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What Happens When You Die?

serp777

serp777

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Wow this guy op posted is like a jedi or something, but with only one power. He has mastered the art of being cryptic and ambiguous, so as to not convey any useful information whatsoever
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
atanu said:
If there is no difference between Brahman and mAyA, then why are you straining?
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I originally used the ocean/wave metaphor to say that the wave is none other than the ocean. That is when YOU strained, not I. Do you wish for me to present the evidence?

That Brahman and mAyA are two different conceptions, two different words, indicate that they are not same. mAyA is an effect. Brahman is Sat.
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Brahman and maya are not concepts.

I am really amazed that you are bent upon changing the meanings of Brahman and Maya.
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I am changing nothing. The meanings remain the same. That does not change the fact that maya is none other than Brahman itself. Perhaps Vivekananda's words, once again, will show you:

'The universe [ie maya] is [none other than] The Absolute [ie Brahman] as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation'
(bracketed words are mine)

We can modify that for other metaphors:

'The snake is the rope as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation'

or....

'The wave is the Ocean as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation'

I assume by your continuing protest that you think Brahman and maya to be different. They are different only in your conceptual view of them. In reality, there is no 'this and that', 'self and other', no duality. Brahman is the only True Reality. The very moment you deviate from that in an effort to define something apart from Brahman, you are in the realm of duality.


It is the conditioned Brahman (called ISHWAR), by whom the
universe has been created, and by whom, after being created, it is sustained and into whom in the end, it is absorbed. Creation, preservation and destruction are the activities of the conditioned Brahman or the personal God which can never affect His transcendental nature; they are mere waves on the surface of the ocean which cannot touch the serenity of its immeasurable depths.

According to the non-dualistic Vedanta, this conditioning of
Brahman is not real, but only apparent. The conditioned
Brahman is a part of the phenomenal world and appears to
be real as long as the universe is regarded as real. In the
infinite ocean of pure consciousness, He is the biggest wave.
But the unconditioned Brahman and the conditioned Brahman are not two realities. The wave is not essentially different from the ocean; the sea is the same sea, whether it is peaceful or agitated.

The conditioned Brahman is called ISHWAR (the Lord), because He is the all powerful Lord of all, the ruler of the universe. He, the Lord, is the bestower of blessings, the adorable God.

Vedanta philosophy often uses the word MAYA to describe
the creation. Maya, which is not essentially different from
Brahman, is the material cause, and Brahman, as pure
intelligence, is the efficient cause of the universe. After
projecting all material forms, Brahman enters into them as
life and consciousness and animates them. Thus Brahman,
which is transcendental, becomes immanent in the universe.

http://www.hinduism.co.za/newpage12.htm
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
'mud said:
After you die....that's the question !
You won't care about Brahman or maya or any mytholigical set of beliefs,
YOU WILL BE DEAD.....ALL THOSE SUPPOSITIONS WILL BE OVER...YOU WILL BE DEAD !
There's only one real question...have you been good or bad...what memories will you leave behind.
There are other mytholigies...heaven, hell, pergutory(sic), burial, or burning.
Of course the "spirit", gnosis, leaves the body, or I'm told that.
You all can believe all of that crap if want to, but you'll be just memories to someone else.
Said it before...said it again...memories.
~
'mud
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You are referring only to the state of Identification, which is temporal. If you take a closer look, however, you will find consciousness to not be centered in Time and Space, where the temporal dwells. Therefore, if consciousness is intemporal, it must be beyond life and death, and memory. IOW, your true nature, which is pure consciousness before your temporal identity was formed, is Unborn. It exists always because it is outside of Time and Space; outside of history; outside of memory. Memory is only the traces, the fossilzed remains, of Identification. The wake of a ship is in the past, while the ship is the cutting edge.

The Human Route

Coming empty-handed,
going empty-handed -- that is human.
When you are born, where do you come from?
When you die, where do you go?
Life is like a floating cloud which appears.
Death is like a floating cloud which disappears.
The floating cloud itself originally does not exist.
Life and death, coming and going, are also like that.
But there is one thing which always remains clear.
It is pure and clear, not depending on life and death.
Then what is the one pure and clear thing?

Zen Master Seung Sahn
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
AlphaAlex115 said:
So one day a fly could become the new Einstein?
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A flly cannot become the new Einstein. If you are thinking in terms of the fly or the human as possessing a personal consciousness called "I", those kinds of questions might arise. But if you think instead that fly and human (and everything else) are actions on the part of the universe, and that the individual consciousness we call "I" is nothing more than an illusion, then no, nothing becomes anything else. A fly or human dies and their material becomes transformed into other forms, but there is no inherent personal self that goes on to become something or someone else.

The key, whether you believe in reincarnation or not, is the existence of the personal self, or "I". Look at that first, and determine whether it is real or not. Then you can answer the other questions.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Thief said:
No two people share any one perspective.
The unique experience dealt by unique existence cannot be circumvented.
Conflict is inevitable.

You are who you are BECAUSE you have one point of existence.

I see no means to say you are one with all things.
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You have one body, but within that one body there are many, many events occurring via several systems and organs. None of these events are possible without the other events also occurring. None are separate from the one body.

Just as no two snowflakes are alike, so it is with all of the other myriad forms of the phenomenal world. However, all snowflakes are made of one substance, water. Though we are seemingly unique one from the other, we are all still universally human in character. We all possess universal consciousness, though it is sculpted into different identities. See beyond the temporal identity, and you and I will see the exact same Reality. Why should it be any different?

'The saltiness of the sea is the same everywhere'
 
religion99

religion99

Active Member
godnotgod said:
You have one body, but within that one body there are many, many events occurring via several systems and organs. None of these events are possible without the other events also occurring. None are separate from the one body.

Just as no two snowflakes are alike, so it is with all of the other myriad forms of the phenomenal world. However, all snowflakes are made of one substance, water. Though we are seemingly unique one from the other, we are all still universally human in character. We all possess universal consciousness, though it is sculpted into different identities. See beyond the temporal identity, and you and I will see the exact same Reality. Why should it be any different?

'The saltiness of the sea is the same everywhere'
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Please define 'universal consciousness'
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
A flly cannot become the new Einstein. If you are thinking in terms of the fly or the human as possessing a personal consciousness called "I", those kinds of questions might arise. But if you think instead that fly and human (and everything else) are actions on the part of the universe, and that the individual consciousness we call "I" is nothing more than an illusion, then no, nothing becomes anything else. A fly or human dies and their material becomes transformed into other forms, but there is no inherent personal self that goes on to become something or someone else.

The key, whether you believe in reincarnation or not, is the existence of the personal self, or "I". Look at that first, and determine whether it is real or not. Then you can answer the other questions.
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Just curious. Do you believe in reincarnation of any sort?
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
AlphaAlex115 said:
I sincerely apologise. I thought op was a person. I'm so sorry sir, forgive me for I am ignorant when it comes to the Internet.
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Don't be bothered by any of this. No one knows everything, and those who pretend love to condescend to others. You have nothing to be sorry for. Please stay. ;)
 
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