What Age Is Acceptable To Identify As The Opposite Sex?

[Kfox]

If the law is asking, fine I’m obliged, but it shouldn’t matter in any other context.

It doesn't have to be just the law, sometimes knowing if the person is male or female, your sister or your mother, your friend, employee, etc. there are countless occasions where just having the label "human" will not suffice in everyday conversations

 

[GoodAttention]

It doesn't have to be just the law, sometimes knowing if the person is male or female, your sister or your mother, your friend, employee, etc. there are countless occasions where just having the label "human" will not suffice in everyday conversations

Talking politics is the worst subject of conversation, especially if it can be used against you.

I would lie if that will suffice.

 

[icehorse]

Some people's gender changes over time

For the sake of discussion. let's say i accepted all of this; How do the docs know which kids' genders will change over time, and which one's are immutable so that they can undergo irreversible "sex change" protocols such as drugs and then surgeries?

 

[GoodAttention]

For the sake of discussion. let's say i accepted all of this; How do the docs know which kids' genders will change over time, and which one's are immutable so that they can undergo irreversible "sex change" protocols such as drugs and then surgeries?

In an ideal world you would have more than one opinion coming to the same conclusion, and a judge to assess capacity for consent and review process.

 

[McBell]

For the sake of discussion. let's say i accepted all of this; How do the docs know which kids' genders will change over time, and which one's are immutable so that they can undergo irreversible "sex change" protocols such as drugs and then surgeries?

Not being a doctor...

my first guess, and it is a blind stab in the dark, but it makes sense to me, maybe the doctor actually talks to them?

 

[GoodAttention]

Not being a doctor...

my first guess, and it is a blind stab in the dark, but it makes sense to me, maybe the doctor actually talks to them?

It’s insane that the country which is at the frontier of medical technology and resources is the same one where people either don’t trust healthcare, can’t access healthcare, or will be committing a crime if the do.

 

[McBell]

It’s insane that the country which is at the frontier of medical technology and resources is the same one where people either don’t trust healthcare, can’t access healthcare, or will be committing a crime if the do.

The biggest problem, IMO, with the healthcare system in the USA is insurance companies practicing medicine.
Which is illegal for everyone else unless they have a medical license.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

NO; I subjectively decide when this is the case for ME. I explained why I prefer talking to people rather than reading links. If others like links, thats their business not mine.

So I subjectively decide for me, what my gender is and I can explain why I prefer what I have subjectively chosen. If other feel differently about their gender, that is their buisness not mine.

Do you agree?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The biggest problem, IMO, with the healthcare system in the USA is insurance companies practicing medicine.
Which is illegal for everyone else unless they have a medical license.

Yes. It's not their place as uneducated laymen and experts with an incomplete picture to decide what a patient needs. It's even blatantly wrong in many cases, such as the typical requirement to have an xray before an MRI even if it's a certainty the xray is a waste of time, money and resources.

 

[Kfox]

Play your word games with someone else

It's obvious your verbal gymnastics can only go so far before finally being exposed for the absurdity that it is. There used to be an old saying; if you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen. So I agree, if you aren't willing to change your mind, either up your game, change your views, or leave. Good day sir!

 

[Argentbear]

It's obvious your verbal gymnastics can only go so far before finally being exposed for the absurdity that it is. There used to be an old saying; if you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen. So I agree, if you aren't willing to change your mind, either up your game, change your views, or leave. Good day sir!

Awwww I guess someone doesn't like having their little games called out.

 

[icehorse]

Not being a doctor...

my first guess, and it is a blind stab in the dark, but it makes sense to me, maybe the doctor actually talks to them?

You'd think that would be the minimum. But even then, I don't think even the best docs can predict which kids would grow out of their GD naturally.

 

[icehorse]

Environmental Progress, which hosts the “report”, is a misleadingly named organisation that actually dabbles in quite a bit of climate denialism, pro-nuclear activism, and racist fearmongering. Environmental Progress, much like founder Shellenberger, applies a “two-truths-and-a-lie” technique (except with a LOT more lies) to spread disinformation, stating partial truth, and then spinning it out of context and arriving at terribly wrong conclusions, all while positioning themselves as the “moral do-gooders”.​

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What is the WPATH "leak" and why is conservative media trying to position it as a “groundbreaking medical scandal”?

Transplaining the "WPATH Files", a series of screenshots from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health that are being deliberately misconstrued by anti-trans campaigners

heterosexualnonsense.substack.com

Even if all of that is true (but I think it's spin), we must be able to keep ideas distinct from messengers.

 

[Argentbear]

You'd think that would be the minimum. But even then, I don't think even the best docs can predict which kids would grow out of their GD naturally.

Gender dysphoria is an anxiety disorder, not something you grow out of but one that can be helped with treatment and support.

 

[icehorse]

Gender dysphoria is an anxiety disorder, not something you grow out of but one that can be helped with treatment and support.

I disagree. In the majority of cases, kids with GD grow out of it as they pass through puberty. And most of those kids end up realizing they are gay.

 

[Argentbear]

I disagree.

That won't change the fact that gender dysphoria is an anxiety disorder and is not transgenderism

In the majority of cases, kids with GD grow out of it as they pass through puberty. And most of those kids end up realizing they are gay.

that claim is based on two discredited "studies" conducted by the hate group the American College of Pediatrics

The first claimed that 90% of kids who identify as trans "grow out of it" they got this number by doing a follow up with those who were prescribed puberty blockers as children. They ignored the fact that 90% of puberty blockers are prescribed to children for the medical condition precocious puberty. Amazingly kids who were never transgender grew up to not be transgender.

The second misused data about children referred to therapists and specialists to determine if they were transgender, most of the referrals were not trans in the first place.

legitimately published studies showing trans children maintain their identities include
Olson KR, Durwood L, DeMeules M, McLaughlin KA. Mental health of transgender children who are supported in their identities.

Wiepjes CM, Nota NM, de Blok CJM, et al. The Amsterdam cohort of gender dysphoria study (1972–2015)

van der Miesen AIR, Steensma TD, de Vries ALC, Bos H, Popma A. Psychological functioning in transgender adolescents before and after gender-affirmative care compared with cisgender general population peers.

Drummond KD, Bradley SJ, Peterson-Badali M, Zucker KJ. A follow-up study of girls with gender identity disorder.

Steensma TD, Biemond R, de Boer F, Cohen-Kettenis PT. Desisting and persisting gender dysphoria after childhood: a qualitative follow-up study.

 

[icehorse]

that claim is based on two discredited "studies" conducted by the hate group the American College of Pediatrics

That claim is based on many studies, in fact it's the result of a meta-study.

Just so everyone knows, several meta-studies have been done by independent reviewers - most recently captured in the Cass Report, in the UK - and the meta-study conclusions are that there is no good quality evidence for the safety or efficacy of WPATH's GAC medical protocols, which are the de facto protocols used in the US.

The conclusions of these meta-studies - having reviewed hundreds of studies such as the few you just posted - is that, for a variety of reasons, none of them offer high quality data.

So I'll stick with the meta-studies

And if your next move is to try to discredit the Cass Report, it was commissioned by the UK's NHS, it was four years in the making, anyone can read it, and it was conducted using the highest research standards.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You'd think that would be the minimum

That IS the minimum. You'd know this if you had interest in good faith discussions and learning things but clearly that's nit the case.
All you have is things as misrepresented as those RW pinheads who edited a video to make it seem like Planned Parenthood sells baby parts.

 

[icehorse]

That IS the minimum. You'd know this if you had interest in good faith discussions and learning things but clearly that's nit the case.

How about we assume we're debating / discussing this in good faith?

As I've acknowledged, sometimes medical professionals use the standards that you say they do. But many times they do not.

 

[McBell]

That claim is based on many studies, in fact it's the result of a meta-study.

Just so everyone knows, several meta-studies have been done by independent reviewers - most recently captured in the Cass Report, in the UK - and the meta-study conclusions are that there is no good quality evidence for the safety or efficacy of WPATH's GAC medical protocols, which are the de facto protocols used in the US.

The conclusions of these meta-studies - having reviewed hundreds of studies such as the few you just posted - is that, for a variety of reasons, none of them offer high quality data.

So I'll stick with the meta-studies

And if your next move is to try to discredit the Cass Report, it was commissioned by the UK's NHS, it was four years in the making, anyone can read it, and it was conducted using the highest research standards.

Source?

You keep saying "meta-study" but do not even offer up the name of it.

Then you claim "meta-studies", but again, not even a single name of these "meta=studies"

I linked in the other thread where the CASS report was debunked.