What Age Is Acceptable To Identify As The Opposite Sex?

[The Hammer]

So modern teaching philosophy comes from the position that the teacher learns just as much from the student, as the student learns from the teacher?

Yeah it does. The tides have changed.

 

[The Hammer]

I have no interest in your link, I only have interest in your opinion. If you can’t provide that, I think we’re done here

You want opinions and not fact? Weird.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

According to the World Health Organization:

"gender-affirming care refers to a range of social, psychological, behavioral, and medical interventions designed to support and affirm an individual's gender identity when it conflicts with the gender they were assigned at birth."

Legal Guide to Gender-Affirming Care

Anti-trans developments in states all over the country are shining a light on the legal rules around access to gender-affirming health care. Learn more.

www.nolo.com

No, the law in Minnesota as per the article you linked.

Minnesota Bill Would Legalize Gender Change Procedures for Minors Across State Lines

Minnesota lawmakers are considering legislation to legalize gender transition procedures for minors across state lines.

decisionmagazine.com

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, and the state can take custody of any kids being denied any of the above.

Denying needed healthcare is child abuse and neglect. Children are not the property of their parents and too many have suffered under this nonsense that parents have the final say so.

 

[Kathryn]

No, the law in Minnesota as per the article you linked.

I can't find it and am tired of looking for it, but feel free if it means so much to you that you won't take the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION'S word for it.

Transgender health care is now protected in Minnesota

Gov. Tim Walz signed an executive order protecting transgender health care in Minnesota.

abcnews.go.com

Minnesota governor protects rights to gender affirming care

Gov. Tim Walz has signed an executive order protecting the rights of LGBTQ people from Minnesota and other states to seek and receive gender affirming health care.

apnews.com

 

[Kathryn]

Denying needed healthcare is child abuse and neglect. Children are not the property of their parents and too many have suffered under this nonsense that parents have the final say so.

So are you saying that minors who want gender affirming care should have it in spite of what the parents are saying?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just so you know, the link you provided is for an activist website, not really a neutral, science-based sournce. You can see it in how they talk about these topics and the words they use.

And even if we agree to use their definitions, they start out by admitting that gender is hard to understand. Doesn't it seem that if it's hard for adults it would be basically impossible for kids?

Ebsco amd Wiki are not activist websites.

 

[Kathryn]

@mikkel_the_dane, I did find the executive order that Walz signed though.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So are you saying that minors who want gender affirming care should have it in spite of what the parents are saying?

I'm saying children should be able to get treated for their ailments when a doctor says it's necessary despite parental objections. This is more expansive and inclusive than just trans stuff.

 

[Kathryn]

The EO signed by Gov Walz in Minnesota specifically brings up gender affirming care and the LGBTQIA+ community. @Shadow Wolf

 

[Kathryn]

The EO signed by Gov Walz in Minnesota specifically brings up gender affirming care and the LGBTQIA+ community. @Shadow Wolf

Hell, I don't even know what all those initials mean after the Q, which means queer.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I can't find it and am tired of looking for it, but feel free if it means so much to you that you won't take the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION'S word for it.

Transgender health care is now protected in Minnesota

Gov. Tim Walz signed an executive order protecting transgender health care in Minnesota.

abcnews.go.com

Minnesota governor protects rights to gender affirming care

Gov. Tim Walz has signed an executive order protecting the rights of LGBTQ people from Minnesota and other states to seek and receive gender affirming health care.

apnews.com

Yeah, but what kind of care? What do the actual laws in Minnesota allow? Here is what I learned many years ago, when dealing with laws. You read and qoute the laws and other relevant legal texts.

So I read both articles and they didn't answer that. Here is what your first article claimed:
"While eight states have passed laws this year to protect children from gender transition procedures, including puberty blockers, cross sex-hormones and body-altering surgeries, Minnesota lawmakers voted March 24 to advance legislation that would establish its state as a “trans refuge” for children in states where such procedures are illegal."

I need the actual laws to check if that is true or in effect a lie and that is on you. And you linked the article so for now, I don't care about that article and your standard of truth or rather the lack of it.
And yes, I am honest now.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

@mikkel_the_dane, I did find the executive order that Walz signed though.

Then read it and check it.

 

[Kathryn]

Yeah, but what kind of care? What do the actual laws in Minnesota allow? Here is what I learned many years ago, when dealing with laws. You read and qoute the laws and other relevant legal texts.

So I read both articles and they didn't answer that. Here is what your first article claimed:
"While eight states have passed laws this year to protect children from gender transition procedures, including puberty blockers, cross sex-hormones and body-altering surgeries, Minnesota lawmakers voted March 24 to advance legislation that would establish its state as a “trans refuge” for children in states where such procedures are illegal."

I need the actual laws to check if that is true or in effect a lie and that is on you. And you linked the article so for now, I don't care about that article and your standard of truth or rather the lack of it.
And yes, I am honest now.

I can give you the executive order that Walz signed -is that enough? Please say it is!

https://mn.gov/governor/assets/EO%2023-03%20Signed%20and%20filed_tcm1055-568332.pdf

 

[Kathryn]

Then read it and check it.

See above. You read through it all if you like, I'm tired of thinking about it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I can give you the executive order that Walz signed -is that enough? Please say it is!

https://mn.gov/governor/assets/EO%2023-03%20Signed%20and%20filed_tcm1055-568332.pdf

You really don't understand burden of proof, do you? It is on you to show that the claim in the first article you posted match the executive order and laws of Minnesota. I won't do it for you.

So here is what you can do. State that you retract the article as you are not certain that it tells the truth. Or back it up.

BTW I took the time to read it. Now take a guess as to if it backs up the article claims?

 

[GoodAttention]

Yeah, but what kind of care? What do the actual laws in Minnesota allow? Here is what I learned many years ago, when dealing with laws. You read and qoute the laws and other relevant legal texts.

So I read both articles and they didn't answer that. Here is what your first article claimed:
"While eight states have passed laws this year to protect children from gender transition procedures, including puberty blockers, cross sex-hormones and body-altering surgeries, Minnesota lawmakers voted March 24 to advance legislation that would establish its state as a “trans refuge” for children in states where such procedures are illegal."

I need the actual laws to check if that is true or in effect a lie and that is on you. And you linked the article so for now, I don't care about that article and your standard of truth or rather the lack of it.
And yes, I am honest now.

It is very interesting from a legal point of view, especially since it is the US. For a child to seek help and advice there has to be a service that can be accessed, so will this be a free service provided by the state?

If not, and the parents do not have the financial means to access the care then is this also considered neglect?

Could a child take their parents to court based on this legislation? Could a person also take the state to court for not taking them into state custody at the pertinent time?

 

[Kathryn]

You really don't understand burden of proof, do you? It is on you to show that the claim in the first article you posted match the executive order and laws of Minnesota. I won't do it for you.

So here is what you can do. State that you retract the article as you are not certain that it tells the truth. Or back it up.

BTW I took the time to read it. Now take a guess as to if it backs up the article claims?

Like I said, I am tired of thinking about it.

 

[Argentbear]

I want HIS answer

Why?

Do you think it will be somehow different?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, but what kind of care? What do the actual laws in Minnesota allow? Here is what I learned many years ago, when dealing with laws. You read and qoute the laws and other relevant legal texts.

So I read both articles and they didn't answer that. Here is what your first article claimed:
"While eight states have passed laws this year to protect children from gender transition procedures, including puberty blockers, cross sex-hormones and body-altering surgeries, Minnesota lawmakers voted March 24 to advance legislation that would establish its state as a “trans refuge” for children in states where such procedures are illegal."

I need the actual laws to check if that is true or in effect a lie and that is on you. And you linked the article so for now, I don't care about that article and your standard of truth or rather the lack of it.
And yes, I am honest now.

Not to mention its horribly biased to say states "protect" kids from medical treatment.