I have to believe in justice to post in a religious forum?
Doubt all you want.
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What If Everyone Is "Right"?
- Thread starter doppelganger
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Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
No, you are a person who believes in justice (as you confirmed this in an earlier post) who posts in a religious forum.
So yeah, I will doubt away...
Where did I say this?
You said people had an innate desire for Justice. If this was true, people would still have their own opinions on what Justice is. I was talking about a type of Justice that is provable
madhatter85
Transhumanist
Justice: The administering of deserved punishment or reward.
other than that, in the dictionary it defines it as "Just"
Just -
adjective
1.guided by truth, reason, justice, and fairness: We hope to be just in our understanding of such difficult situations.
2.done or made according to principle; equitable; proper: a just reply.
3.based on right; rightful; lawful: a just claim.
4.in keeping with truth or fact; true; correct: a just analysis.
5.given or awarded rightly; deserved, as a sentence, punishment, or reward: a just penalty.
6.in accordance with standards or requirements; proper or right: just proportions.
7.(esp. in Biblical use) righteous.
8.actual, real, or genuine.
"Justice" and what is "Just" can onyl be described by ones own perception of what is right and what is wrong.
That's what I was talking about.
Jeremiah
Well-Known Member
Justice as in vengeance? Or moral justice?
One could say the anger that fuels vengeance is innate.
But as to what is moral; is it taught or innate?
Perhaps things are only wrong because we see them as wrong.
Sounds like a major oversimplification to me. Is 40 degrees hot or cold? Is 170 lbs. heavy or light? There are far more instances where there is neither black nor white, rather various shades of gray. This is also true in theology, whether you like it or not.
athanasius
Well-Known Member
I am still sticking to my original post which I believe would hold up very well in court. I will post it again since many understood what I was saying.
"This forum proves the Subject to be false. Because if everyone is right, and I say that is not correct, then by your own admission I would also be right. But you cannot have everyone be right and not everyone be right. So one of us must be wrong. Case closed. It' not logical to say everything is right, and this forum proves it quite practically."
"This forum proves the Subject to be false. Because if everyone is right, and I say that is not correct, then by your own admission I would also be right. But you cannot have everyone be right and not everyone be right. So one of us must be wrong. Case closed. It' not logical to say everything is right, and this forum proves it quite practically."
madhatter85
Transhumanist
I have to disagree "God cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance"
(or somethign to that effect.)
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
You might as well ask, "What if the beliefs of a suicide bomber was as legitimate as Christ's?"
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Or "Are the beliefs of a KKK member as legitimate as Muhammad's?"
Or "Are mine as legitimate as yours?"
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
Quite right! From a dualistic point of view, beliefs can never be more than relative to the actual, but if there is no actual, no "absolute," all beliefs are equally legitimate.Or "Are the beliefs of a KKK member as legitimate as Muhammad's?"
Or "Are mine as legitimate as yours?"
"Saying everyone is special is just another way of saying no one is." (Dash)
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
That's a great line.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
To whom? To the suicide bomber? I'll bet he would think they are. And since he's the one with the detonator, his opinion is the one that's going to matter the most.
What if Heaven is not the only destination after life? The Bible says, have no other God's before me. If no other God's exisited, there would not be a need for this statement in the Bible.
Kungfuzed
Student Nurse
So, somewhere out in the world there should be an Anti-madhatter85? If something were to happen to your alter ego would you also cease to exist? Is there an Anti-Mona Lisa to counter Leonardo Davinci's painting? All adjectives are a creation of the human imagination. Perhaps its just a flaw in our language that makes some believe that everything has an opposite.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
But there surely is a "not-Madhatter85," that is, everything but what "Madhatter85" is defined to be.
When I define myself, there is my "Self" and everything else, which is "not-Self." Something "opposite"--as in "opposing" or in "opposition to"--is one of those quirky little linguistic tricks that trip us up from time to time.
A college philosophy professor asked my class once, "What is the opposite of chocolate." We immediately answered "Vanilla!" So the inevitable question: How is vanilla opposing chocolate?
How is everything "not-Madhatter85" opposing "Madhatter85"? How is "truth" opposing "false"?
madhatter85
Transhumanist
Amen!
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...plurality-gods-mankinds-potential-become.html
for a debate on that!
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
That's the point.doppelgänger;927178 said: