What do you know about Islam?

[Badran]

The high incidence of people apparently ignoring what I write, and apparently failing to understand what I write, does not dispose me to oblige.

Okay clearly you're not really into a serious discussion, or sharing anything positive. So, your conclusion is that Islam is a horrible religion, that commands it's followers to do horrible things, and kill everybody who disagrees with them, and should be illegal, and all muslims should go to prison. And that Christianity is a great religion, and anybody who does bad is not a true disciple of jesus, fine great.

Obviously, muslims disagree. There is not much left to be said here, right?

 

[kejos]

Okay clearly you're not really into a serious discussion

Though people who mention unspecified 'vitriolic and biased sources' are, presumably.

 

[Autodidact]

The high incidence of people apparently ignoring what I write, and apparently failing to understand what I write, does not dispose me to oblige.

Not only goading, but evasive. Great combo--keep it up.

 

[A-ManESL]

The high incidence of people apparently ignoring what I write, and apparently failing to understand what I write, does not dispose me to oblige.

Badran, do you know in which post the Quran was quoted by kejos? I am curious, for I went through the entire thread and couldnt find it.

Regards.

 

[Badran]

Though people who mention unspecified 'vitriolic and biased sources' are, presumably.

Who are you referring to? I mean who are you saying mentioned such sources, and on what subject?

 

[Badran]

Badran, do you know in which post the Quran was quoted by kejos? I am curious, for I went through the entire thread and couldnt find it.

Regards.

He didn't, i didn't miss a single post, and i'm pretty sure he didn't. If he did, i hope he'd refer to which post was that.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Originally Posted by kejos
Christianity forbids even resistance, let alone conquest.

If thats what christianity teaches, then it will be easy to conquest your lands, since we're horrible dangerous inhuman people

 

[ChristineES]

What do I know about Islam? In truth, not much. Only from what I have read in the Qur'an. I never lived in the Middle East, and there were not a lot of Muslims in any of my neighborhoods when I was growing up. That is why I refrain from judging them.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

That is why I refrain from judging them.

This is a very wise thing to do that a lot of people dont know how to practice

And just to give you a linked teaching of Islam to your post, which is to never speak without knowledge.

Thats a good and correct step towards understanding Islam

Best regards

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Okey, back to the original topic; since we've noticed that a lot of you know the basics of Islam such as Islam being based on monotheism, its sources are Quran and hadith , the 5 pillars of Islam (which no one mentionned precisely, and they are:

1 Testimmony that theres no God but ALlah and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his messenger
2 Praying the 5 daily prayers
3 Fasting the month of Ramadan
4 Paying Zakat ( Obligatory charity )
5 Performing Hajj if able finacially and physically from it

)

Now that we agreed on this, I would like to ask evryone about the teachings of ISlam they are aware of?

Thank you very much to every member who participated in this debate, and to those who will participate now

Best regards

 

[kejos]

Okey, back to the original topic; since we've noticed that a lot of you know the basics of Islam such as Islam being based on monotheism, its sources are Quran and hadith , the 5 pillars of Islam (which no one mentionned precisely, and they are:

1 Testimmony that theres no God but ALlah and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his messenger
2 Praying the 5 daily prayers
3 Fasting the month of Ramadan
4 Paying Zakat ( Obligatory charity )
5 Performing Hajj if able finacially and physically from it

How do these pillars differ from the Bible that Muhammad says was a distortion?

The Bible agrees about monotheism. The heretical teaching of a trinity is not Bible-based, and is a strawman for Muslims. Muslims misrepresent Christianity when they say that it says that God had a son, in a generated sense. The word 'son' means 'manifestation' in this context, and Jesus was the one God made flesh, in Christianity.

Praying, fasting, charity and pilgrimage are not anywhere accounted useful as means of justification by the Bible, though two of them are reckoned essential for a life of faith. Rather, it is faith that justifies, not good works, and Abraham's only real distinction is that he was justified by his faith. This was made possible only by the atonement of a perfect person, whose perfection is attributed to those with faith.

Now Islam offers no evidence that the Bible's view is incorrect- it merely contradicts it. As fasting, prayer and charity are common practices in other religions such as Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, Islam has little distinctive to offer- except the contradiction of Christianity, and this indeed seems to be the main preoccupation of Western Muslims at least.

 

[A-ManESL]

How do these pillars differ from the Bible that Muhammad says was a distortion?

The Bible agrees about monotheism. The heretical teaching of a trinity is not Bible-based, and is a strawman for Muslims. Muslims misrepresent Christianity when they say that it says that God had a son, in a generated sense. The word 'son' means 'manifestation' in this context, and Jesus was the one God made flesh, in Christianity.

Praying, fasting, charity and pilgrimage are not anywhere accounted useful as means of justification by the Bible, though two of them are reckoned essential for a life of faith. Rather, it is faith that justifies, not good works, and Abraham's only real distinction is that he was justified by his faith. This was made possible only by the atonement of a perfect person, whose perfection is attributed to thosed with faith.

Now Islam offers no evidence that the Bible's view is incorrect- it merely contradicts it. As fasting, prayer and charity are common practices in other religions such as Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, Islam has little distinctive to offer- except the contradiction of Christianity, and this indeed seems to be the main preoccupation of Western Muslims at least.

How does Islam contradict Bible's view in your opinion?

 

[Autodidact]

How do these pillars differ from the Bible that Muhammad says was a distortion?

The Bible agrees about monotheism. The heretical teaching of a trinity is not Bible-based, and is a strawman for Muslims. Muslims misrepresent Christianity when they say that it says that God had a son, in a generated sense. The word 'son' means 'manifestation' in this context, and Jesus was the one God made flesh, in Christianity.

Oh, baloney. Ask the next Christian you meet whether Jesus is the son of God. Now look up "son" in any dictionary on earth and see whether "manifestation" is one of the definitions.

Praying, fasting, charity and pilgrimage are not anywhere accounted useful as means of justification by the Bible, though two of them are reckoned essential for a life of faith. Rather, it is faith that justifies, not good works, and Abraham's only real distinction is that he was justified by his faith. This was made possible only by the atonement of a perfect person, whose perfection is attributed to those with faith.

You do realize you have contradicted yourself, right?

Now Islam offers no evidence that the Bible's view is incorrect- it merely contradicts it. As fasting, prayer and charity are common practices in other religions such as Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, Islam has little distinctive to offer- except the contradiction of Christianity, and this indeed seems to be the main preoccupation of Western Muslims at least.

Self-centered much?

So Islam is the exact same as Christianity, except that it exists to contradict it? Is that right?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

How do these pillars differ from the Bible that Muhammad says was a distortion?

The Bible agrees about monotheism. The heretical teaching of a trinity is not Bible-based, and is a strawman for Muslims. Muslims misrepresent Christianity when they say that it says that God had a son, in a generated sense. The word 'son' means 'manifestation' in this context, and Jesus was the one God made flesh, in Christianity.

Praying, fasting, charity and pilgrimage are not anywhere accounted useful as means of justification by the Bible, though two of them are reckoned essential for a life of faith. Rather, it is faith that justifies, not good works, and Abraham's only real distinction is that he was justified by his faith. This was made possible only by the atonement of a perfect person, whose perfection is attributed to those with faith.

Now Islam offers no evidence that the Bible's view is incorrect- it merely contradicts it. As fasting, prayer and charity are common practices in other religions such as Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, Islam has little distinctive to offer- except the contradiction of Christianity, and this indeed seems to be the main preoccupation of Western Muslims at least.

DId I say anywhere ANYWHERE that Iam comparing Quran and Bible ? Can you please please, Im begging, stay for once on the topic??

Pleaaase, go start other threads and we'll be more than happy to answer your questions, just stop hijacking my thread. :shout

Best regards

 

[Onkara]

Hi Fatima,
To whom do Muslims pay the Zakat? To the mosque? How much is it usually?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Hello Onkarah, nice to see you back in here

The Zakat is payed to poor people, if there arent any ( it happened in the past), it is used for anything that help and improve the situation of citizen ( marrying young people, building service buldings etc)

Usually it is 2.5 percent of the share capital ( is it the right word??) if it wasnt touched for a year , and if it is greater than a certain amount of money.

It does not include only money, it also include cows , camels and similar.

I cant give you more details, as Im not the one who counts the zakat we should pay (my father does ) , but if you're interested I'll try to find you a reliable source on the subject Inshallah

Best regards

 

[kejos]

DId I say anywhere ANYWHERE that Iam comparing Quran and Bible ?

No, but Muhammad did so as an important part of his message. Islam cannot be described as Abrahamic in any sense.

 

[A-ManESL]

No, but Muhammad did so as an important part of his message. Islam cannot be described as Abrahamic in any sense.

But where does Islam say it contradicts the Bible. On the contrary, we have the verse:

Say (O Muslims): We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.-2:136

and also,

Those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians and Sabeans,
[in fact] anyone who believes in God and the Last Day, and acts
honorably will receive their earnings from their Lord: no fear will lie
upon them nor need they feel saddened-2:62

Regards.

 

[Onkara]

Hello Onkarah, nice to see you back in here

The Zakat is payed to poor people, if there arent any ( it happened in the past), it is used for anything that help and improve the situation of citizen ( marrying young people, building service buldings etc)

Usually it is 2.5 percent of the share capital ( is it the right word??) if it wasnt touched for a year , and if it is greater than a certain amount of money.

It does not include only money, it also include cows , camels and similar.

I cant give you more details, as Im not the one who counts the zakat we should pay (my father does ) , but if you're interested I'll try to find you a reliable source on the subject Inshallah

Best regards

Thank you Fatima, for both the answer and your warm welcome.
I am satisfied with your answer

 

[*Anne*]

Pleaaase, go start other threads and we'll be more than happy to answer your questions, just stop hijacking my thread. :shout

I would suggest putting a thread like this in a non-debate forum. That might cut down on the heated discussions.