What do you think of Trump?

[Katzpur]

this is both funny and full of truth. love the bawbag

That was absolutely HILARIOUS!!!!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

She's not the same.....just lower.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Rationally, there is no honestly say she is lower and have facts to back it up. If we had Hillary, we wouldn't be looking at one of our greatest **** stains on history since FDR and the Japanese internment camps. But, even then, America was at war against Japan and the Japanese weren't pooling from American citizens in order to carry out acts of terrorism. NGOs that mention abortion would still have funding. She wouldn't have put a shady propagandist/media personality with the highest ranking security meetings. She wasn't mocking and taunting people. She wasn't telling people to watch a non-existent sex tape of someone she got into a flaming war with at 3 in the morning. She wasn't the one who said when you're famous you can do anything sexually to someone--including grabbing their genitals--and they'll let you and they'll let you just because you're famous. She also isn't named in thousands of law suits.
Trump has the damning record he had before this campaign, and he campaigned in a way that is more appropriate for a WWE performer. Hillary isn't perfect, but rationally there is no putting Trump ahead of Hillary. To use your own measurement of "evil," Hillary has a far greater record or moral and ethical behavior than Trump. But people would rather believe a former regular uniformed former Secret Service guy who just could not have been where he said he was.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Rationally, there is no honestly say she is lower and have facts to back it up.

Au contraire, I've given reasons.
You just disagree.
The candidates & their relationship with the issues makes things complex.
We weight the various risks differently, eg, you look more at LGBT stuff,
while I look more at gun rights. We can both be rational, & still disagree.

 

[Spiderman]

That was absolutely HILARIOUS!!!!

I'll have to watch it

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Au contraire, I've given reasons.

You've given points that are moot and concerns guns (even though you wouldn't have had them taken away), and concerns over regulation, but we've been so destructive we need them. We've squandered our resources like a drunken sailor spends money, and now we do need saving from ourselves. Trump, on the other hand, is clearing the way for further environmental degradation, as well as the seizing of privately owned property from American citizens to be given to a private foreign entity for their own private gain.
Trump's not even been in for a full month and he is already showing he has no regard or care for procedure or even the Constitution.

 

[Revoltingest]

You've given points that are moot and concerns guns (even though you wouldn't have had them taken away), and concerns over regulation, but we've been so destructive we need them. We've squandered our resources like a drunken sailor spends money, and now we do need saving from ourselves. Trump, on the other hand, is clearing the way for further environmental degradation, as well as the seizing of privately owned property from American citizens to be given to a private foreign entity for their own private gain.
Trump's not even been in for a full month and he is already showing he has no regard or care for procedure or even the Constitution.

Sure, sure, Trump is troublesome.
But in the context of voting, his faults had to be compared with Hillary's.
Citing a litany of his doesn't sanitize hers.

 

[Spiderman]

Sure, sure, Trump is troublesome.
But in the context of voting, his faults had to be compared with Hillary's.
Citing a litany of his doesn't sanitize hers.

That is an excellent point. Trump's critics are often silent about Her defects.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Citing a litany of his doesn't sanitize hers.

True, but it makes it very clear that the faults of Trump heavily outweigh the faults of Hillary.

 

[Revoltingest]

True, but it makes it very clear that the faults of Trump heavily outweigh the faults of Hillary.

You realize that we have a difference of opinion about that?
A judgement about which candidate is worse is just an opinion...not factual.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You realize that we have a difference of opinion about that?
A judgement about which candidate is worse is just an opinion...not factual.

Actually, I'm pretty sure there is sufficient factual evidence to support the claim that Trump is worse than Hillary. And not just in quantity. Hillary doesn't run the scams, doesn't cheat people out of money and stick them with the bill, she doesn't live in her own world of make believe, and she isn't a narcissist. And she also doesn't mock people who challenge her, and she has healthy thick layer of skin.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, I'm pretty sure there is sufficient factual evidence to support the claim that Trump is worse than Hillary. And not just in quantity. Hillary doesn't run the scams, doesn't cheat people out of money and stick them with the bill, she doesn't live in her own world of make believe, and she isn't a narcissist. And she also doesn't mock people who challenge her, and she has healthy thick layer of skin.

You list many reasons you prefer her to Trump.
This is the total picture from which to evaluate both?
I say....
Hubris!

 

[metis]

Actually, I'm pretty sure there is sufficient factual evidence to support the claim that Trump is worse than Hillary.

The reality based on what we know, thus not speculating, is that he's far worse. She's not been indicted or had to pay a fine on anything that she's done, but the same certainly is not true of Trump as he's had to pay three fines just in the last year (2 misuse of campaign funds and 1 with the Trump University fiasco).

And then there's the moral issues with the Groper-In-Chief.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And then there's the moral issues with the Groper-In-Chief.

Another fine example of where Trump supporters play the mental gymnastics to bring Hillary on par with Trump because somehow they want to believe that Hillary is responsible for the actions of her husband. Bill may be a womanizer, but Hillary is not and she certainly isn't partying with a convicted pedophile and having charges of having sex with a minor brought against her (or numerous allegations of rape). They want to pretend Hillary is the "ebul queen" over her email, but they just refuse to see and acknowledge that she's not the only one to violate such electronic policies, and there are in fact so many people who have been caught violating it that is seems we need to evaluate these policies of electronic device use and communications before nailing anyone to the wall for violating them. Yes, she did vote for the second war in Iraq, and she gave us no real reason to believe we'd change course in the Middle East, and she is still pretty corporate friendly, but Trump made it clear he was all for going full steam ahead with continued Middle East conflicts, and there is also his dishonesty (frequently lies by omission) when it comes to his own business ties, relations, and even what his own wealth is at (something the foreign banks he does business with estimate to be less than $1 billion).

 

[Revoltingest]

Another fine example of where Trump supporters play the mental gymnastics to bring Hillary on par with Trump because somehow they want to believe that Hillary is responsible for the actions of her husband.

It takes "mental gymnastics" to ignore Hillary's shortcomings, & to believe that she's
actually better than Trump. This is worse than the ubiquitous leftish claim of false
equivalency....it's the blind trust in her, & rabid need to trash Trump.
The rationale....
"Trump is bad, therefore Hillary is better."
.....just doesn't fly.
Do you like useless deadly wars, higher taxes, bogus promises of free college, bigger
government, massive corruption, utter incompetence, Bill as First Gentleman, misandry,
& pantsuits becoming the latest fashion rage?
Then she's your gal.

Caution:
This post is for fun.
If the left cannot or will not understand our motives, then I'll respond in kind.

 

[idav]

That is an excellent point. Trump's critics are often silent about Her defects.

Most of the significant defects against Hillary were false propaganda. There is no silence there. FBI was very vocal about not wanting Hillary.

 

[idav]

You list many reasons you prefer her to Trump.
This is the total picture from which to evaluate both?
I say....
Hubris!

The total picture is who I would trust more with my son and daughter.

 

[idav]

Actually, I'm pretty sure there is sufficient factual evidence to support the claim that Trump is worse than Hillary. And not just in quantity. Hillary doesn't run the scams, doesn't cheat people out of money and stick them with the bill, she doesn't live in her own world of make believe, and she isn't a narcissist. And she also doesn't mock people who challenge her, and she has healthy thick layer of skin.

The real truth is what people don't want to say, the people who voted for Trump are likely the same 50% of US who thinks it should be illegal for a wife to keep her last name. I really thought we were passed that kind of stuff.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The real truth is what people don't want to say, the people who voted for Trump are likely the same 50% of US who thinks it should be illegal for a wife to keep her last name. I really thought we were passed that kind of stuff.

Not entirely or exclusively, but we probably would find that the majority of Trump supporters probably do agree, strongly or just regular agree, that a woman should be legally required to take her husband's last name. I knew we weren't over that, and thought it mostly an "old people thing," but it stuns me to see the number that high. It may not come out to the same number if they did it again, but that they got it that high in one poll is telling.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If the left cannot or will not understand our motives, then I'll respond in kind.

I understand the motives. However, a few of your points are moot, untrue, or not considering what "your side" will result in; such as you mention higher taxes, despite anti-tax Republicans having a habit of cutting taxes and inflating the budget (something that should have been obvious with Trump's plan). Yeah, they both wanted war, but Hillary most likely would not have left permanent residents and visa holders detained and stranded overseas.

 

[metis]

Another fine example of where Trump supporters play the mental gymnastics to bring Hillary on par with Trump because somehow they want to believe that Hillary is responsible for the actions of her husband. Bill may be a womanizer, but Hillary is not and she certainly isn't partying with a convicted pedophile and having charges of having sex with a minor brought against her (or numerous allegations of rape). They want to pretend Hillary is the "ebul queen" over her email, but they just refuse to see and acknowledge that she's not the only one to violate such electronic policies, and there are in fact so many people who have been caught violating it that is seems we need to evaluate these policies of electronic device use and communications before nailing anyone to the wall for violating them. Yes, she did vote for the second war in Iraq, and she gave us no real reason to believe we'd change course in the Middle East, and she is still pretty corporate friendly, but Trump made it clear he was all for going full steam ahead with continued Middle East conflicts, and there is also his dishonesty (frequently lies by omission) when it comes to his own business ties, relations, and even what his own wealth is at (something the foreign banks he does business with estimate to be less than $1 billion).

I hear ya, which is the reason why I voted for Bernie in the primary and why I considered voting for Stein in the election until it became obvious that Trump might win.