What do atheists have to say about incidents like these?

[Tazarah]

I suppose the questions will be left unanswered as to where police have seen levitating kids powered by 200 demons no less.

I never said anything about kids being powered by 200 demons, I said that the kid was witnessed being lifted up into the air and thrown against the wall in the hospital by an unvisible force and I linked the report. Then you said that the report said nothing about that happening to the kid. So then I showed you where the medical staff reported where they saw it happen on page 2 of the intake report, and you then changed your statement to something along the lines of “they should have worded their statement differently”.

Now, you’re all of a sudden asking me to show you something about a kid being “powered by 200 demons” when I never said anything about that at all.

Lol

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What does any of that have to do with the reports from the police and medical staff, and what they had to say about it?

I didn't realise I wasn't supposed to independently research the story, or offer a response to the title of your thread. My apologies.

 

[Jumi]

I never said anything about kids being powered by 200 demons, I said that the kid was witnessed being lifted up into the air and thrown against the wall in the hospital by an unvisible force and I linked the report. Then you said that the report said nothing about that happening to the kid.

You misquote me. We discussed this. And your primary source in the OP talks about 200 demons, it's even in the original post.

So then I showed you where the medical staff reported where they saw it happen on page 2 of the intake report, and you then changed your statement to something along the lines of “they should have worded their statement differently”.

You apparently take it as proof. You just don't understand that kids acting as if they were controlled by something isn't the same as them actually being controlled by demons. You may not believe in free will and such, but there's zero proof of levitation in that page 2. Are you aware of any other report that says something about kids levitating or is that it?

Now, you’re all of a sudden asking me to show you something about a kid being “powered by 200 demons” when I never said anything about that at all.

Lol

Yeah, it is hilarious and unbelievable that the article in the tabloid you quoted said it was 200 demons. Yet they did.

 

[Jumi]

Especially considering the fact that most cases like these usually have multiple credible eyewitnesses.

Who are the multiple witnesses to levitating kids, what are their names.

READ FULL ARTICLE AT:

Children possessed by 200 demons 'levitated' and walked backwards over walls in front of hospital staff | Daily Mail Online

Remember this was a source you used. Do you disagree with the source?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I'm certainly no atheist as I believe in multiple deities but this is obviously just a tabloid story. It's a fun scary story for Halloween but that's about it. I am disappointed that I can't seem to find the audio and video recordings that the link refers to on that page. Maybe they expired or something since it's 4 years old.

 

[Jumi]

Well, I'm certainly no atheist as I believe in multiple deities but this is obviously just a tabloid story. It's a fun scary story for Halloween but that's about it. I am disappointed that I can't seem to find the audio and video recordings that the link refers to on that page. Maybe they expired or something since it's 4 years old.

I saw some grainy photo that was nearly black and white with something that may have been a person in the window.

 

[gnostic]

You’re lying. I answered your questions, why don’t you quote the response in which I did a “strawman” and post it in here so we can take a look at it?

This thread is now a locked thread.

I cannot do a reply any more so I will just copy-and-paste what you and I wrote with the following replies.

This was my first post in “Are there Flat Earth believers here?” thread:

In the last 15 years, I wondered how creationists can so easily dismissed that species can over time, as thousands of or tens of thousands of generations...AND YET have absolutely no problem in believing in dust or clay can be instantly into a living human being, with no parents and no childhood.

Just as you cannot turn lead into gold in alchemy, God or no God, you cannot turn dust or clay into a living adult human, because this completely defy all known science.

What people called “miracle” is simply another word for “supernatural” or “magic”.

I wrote about Genesis claiming that God turned dust into first man, and thought that this was more myth or fairytale fantasy than reality, but your immediate reply was this:

It’s just such a shame that none of you bitter evolutionists can provide any legitimate evidence to prove the claim that humans came from apes, or fish, etc.

I will believe in a God in heaven before I believe a fairytale about fish turning into humans.

Get real.

Did fish create the earth and the planets too?

I did not mention “evolution”, and I certainly didn’t mention “ape” or “fish”. And I certainly did not bring up fossils. So basically your reply was nothing more than strawman.

I certainly wasn’t the one who brought up fish, you did when you replied to me.

Perhaps you have me confused with someone like Subduction Zone or ShadowWolf, because you mentioned fish with them. So I though perhaps you confused my reply with someone else.

And when you compare my reply with yours, you didn’t address my points at all.

And when I wrote this:

How does one turn dust into a living human being, a man with no parents, and no childhood?

Is the creation of man any better than the myth of Khnum creating humans from clay and water on the potter wheel?

Is the Genesis-Eden creation any better than the gods giving life to a marble statue of a woman, a sculpture made by Pygmalion.

You say that evolution is a big con, but turning dust or clay into a living adult male human being, is even a bigger con.

Isn't believing in magic and myth of supernatural, more fiction than fact?

Dusts are living matters. Soil are not living matters. Clay are not living matters.

You talk endlessly about how science have no evidences, but you have no evidences that non-living dust can be transformed into living human being. Are you contradicting yourself? Isn't that hypocrisy?

Again, I make no mention of evolution, fossils or fishes, but you again ignored my points with more strawman, and this was your immediate reply:

You don’t have to believe in God if you don’t believe. But don’t try to tell me that humans came from fish when there is no evidence to substantiate that as a fact. That is an insult to the intelligence of any person with common sense.

I’m not trying to force God onto anybody. I simply said that it is impossible for humans to evolve from fish, and evolution is a complete lie.

P.S. — where is the evidence proving that God does not exist, or that it is impossible for a God to exist?

Again, you didn’t address my points.

I was talking about myths of other cultures about creation of human being made directly and instantly from clay (Khnum myth) or from stone (Pygmalion myth). Your respond was again to invent something else that I didn’t write about.

I wasn’t writing about evolution, fossils or fish, but you wanted to drag me into your arguments with others.

No, Hadar Judah. You made up some things that I didn’t write about. The only person lying here, is you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I saw some grainy photo that was nearly black and white with something that may have been a person in the window.

Yeah, I can see the pictures. It's the audio and video clips the article says you can listen to that aren't showing up.

 

[Jumi]

Yeah, I can see the pictures. It's the audio and video clips the article says you can listen to that aren't showing up.

Yeah it's quite disappointing. Though you can find the mother interviewed in one of the links in this thread. So I guess that's as much video as these 200 demons left...

 

[Tazarah]

You misquote me. We discussed this. And your primary source in the OP talks about 200 demons, it's even in the original post.


You apparently take it as proof. You just don't understand that kids acting as if they were controlled by something isn't the same as them actually being controlled by demons. You may not believe in free will and such, but there's zero proof of levitation in that page 2. Are you aware of any other report that says something about kids levitating or is that it?


Yeah, it is hilarious and unbelievable that the article in the tabloid you quoted said it was 200 demons. Yet they did.

“200 demons” probably according to the mother or some unofficial source. But the kid being lifted by an unknown force and thrown into the wall in the hospital was witnessed and recorded by medical staff. But of course you want to focus on the “200 demons” part.

How do you know the kid was just acting? Were you there? I don’t know about anybody else here but I would take the word of the medical staff over some random dude on the internet anyday.

First you lied and said that the report said nothing about the kid “levitating”, then I showed you where it says that it was witnessed, now you change your statement to “he was acting”.

Lmao?

 

[gnostic]

You misquote me. We discussed this. And your primary source in the OP talks about 200 demons, it's even in the original post.


You apparently take it as proof. You just don't understand that kids acting as if they were controlled by something isn't the same as them actually being controlled by demons. You may not believe in free will and such, but there's zero proof of levitation in that page 2. Are you aware of any other report that says something about kids levitating or is that it?


Yeah, it is hilarious and unbelievable that the article in the tabloid you quoted said it was 200 demons. Yet they did.

What I find funny is this “incident” took place 4 years ago, from a dubious article from a even more dubious publisher, that Hadar Judah used, and other that and a few other links (of supposed police and hospital reports), and yet no other headlines were made in the US, UK or any other parts of the world, and Hadar Judah expected everyone, atheists and theists, to take him and his articles, seriously?

C’mon now, if these were true, why haven’t this incident been heard before now. It has been silent since this so-called news have been brought up.

Had the news being true, there would be followed up news reporting, and media from all over the world would flocked to interview the family, the police and hospital staff, but no other reportings were ever made.

 

[Tazarah]

This thread is now a locked thread.

I cannot do a reply any more so I will just copy-and-paste what you and I wrote with the following replies.

This was my first post in “Are there Flat Earth believers here?” thread:


I wrote about Genesis claiming that God turned dust into first man, and thought that this was more myth or fairytale fantasy than reality, but your reply was this:



I did not mention “evolution”, and I certainly didn’t mention “ape” or “fish”. And I certainly did not bring up fossils. So basically your reply was nothing more than strawman.

I certainly wasn’t the one who brought up fish, you did when you replied to me.

Perhaps you have me confused with someone like Subduction Zone or ShadowWolf, because you mentioned fish with them. So I though perhaps you confused my reply with someone else.

And when you compare my reply with yours, you didn’t address my points at all.

And when I wrote this:



Again, I make no mention of evolution, fossils or fishes, but you again ignored my points with more strawman:



Again, you didn’t address my points.

I was talking about myths of other cultures about creation of human being made directly and instantly from clay (Khnum myth) or from stone (Pygmalion myth). Your respond was again to invent something else that I didn’t write about.

I wasn’t writing about evolution, fossils or fish, but you wanted to drag me into your arguments with others.

No, Hadar Judah. You made up some things that I didn’t write about. The only person lying here, is you.

The first response of mine that you just quoted was not directed towards you and that was obvious.

I remember you asked me if I myself believed that God created humans from dust and I said “yes” and I said “I believe it’s possible for him to have done that because he is the creator of the universe.”

I wonder why you left that part out?

And yes I mentioned fish because that is what you believe in right? Evolution, and that humans evolved from fish?... you obviously don’t believe in creation. And on top of that, the only reason I was mentioning fish evolving is because that’s what myself and subductio zone (and the other people) were talking about. You voluntary jumped into the conversation between myself and others, took their side, and then you become upset and accuse me of creating a straw man when I assume that you hold the same beliefs as them?

Lol, you are confused and you only have yourself to blame for that. You confused yourself. Everybody else understood what I was talking about and what my point was. You are the only person who claims that I was using a “straw man”.

 

[Tazarah]

Yeah it's quite disappointing. Though you can find the mother interviewed in one of the links in this thread. So I guess that's as much video as these 200 demons left...

Yes, keep ignoring the medical and police reports! Lmao.

 

[Tazarah]

Who are the multiple witnesses to levitating kids, what are their names.


Remember this was a source you used. Do you disagree with the source?

Why do you keep deflecting about what the reports say? Lmao.

 

[Tazarah]

What I find funny is this “incident” took place 4 years ago, from a dubious article from a even more dubious publisher, that Hadar Judah used, and other that and a few other links (of supposed police and hospital reports), and yet no other headlines were made in the US, UK or any other parts of the world, and Hadar Judah expected everyone, atheists and theists, to take him and his articles, seriously?

C’mon now, if these were true, why haven’t this incident been heard before now. It has been silent since this so-called news have been brought up.

Had the news being true, there would be followed up news reporting, and media from all over the world would flocked to interview the family, the police and hospital staff, but no other reportings were ever made.

Dubious?

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/01/25/the-disposession-of-latoya-ammons/4892553/

 

[Tazarah]

What I find funny is this “incident” took place 4 years ago, from a dubious article from a even more dubious publisher, that Hadar Judah used, and other that and a few other links (of supposed police and hospital reports), and yet no other headlines were made in the US, UK or any other parts of the world, and Hadar Judah expected everyone, atheists and theists, to take him and his articles, seriously?

C’mon now, if these were true, why haven’t this incident been heard before now. It has been silent since this so-called news have been brought up.

Had the news being true, there would be followed up news reporting, and media from all over the world would flocked to interview the family, the police and hospital staff, but no other reportings were ever made.

A bunch of credible sources reported on this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=aud...indy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

Lol... I don’t ever expect people with biased views to ever be capable of discussing things like this rationally.

P.S. ^ the audio is only a simple google search away (can be found on the above link). None of you geniuses ever thought of trying that before posting your nonsense/rhetoric?

 

[gnostic]

The first response of mine that you just quoted was not directed towards you and that was obvious.

I remember you asked me if I myself believed that God created humans from dust and I said “yes” and I said “I believe it’s possible for him to have done that because he is the creator of the universe.”

I wonder why you left that part out?

My first and original post that I quoted here was post numbered 683.

When you finally did address my original post, your reply, this post is 859.

It took you that long to respond and address my points.

Better late than never?

I have asked a number of times, and I made the points about again and again, but it took you 176 posts later to even respond to my original points.

You did reply to me a lot, but it was never about points I had made, but what you have made up about what I didn’t write about.

Here is a little advice to you. If you quote something from anyone, then address their points in your replies. Don’t quote me and talk about something else that has nothing to do with me or my points.

 

[Tazarah]

My first and original post that I quoted here was post numbered 683.

When you finally did address my original post, your reply, this post is 859.

It took you that long to respond and address my points.

Better late than never?

I have asked a number of times, and I made the points about again and again, but it took you 176 posts later to even respond to my original points.

You did reply to me a lot, but it was never about points I had made, but what you have made up about what I didn’t write about.

Here is a little advice to you. If you quote something from anyone, then address their points in your replies. Don’t quote me and talk about something else that has nothing to do with me or my points.

Want to know why it took me that long? Because I was talking to somebody else about something else and you jumped in the conversation taking sides and demanding that your questions be answered the way that you wanted them to be answered. You came causing all of that confusion and then accuse me of using a straw man? Lol, you are obviously still confused. I obviously had no interest in talking to you.

Here is a little advice to you — don’t quote me while I’m talking to somebody else, take their side, and become upset when I assume that you have the same views as them.

 

[Tazarah]

My first and original post that I quoted here was post numbered 683.

When you finally did address my original post, your reply, this post is 859.

It took you that long to respond and address my points.

Better late than never?

I have asked a number of times, and I made the points about again and again, but it took you 176 posts later to even respond to my original points.

You did reply to me a lot, but it was never about points I had made, but what you have made up about what I didn’t write about.

Here is a little advice to you. If you quote something from anyone, then address their points in your replies. Don’t quote me and talk about something else that has nothing to do with me or my points.

P.S. — here you go.

 

[gnostic]

Dubious?

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/01/25/the-disposession-of-latoya-ammons/4892553/

Your original post, you quoted from Daily Mail Online, not from the original source, Indianapolis Star.

It is still dubious, because other than two media, no other media reported this incident.

If the articles were true about demon possession and all, don’t you think there would be more media wanting to question the family, police and hospital?

Do you ever question that this mother wasn’t faking it or that she wasn’t delusional?

Why this story? And why do you want to focus on atheists?

Atheists are the only ones here to treat it with skepticism. Theists too have treated it with skepticism. So why focus on atheists?

I find your method of accepting paranormal stories wholeheartedly to be awfully naïve.