.
God gave us that story to give us information as to who He is, what He has done and how we relate to Him.
That story is the seven day creation story which explains to us Gods works.
Now, seven days are not a literal seven days but could span billions of years, yet, for our understanding, and even for a child to understand, the story is simplistic and to the point.
1. Who the creator is and the creation of mankind
2. The reason for the fall (Short of the glory of God)
3. The judgment (Because of the shortness we are judged as gods. (Lower case g)
4. The punishment (The banishment from the garden = death of the soul.
I know you can understand those four things because that is the curse we all have as the so called "Original sin".
1.When we are born (Introduced into the world)
2. We find that we are in a fallen state, short of God's glory
3. We are judged because of that
4. Our punishment is separation, banishment from the garden if you will, equals death.
You see, that is the first creation story where we can know who God is, why we are fallen, judged and why we are lost.
Do we need a second recreation? Yes! Absolutely.
The book of Revelation is about the works of God in His Son Jesus giving us the same story as works performed by Jesus.
Ref: 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
"A new creature" would only mean a new creation right?
This old creature made after the similitude of Adam, meaning fleshly, fallen, judged and punished, can spiritually be recreated.
As the verse states above "behold, all things are become new", because the old passes away.
The old meaning, our dead state of being, and the new, meaning born of God by Jesus and in Jesus.
In order for God to include all generations of people both Jews and Gentiles from the very beginning of humanity, God in Jesus works Jesus in those 7-days in the span of one day, and redeems the world.
Ref: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Words of Jesus right? The should not perish can be looked at two ways.
1.Were it not for Jesus, the world would remain in a perished state.
Therefore, the words "should not perish" are words spoken before Christ's resurrection.
2. But after the death, burial and resurrection, the words become an option, to be rescued from a perished state, or else remain.
Since we are already in a perished state, salvation becomes a gift from God in the form of a new creation of our souls.
The bible speaks of it in many ways through out human history.
The old/ Egypt, and the new/promised land.
The old/law and the new/grace.
The old unregenerate man/new regenerated man
The old Testament/new Testament
All that is what I see in the scriptures that are very resonable to understand.
Blessings, AJ
If we use the following verse as a clue in understanding all that God had done, then we can begin to piece together the mysteries of Gods works as written in the bible in which He uses, similitude's, as examples of what He is doing, and has done, visions as pictures of reality in human happenings.
Here is the verse: Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
God then goes on to use what the following verse and gives us clue to: Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
Questions?
A. Purpose of the prophets
1. Warnings of impending judgment
2. Predicting of the coming of the Messiah.
B. Similitude's - multiplied
1. How are they used?
2. Why the multiplication?
C. By the ministry of the Prophets
1. The chosen; beginning with Abraham
2. Ending by the coming of the Son of God, the promised Messiah
3. Finally, the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
Ask those questions and try to find the answers to them.
Blessings, AJ
Here is the verse: Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
God then goes on to use what the following verse and gives us clue to: Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
Questions?
A. Purpose of the prophets
1. Warnings of impending judgment
2. Predicting of the coming of the Messiah.
B. Similitude's - multiplied
1. How are they used?
2. Why the multiplication?
C. By the ministry of the Prophets
1. The chosen; beginning with Abraham
2. Ending by the coming of the Son of God, the promised Messiah
3. Finally, the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
Ask those questions and try to find the answers to them.
Blessings, AJ