What do you feel is wrong with Islam?

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Well, not that we know for sure anything about Muhammed, but going by the Qu'ran, Hadiths and so forth, wasn't he a thief, a murderer and a rapist?

so where in the Quran and hadith does it say he is a thief meaning what was stolen? Murderer? Who was killed premeditately and without reason or cause, and who did he rape or who claimed the Muhammed raped her?

Can you give me that?

 

[Autodidact]

so where in the Quran and hadith does it say he is a thief meaning what was stolen? Murderer? Who was killed premeditately and without reason or cause, and who did he rape or who claimed the Muhammed raped her?

Can you give me that?

Let's take them one at a time. Since I have not read the Qu'ran, maybe you can help me out with cites.
Didn't Mohammed attack and kill 4 unarmed Quraysh merchants during the month of peace, Rejeb?
Didn't he raid a caravan of Meccans and then kill them when they defended their goods?
Didn't he lay seige to the Jews of Medina, the Banu Qaynuqa, and take their wealth?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

No Autodiact. He's perfect!

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Let's take them one at a time. Since I have not read the Qu'ran, maybe you can help me out with cites.
Didn't Mohammed attack and kill 4 unarmed Quraysh merchants during the month of peace, Rejeb?

No, Some of his companions did without his permission thinking it would please Allah and the messenger of Allah. He was upset and Allah sent down the ayat in the Quran in surah Baqarah 217. He would not even take from the booty. this is after Hijrah so find out what happened to the muslims in the first 13 years when he was in Mecca.

Didn't he raid a caravan of Meccans and then kill them when they defended their goods?

No, the caravan went another route but the army of 900 they gathered together decided to go out and try and destroy the muslims. so 314 muslims fought 900 of the Quraysh and won at the battle of Badr. Not to mention the fact that the caravan they were going to raid was the merchandise the quraish took from the muslims in mecca. You see when they kicked them out of Mecca. they took all their wealth, and then Abu Sufyan leader of the quraish, was sending this caravan to Syria to see all the muslims property. they was trying to get it back.

Didn't he lay seige to the Jews of Medina, the Banu Qaynuqa, and take their wealth?

this is only after they broke the treaty or agreement they had to protect one another in peace and wartime. to not conspire against one another. They could not fight amongst each other and they had to respect the rights of one another. the Jews of Banu Qaynuqa commited a crime against the muslims. Now they still even after agreeing to this covenant between one another they still mocked the messenger and tried to get the muslims tribes of the Ansar to fight one another. but they just let them slide on it. Now Banu Qaynuqa, they were the strongest of the jewish tribes because of their weapons. they were blacksmiths. What caused the muslims to lay seige to them is one day in the market place a muslim sister came to buy some jewlery in the market. while she was sittling waiting, some jewish men decided to make fun of her so while she was sitting they pinned her garment together so that when she stood up, she was exposed. they laughed and mocked at her, a muslim saw this and came to his sisters aid. He attacked the jew and killed him. some other jews jumped the muslim and they killed him. News got to the messenger and he immediately assembled the army. they layed seige and they locked themselves in their fortress. the head of the hypocrites Abdullah ibn Ubai came to the jews rescue and convinced the Messenger to have mercy on them and allow them to leave. So he did. they committed treason, against the Islamic state, and offended the dignity of a muslims women. that is something the Messenger of Allah will not stand for and the muslims are quick to defend the rights of a muslim sister collectively, and if someone had done that to a jew the same would have been done for them. for they made a covenant with them to protect them.

 

[Autodidact]

No, Some of his companions did without his permission thinking it would please Allah and the messenger of Allah. He was upset and Allah sent down the ayat in the Quran in surah Baqarah 217. He would not even take from the booty. this is after Hijrah so find out what happened to the muslims in the first 13 years when he was in Mecca.

No, the caravan went another route but the army of 900 they gathered together decided to go out and try and destroy the muslims. so 314 muslims fought 900 of the Quraysh and won at the battle of Badr. Not to mention the fact that the caravan they were going to raid was the merchandise the quraish took from the muslims in mecca. You see when they kicked them out of Mecca. they took all their wealth, and then Abu Sufyan leader of the quraish, was sending this caravan to Syria to see all the muslims property. they was trying to get it back.

this is only after they broke the treaty or agreement they had to protect one another in peace and wartime. to not conspire against one another. They could not fight amongst each other and they had to respect the rights of one another. the Jews of Banu Qaynuqa commited a crime against the muslims. Now they still even after agreeing to this covenant between one another they still mocked the messenger and tried to get the muslims tribes of the Ansar to fight one another. but they just let them slide on it. Now Banu Qaynuqa, they were the strongest of the jewish tribes because of their weapons. they were blacksmiths. What caused the muslims to lay seige to them is one day in the market place a muslim sister came to buy some jewlery in the market. while she was sittling waiting, some jewish men decided to make fun of her so while she was sitting they pinned her garment together so that when she stood up, she was exposed. they laughed and mocked at her, a muslim saw this and came to his sisters aid. He attacked the jew and killed him. some other jews jumped the muslim and they killed him. News got to the messenger and he immediately assembled the army. they layed seige and they locked themselves in their fortress. the head of the hypocrites Abdullah ibn Ubai came to the jews rescue and convinced the Messenger to have mercy on them and allow them to leave. So he did. they committed treason, against the Islamic state, and offended the dignity of a muslims women. that is something the Messenger of Allah will not stand for and the muslims are quick to defend the rights of a muslim sister collectively, and if someone had done that to a jew the same would have been done for them. for they made a covenant with them to protect them.

Not to be excessively skeptical, but how about if you just supply the verses and let us interpret them for ourselves?

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Not to be excessively skeptical, but how about if you just supply the verses and let us interpret them for ourselves?

Verses? What verses? And then let you interpret them for yourself? Interpret what, how do you interpret history? either the event took place or it did not. Either he said it or he did it? Explain how you interpret answers to questions about historical events?

 

[Captain Civic]

Verses? What verses? And then let you interpret them for yourself? Interpret what, how do you interpret history? either the event took place or it did not. Either he said it or he did it? Explain how you interpret answers to questions about historical events?

Autodidact is asking where you get the knowledge of these events. It's presumed you got them from verses in the Quran.

 

[Grappleberry Punch]

I love and agree with everything in the Qur'an, I find some hadith to be absolutely nasty and disagreeable.

" The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
3:48:326 Sahih Bukhari.

^^Wut^^

The reliance of some sects (and I know Islam doesnt really have sects like Christianity does) on scholars or w/e. I'm raised Baptist, and I hate the idea of scholars who interpret the religion for you, it goes against everything I believe about God. I remember a girl here (I think it was here...) was giving her interpretation of Qur'an, and it didn't have any contradictions in it, but people cut her off saying "Well do any scholars agree?". It's b/s to put it plainly, and it discourages free thought. If this is Islam, and Islam can only be understood through a scholar, then Islam is undeniably flawed.

 

[astarath]

And history just as theology is indeed free to interpretation as some leaders are held as great leaders to some and butchers to others. Interpretation is the beast of burden. I am not here to team up on you as I feel the focus of this line of thought bears no fruit. I do however find fault with the presumption that one as great as Muhammad would choose to sin due to exceptional circumstances... as the great messenger I feel he would have been prepared by God for these measures and not dealing with them after the transgression has passed. Thoughts?

 

[Autodidact]

Verses? What verses? And then let you interpret them for yourself? Interpret what, how do you interpret history? either the event took place or it did not. Either he said it or he did it? Explain how you interpret answers to questions about historical events?

I'm asking for the direct source of this information, rather than your second hand telling. Is it from the Qu'ran? Hadith? Please share. Thank you.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

I'm asking for the direct source of this information, rather than your second hand telling. Is it from the Qu'ran? Hadith? Please share. Thank you.

Combination of these sources reveal the entire scope of these events. The Qur'an may well allude to certain specific events, but it does not always tell the full story, as the full story is usually not the focus of what Allah is conveying through the verses. So when we tell a story with detail, not all the details come from Quran.

Just as a tip, all of Islam stems from Quran and hadith. Anything that is perported to be deen that cannot be substantiated through either hadith or Quran is dismissed no matter who says it. Scholars in Islam are not regarded as infallible at all. A scolar can be wayward as well as anyone else, and they are also to be back checked against Quran and sunnah. To go a step further, hadith are subject to this same measure. A hadith that could not be backed against Quran was not a hadith. I mean that when rasulullah would speak, he would often cite a verse of Quran to substantiate what he said in hadith.

 

[Autodidact]

Combination of these sources reveal the entire scope of these events. The Qur'an may well allude to certain specific events, but it does not always tell the full story, as the full story is usually not the focus of what Allah is conveying through the verses. So when we tell a story with detail, not all the details come from Quran.

Just as a tip, all of Islam stems from Quran and hadith. Anything that is perported to be deen that cannot be substantiated through either hadith or Quran is dismissed no matter who says it. Scholars in Islam are not regarded as infallible at all. A scolar can be wayward as well as anyone else, and they are also to be back checked against Quran and sunnah. To go a step further, hadith are subject to this same measure. A hadith that could not be backed against Quran was not a hadith. I mean that when rasulullah would speak, he would often cite a verse of Quran to substantiate what he said in hadith.

Great, now could you please provide us with the verses of the Qu'ran and hadith that describe these incidents? Thank you.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

What do you feel is wrong with Islam?

Idolatry---worship of belief rather than God

 

[Jon²]

What do you feel is wrong with Islam?

Nothing. It's the followers of the faith. Just as it is in any faith.

 

[astarath]

I am totally shocked that this thread is allowed to exist and I will be praying for an end to this question. As a Christian these blatant and empty questions do nothing to further any work of our Lord save boosting the arrogance of a select few! My apologies the all the Islamic believers on this site. I may not believe as you do but would never pick away at a belief as I would not desire to have that done to my own. Golden Rule of which all Christians should be aware!

 

[Autodidact]

I am totally shocked that this thread is allowed to exist and I will be praying for an end to this question. As a Christian these blatant and empty questions do nothing to further any work of our Lord save boosting the arrogance of a select few! My apologies the all the Islamic believers on this site. I may not believe as you do but would never pick away at a belief as I would not desire to have that done to my own. Golden Rule of which all Christians should be aware!

Yes, Christians should be very wary of throwing stones at Muslims or Mormons, lest their own glass houses be shattered.

 

[astarath]

However you will note I also stated I would not have this done to my own as well.
Your statement does suggest that you to have a glass house. I would rather be staring at a glass kingdom all in worship of God shining in the glorious rays of Yahweh than standing in the rubble of shattered faiths.

 

[Grappleberry Punch]

I am totally shocked that this thread is allowed to exist and I will be praying for an end to this question. As a Christian these blatant and empty questions do nothing to further any work of our Lord save boosting the arrogance of a select few! My apologies the all the Islamic believers on this site. I may not believe as you do but would never pick away at a belief as I would not desire to have that done to my own. Golden Rule of which all Christians should be aware!

:sarcastic

The thread is called "What do you think is wrong with Islam?" aka it's whole point is to talk about what is wrong with Islam. It was started by a Muslim, and it's more for their benefit than anything, because some of what is "wrong" is just blatantly made up or misunderstood. If I asked "What is wrong with Christianity?" (and there is plenty wrong with Christianity) I would want people's honest opinion. Wtf?

 

[astarath]

There is no benefit in throwing stones for any purpose. Muslims grow stronger through prayer and study of the Qu'ran don't they.

 

[Bishka]

Yes, Christians should be very wary of throwing stones at Muslims or Mormons, lest their own glass houses be shattered.

I'm curious, what does this have to do with the thread?