footprints
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What a load of perceptual garbage in most cases, which a quick scan of the actual facts undermine. Sweden, Denmark as just two examples have over 80% of the population who are christian.
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What Can Atheism Lead To?
- Thread starter Kilgore Trout
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What a load of perceptual garbage in most cases, which a quick scan of the actual facts undermine. Sweden, Denmark as just two examples have over 80% of the population who are christian.
That is pretty much ********. While a large portion of the population is considered christian in the census, it is far from the truth. This is because anyone born prior to 1996 with atleast one parent that is a member of the Church of Sweden became registered automatically as a member.
Other than the occasional Jehovas Witness, I rarely bump into christians (of course it is hard to measure since far from everyone will be openly talking about it). Noone in my extended family is religious and only 1 of my friends have religious parents (once again, Jehovas Witness).
footprints
Well-Known Member
Yeah I know spaceduck, you know better than the people taking the census of what they think and believe.
A person doesn't have to go to church to believe and a person doesn't have to talk about the subject to believe.
Facts deny you, get used to it or apply the same logic to the USA, et al.
MSizer
MSizer
You are completely off base, and you have no idea what you're talking about. That is flat out false.
footprints
Well-Known Member
Of course I am MSizer, you wouldn't have it any other way. Facts and figures agree with what I have put down. If you have any better facts, put them down and I will change my position.
You and the duck may think approximately 80% of the people in the countries Auto selected are dumb and stupid and do not know how to fill out a census form, but here again I will disagree with you.
This doesn't actually impact the claim that they could be amongst the countries with the highest proportion of atheists compared to other countries.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Only 20% of people in Sweden claim to believe in god. Almost 80% of the population "belongs" to the Church of Sweden, because until recently, if your family was part of the church, you automatically became a member of the church at birth. Their status as being members of the church does not negate the fact that the majority of the country are self-described atheists.
Facts and figures are fine, but you have to learn how to interpret them to make an accurate assessment of what those facts and figures mean. Otherwise, you end up making embarrassingly false statements.
footprints
Well-Known Member
Hard to say one way or the other, figures do not show this. Albeit on average I would assume they are the same as figures for the US, Australia et al, based on percentage.
Of course, minorities do not change social culture, it is the majority which do this.
The listed countries could have one atheist each and be amongst the countries with the highest proportion of atheists, provided other countries had no atheists.
footprints
Well-Known Member
Or does this mean twist them to suit a personal agenda?
The facts are there, if you have any better facts to declare, please show them.
As for religions, atheism included, this is how it works, if the parents are atheists, they will list their children as atheists. When a person reaches Adult status, they say what they are on a census. If they are not a member of a church, they declare it. Pretty simple really. On my census form where the word religion appears, I write Agnostic, this tells them my faith of belief. Next to my childrens names I write what their beliefs are, which are Atheists and Buddhist.
And of course, if a person is going to use that logic, then they should apply the same logic and reason to places like the United States.
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footprints
Well-Known Member
That is just speculation. They could possible have, then again they might not have. Without data, it is an unsupported statement, or an element of human perception.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
"Although only one fifth of Swedes in one investigation chose to describe themselves as believing in God [9], the majority (78%) of the population belongs to the Church of Sweden, the Lutheran church that separated from the state in 2000. This is because until recently, those who had family members in the church automatically became members at birth."
From: Demographics of Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
linwood
Well-Known Member
logician
Well-Known Member
I feel very stifled by "the religious" because it is very hard to be openly atheistic in the American society, no matter what some may say on this board. Many religious folk mistakenly equate atheist with "immoral", "unpatriotic", "socialist", "communist", and the like. All being atheist means is that you don't believe there is any convincing evidence that a god exists, that's it.
footprints
Well-Known Member
All your evidence shows, is that my original statement was correct. And that Auto, MSizer the duck and yourself are very much wrong.
Now either you can support your irrational position with some evidence, or just say you were wrong.
By the way, your power of suggestion, your attempts at trying to relate and associate statistics to your own personal belief, doesn't in any way account for evidence. Especially when the evidence you offer supports my case, and not that which you are trying to project.
And, if you can look at statistics from Sweden like that, why aren't the statistics from the USA looked at in the same way? Some people just like twisting and distorting facts to suit their own agenda. With Sweden it means this, with the USA it means that.
And if what people are trying to tell me is right, what does this say about atheism and other non-believers?? That they are too stupid to know how to fill in a census form?
footprints
Well-Known Member
Either put some facts up, or understand it is you who doesn't know or understand facts and evidence.
However, if you are trying to tell me that the majority in these countries are non-believers, understand you are also telling me, that they are inherently stupid and do not know how to fill in a census form........ Go figure, hey?
dust1n
Zindīq
Side-effects: Sense of liberation from ontological dogma, an Inclination to be more skeptical about other forms of knowledge, awe in the perception of beauty when witnessing a piece of the Absurd.
linwood
Well-Known Member
Ignorance is bothersome enough.
Arrogant ignorance is just ugly.
You should do something about that.
It would seem that only 23% of Swedes are theists with a large percentage of deists.
the rest are atheists.
Could you please cite the census you keep referring to?
footprints
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, I have no control over your actions, so I cannot do anything about it. Sorry.
Deists are believers. Even if these studies are proven correct, it supports my case more than it does yours. The majority are believers, not atheists. And I am willing to give you 4%, 76% instead of 80%. It doesn't change the majority positon any.
Try the Swedish Government and census data, where credible people get their information from. Go straight to the source rather than through a back door and back alley. Albeit I am sure back alley statements prove your belief better than the original source.
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Some sort of spirit or life force is not necessarily a god. Buddhist are technically atheists, they don't believe in a god, but they do believe in spirits and reincarnation. So, actually it doesn't support your case.