McBell
Unbound
I am not sure you understand what those words mean.I think he's just happy his parents were sane and intelligent.
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I am not sure you understand what those words mean.I think he's just happy his parents were sane and intelligent.
This thread strongly indicates otherwise.Oh stop it! Nobody respects those sexist gender roles anymore, we got away from that 50 years ago!
You keep whining about the definitions but offer up nothing but criticism at any definition presented.
At this point, you are merely picking at nits pretending they are mountains.
Except the problem here is NOT that the word is not being defined.If you cannot define a word, why are you using it?
You might notice that the only time I use the word "gender" is when I'm asking for a definition. I don't use it, because I do not believe there is a solid, useful definition for the word. Universal linguistic and logic rules tell us that circular definitions are weak and mostly useless. So it's fair to criticize circular definitions when they are offered.
As for being nits, I have to disagree. This and many other threads use this word "gender" as a key basis for the discussion. If you cannot define a word, why are you using it?
The definition of words comes from their usage. That is pretty common knowledge.Where did those rules come from? And what is a "gender norm"? And of course you'll need to define "gender" before you can define gender norm...
Except what you provide is not the only definitions for gender and gender identity.I disagree.
You and I are having a dialog here. We have tacitly agreed to use the English language, and standard grammar, and standard uses of logic, and the standard definitions of words, in order to exchange ideas. And for the most part we are agreed and so we can understand each other. I'm not imposing these things on you, these things are what we all tacitly agree to do whenever we talk to each other.
So it's logically true to say the following two sentences:
Cats are felines.
Felines are cats.
But if those are the only definitions we have for "cat" and "feline" we know virtually nothing about what those words mean. Those two sentences are a type of circular definition.
So when a person says something like:
Gender is what a person feels their gender identity is.
Gender identity is what gender a person feels they are.
That person has given another circular definition.
Are you calling me a toddler?Said every toddler ever. They need someone to put up the boundaries, you know. Otherwise the world becomes unsafe and they can't even trust what's between their legs.
But you reject out of hand the definitions so it is not a circular definition.You might notice that the only time I use the word "gender" is when I'm asking for a definition. I don't use it, because I do not believe there is a solid, useful definition for the word. Universal linguistic and logic rules tell us that circular definitions are weak and mostly useless. So it's fair to criticize circular definitions when they are offered.
why ask for definitions and they ignore those definitions?As for being nits, I have to disagree. This and many other threads use this word "gender" as a key basis for the discussion. If you cannot define a word, why are you using it?
Are you calling me a toddler?Said every toddler ever. They need someone to put up the boundaries, you know. Otherwise the world becomes unsafe and they can't even trust what's between their legs.
People don't get to see me naked or have a chromosome testing, amd even before I started presenting as female I got called female pronouns a lot.No, the point is; you shouldn't just ASSUME someone is referring to your gender because they refereed to you as he or she.
Except regret is very rare.25 is still young - but wait, that's the age they usually start REGRETTING the change. Hm, it must start earlier then.
Hmmm. If you think that's how my logic goes. You may need to look up the slippery slope you just fell down.Humm....... going by that logic, you disrespect a schizophrenic if you refuse to talk to his imaginary friends. I respectfully disagree.
Do you happen to have the numbers handy?Except regret is very rare.
Most sources put the number between 1 and 4 percent.Do you happen to have the numbers handy?
I mean the percentage of the population that want the surgeries, the percentage of them who actually get the surgeries, and lastly the percentage of those who 'regret' having the surgery?
I am most curios why there is so much concern for a minority of a minority of....
Just how many minority deep are we talking about that has gotten all this concern?
Regret is less than 1%Do you happen to have the numbers handy?
I mean the percentage of the population that want the surgeries, the percentage of them who actually get the surgeries, and lastly the percentage of those who 'regret' having the surgery?
I am most curios why there is so much concern for a minority of a minority of....
Just how many minority deep are we talking about that has gotten all this concern?
Ok.
Is it? Did they poll everyone?Except regret is very rare.
Is it? Did they poll everyone?
Also what about the regret of taking hormone meds? Did they poll everyone that’s done that to see if they’ve regretted it?Except regret is very rare.
Nice — the "make a reference to pedophilia to make them uncomfortable so you don't need to address the actual point".It's more than a little disturbing that you seem so interested in what is between a toddler's legs