What do you feel is wrong with Islam?

[astarath]

You and I may agree in many of the errors that exist within Pauline Christianity. However my faith is not bound by the tenets of the Vatican nor the Protestant reformation. My faith as an ebionite follows the Law of the OT extrapolated by the teachings of Yeshua (pbuh). No *** is neccessary. My prayers are with you but I would encourage no Christian to share a Word of judgement on Islam lest they find themselves judged.

 

[Grappleberry Punch]

There is no benefit in throwing stones for any purpose. Muslims grow stronger through prayer and study of the Qu'ran don't they.

No one is "throwing stones" they are answering the question given in the OP. I'm sure they grow stronger through prayer and Qur'an, I know I do. It tops the Bible in many ways afaic. So what? The question wasn't "do Muslims grow stronger through reading the Qur'an?" Should I lie? Should I ignore the OP's question? Strong people won't be shaken in their faith from my observations they can only share what they think/know on the issue. What a concept.

 

[astarath]

Quite to the contrary minor statements such as It tops the bible in many ways or I will not mention the problems with Christianity of which there are many is exactly what casting stones is all about! I know this is not typical of Islam and will not mention it as a flaw of the faith but it is most unbecoming of those casting stones!

 

[Grappleberry Punch]

Quite to the contrary minor statements such as It tops the bible in many ways or I will not mention the problems with Christianity of which there are many is exactly what casting stones is all about! I know this is not typical of Islam and will not mention it as a flaw of the faith but it is most unbecoming of those casting stones!

What isn't typical of Islam? Though I waver around some, I'm currently Christian, I'm just honest in my feelings, in both the strengths/weaknesses of my religion and of others'. It's not "throwing stones", it's giving the honest answer to the question.

 

[astarath]

An honest opinion and judgement! As a brother in Christ have you removed the log from your own eye the you are free to comment honestly on the speck in Islam>?

 

[Grappleberry Punch]

An honest opinion and judgement! As a brother in Christ have you removed the log from your own eye the you are free to comment honestly on the speck in Islam>?
Uh, didn't I just say I am honest about the faults of my own religion? Didn't you just complain that I was "throwing stones" at Christianity for saying that the Qur'an is a better book than the Bible? And I remind you again, it was the question asked in the OP. Honest criticism or thoughts =/= "throwing stones", especially when negative thoughts are requested, and the fact that you confuse the two is rather scary. I'll pray for you.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

I'm asking for the direct source of this information, rather than your second hand telling. Is it from the Qu'ran? Hadith? Please share. Thank you.

Some events come from Quran but it does not go into detail only the relative information for understanding. Like the story of Adam we know he ate from the tree but are not specific on what he ate. Allah does not mention it because the knowledge really doesn't benefit you. Hadith from many of the classical sources. Now the scholars have taken from the Quran and the classical books of hadith and there are many, and in compiling the information for the seerah have taken out some of the weak hadith that may have gotten in there, so there is a great book by Ibn Kathir called the Life of Muhammed, there are others such as Ar-Raheeq al-Makhtum (the sealed nectar). it sights the books of hadith because there are many, Bukhari, Muslim, Fath al Bari, Abu Dawood, At tirmidhi, Ibn Hisham etc. etc. the scholars of old have went through the hadith and took the strongest ones. For weak hadith are not accepted unless with condition. So I am taking the information from a book compiled by the Fuqaha and their teachers. I hope this helps.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

What do you feel is wrong with Islam?

Idolatry---worship of belief rather than God

Please go to a thread that is discussing this issue and explain how exactly.

 

[K.Venugopal]

There's this news that a father killed his daughter for not wearing the hijab. Does this count as what is wrong with Islam?

Pakistani Canadian kills daughter over hijab

Toronto: A young Pakistani Canadian girl's refusal to wear the hijab cost her her life. Sixteen-year-old Aqsa Parvez was strangulated by her father Muhammad Parvez in their home in the suburb of Mississauga, police said.

Parvez, 57, called the police after the early morning incident on Monday. When police and ambulance reached the two-storey home in suburb, which is dominated by South Asians, they found the girl in an unconscious state.

She was rushed to a nearby hospital and later shifted to a hospital in Toronto and put on life support system. But it was of no avail. Aqsa died on Monday night.

Parvez was arrested and later remanded to police custody.

Aqsa's classmates at the local Applewood Heights Secondary School said the girl had problems with her family for some time as she refused to wear the hijab, the headdress worn by Muslim women in some countries.

On her father's insistence, they said, she would wear the hijab while leaving home only to replace it with trendy clothes when she reached school. They recalled how she would sometimes run to the washroom to change into modern dress.

The incident has shocked modern Muslims across Canada. Toronto-based Sonia Ahmed, who runs the Miss World Pakistan and grooms Pakistani-origin girls for Miss Bikini and other pageants, said angrily: "The hijab was never a part of Pakistani dress. It is an Arab imposition. This should be banned all over North America. This killer father will now think that he has done the `right thing', and he can now go to heaven and claim his 70 virgins. Hang him."

"Ninety-nine percent of our girls want to be free. But because of parental restrictions, they are forced to live dual lives. At home, they live as their parents want. But outside, they have all the fun," Ahmed told IANS.

For various reasons, she said, Pakistanis don't want to blend with Indians "whose culture is all dance and song. So they end up with the Arab immigrants. Hence, this Arab culture and hijab among Pakistanis".

"But we Pakistanis are South Asians and the South Asian culture is different. Zia-ul Haq started the hijabisation of Pakistan when started his Islamisation drive. He invited Arab Wahabi scholars who married Pakistani women and started the hijab tradition."

Ausma Khan, editor-in-chief of Muslim Girl magazine, was also outraged: "It is a tiny minority for whom the hijab is an issue. Many of our readers in the 18-24 age group say hijab is an expression of their personality. It is their choice, not anybody's imposition."

Opposing parental impositions on young girls, she said, "I am sure the tragedy will spark a debate on what is wrong with the Muslims and the issues surrounding the hijab. But this tragedy is an example of a cultural and generational conflict."

Source:IANS

 

[atomic47]

nothing is wrong with islam itself, it just has a few fanatical followers, like any religion

 

[Autodidact]

I'm curious, what does this have to do with the thread?

Well nothing really, I just threw it in there. : hamster :

 

[Bishka]

Well nothing really, I just threw it in there. : hamster :

That's what I figured.

 

[Mr Suspicious]

Not a lot, bit tricky to follow at times judging by the pickle some of those choose to follow it get into.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

Please go to a thread that is discussing this issue and explain how exactly.

Don't have to. It's self-evident.

 

[England my lionheart]

Imposing,stoneage,restrictive,sexist,bad clothes,sheeplike,but there is some glimmer of hope,a client of mine had two daughters and both wore the hajib,two years later i did some more work for them and one daughter no longer wore it and her father did'nt try to force her either and theother only wore it on certain occasions.In Britain there are many muslims and away from their country of origin they seem to lighten up,not all but i think a lot of muslim women see western women and the freedom they have is moving them towards freedom.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

There's this news that a father killed his daughter for not wearing the hijab. Does this count as what is wrong with Islam?

So are you implying that Islam permits this. So if Islam does not allow something and people do it can that be considered something in islam. So if Muslims worship Jesus as God is this also Islam? How can something that is not allowed in Islam be considered something wrong with it? Are you saying Islam should allow this injustice?

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Don't have to. It's self-evident.

Really? Based on what evidence?

Or are you just stating your opinion. Because without evidence that is all you are stating is an opinion.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Imposing,stoneage,restrictive,sexist,bad clothes,sheeplike,but there is some glimmer of hope,a client of mine had two daughters and both wore the hajib,two years later i did some more work for them and one daughter no longer wore it and her father did'nt try to force her either and theother only wore it on certain occasions.In Britain there are many muslims and away from their country of origin they seem to lighten up,not all but i think a lot of muslim women see western women and the freedom they have is moving them towards freedom.

Imposing? How when women must choose to wear it they cannot be forced.

Stoneage? don't people believe the people in the stoneages wore almost no clothes because they lived in caves as caveman. you know the way the darwinist and evolutionist describe the scenes of the ancients.

So as the amount of your clothes diminish your freedom increases. I guess strippers, porn stars, prostitutes, and nude bathers are the most free.

 

[England my lionheart]

Imposing? How when women must choose to wear it they cannot be forced.

Stoneage? don't people believe the people in the stoneages wore almost no clothes because they lived in caves as caveman. you know the way the darwinist and evolutionist describe the scenes of the ancients.

So as the amount of your clothes diminish your freedom increases. I guess strippers, porn stars, prostitutes, and nude bathers are the most free.

Is it true that some musilms force their women to wear the hajib,my point about stoneage is that along with some other religions,belongs in the past.
Sheeplike,well thats easy just look at suicide bombers or the different muslim factions in iraq or iran and its council of exerts and silly PM

 

[England my lionheart]

All these old books share something in common,4 or more people can read the same book and come up with different versions of it whether its the qur'an,bible etc.
There is'nt any unity in one of them because they are so open to interpretation this is clear from the many differing understandings of the qur'an and bible etc.
What is wrong with islam is its extremism and use of the qur'an to justify cold blooded murder by some who do not see the qur'an the same way as another muslim just as christianity used it five hundred years ago to justify itself when in the holy land or during the inqusition althoug islam was to blame aswell for the slaughter during the crucades.
I think christianity has grown up a lot more but in no way perfect however islam is where christianity was 500 years ago.