Do you believe the idea of peace is zero conflicts, or something else?
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What if we accepted each other's religion?
- Thread starter loverofhumanity
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Everyone is a human being. all people are equal human beings. All have equal rights and to be treated with dignity and courtesy. I want everyone to feel welcome here and there are NO exclusions on any grounds of race, religion, nationality or personal preferences. I would expect that any Bahai that did act in a prejudicial manner to be counselled as it is against our teachings to discriminate. For instance. Politicians cannot become Baha'is but that does not give us a pretext to slander them. The same with anyone else. Respect and courtesy.
Why would you want to have that? Explain.
You failed to include in that list sexual orientations. Personal preferences are things like liking Wendy's over McDonald's, not how nature defines their sexual orientation.
So you're saying someone who is born a homosexual, the way you are born a hetrosexual, is not allowed to become a Bahai? How in God's name is that going to work in creating a one-world-religion? Do you plan to educate them into become hetrosexuals?
We've never had peace before so no ones an expert on peace yet. But remaining united, steering away from conflict and confrontation and emphasising the positive and supporting and cooperating with one another are elements of peace and unity. But a society that has no justice can have no peace. To have peace you must have unity and to have unity you must have justice. Where there is injustice there is never peace so a peaceful society must have as its foundation - justice- which it has never ever yet had since time began. For Baha'is justice is the most important aspect of a peaceful, united world.
Whose idea of justice? ISIS has ideas of justice that include beheadings for anyone who has a dissenting opinion of their interpretation of their religion. To them that's justice. To you it's not. Whose idea is the one to prevail?
I completely disagree with this. One can know peace and be peace in the face of injustice. There has been plenty standards of justice throughout every society that has ever been. Which standard are you referring to? And furthermore, what does "peace" mean to you?
What if I disagree with your standard of what qualifies as justice? Do you support capital punishment? Many see that as justice, whereas I see that as vengeance and not justice at all. I consider it a sin. Again, who determines what is justice? Consensus? Your religious prophet?
Why shouldn't a homosexual be allowed to join? It's up to them if they feel it's right for them or not.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
But you cant have god in the picture. And respect for each others faiths goes beyond tolerance. It means co-existing and accepting contradictory values you dont share. For example, if a luciferian morals can help bring peace just as Christ and Buddha, can you reconcile peace comes from many sources not just god?
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Yeah. We do. Setting up your book of correspondance, following the god/s of your chosen mythology from your mythology (etc), finding the lessons nature teaches and actually not practicing chaos magic but a strong interconnection with your faity with external principals, objects or god/s of worships (say whst they ask you to offer), wiccan rites to druid ceremonies.
Yes, this is all dogma. It makes up what we call religion. And through religion we live in, we live our Paths and see your faith (or whatever you want to call it) as your joourney.
Unless your path is Just an interest like a hobby, most religions have dogma. Its not a nasty word.
It's society, the world that has to make these choices. Not us. You guys decide what kind of a world you want. We are building a world community with a cross section of humanity based upon the teachings of Baha'u'llah and if the world likes it and wants to copy it as a model fine. If it hates it and doesn't want it fine. We are not here to impose our ways on anyone. We get our laws and administration and charters from Baha'u'llah and apply them to ourselves only. You decide what justice and peace you want to live by. It would help if you read something as the Baha'i Faith is an entirely new paradigm and consciousness. In our Holy Book there's the choice of life imprisonment or capital punishment. In our world the teachings of Baha'u'llah decide what justice is but our world is United and at peace while yours is at war and conflict and divided.
What looks like dogma is a tendency to take a "you're doing it wrong" stance by many Heathens. This is because Heathenry is considered orthopraxic, not "orthodoxic". This is based on what archaeology seems to indicate.
I daresay this is because there are no scriptures or governing body; there is no "Ásapope". Rather, there are descriptions and examples of what "arch-Heathens" did and how they did it. What we believe is based on the gathered Lore and extrapolating from what the arch-Heathens did. We really don't know what Ólafr Björnsson and his wife Ingrid Thórsdóttir (fictitious names) believed.
But it works for the Baha'is. They're from a cross section of humanity and it just works.
A united family is better than one broken up and warring with each other. If one day we could all come together and be united what's wrong with that?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Like minded individuals in any backwater insignificant group, religious or otherwise, can make the same empty claim. At least you are able to get along with each other --- as long as no one steps out of line, of course. The huge problem for all of these so-called "unity" notions is that they fail to take into consideration human nature. The Bahia's dream only works because you are all sharing the same hallucination. Ditto Islam... ditto Christianity... etc... etc...
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
True. Id consider thjs dogma (above) too. Its like the word atheist. People keep thinking to be an atheist you cant believe in the supernatual, evolution needs to be in the mix, and so forth.
A lot of hot words like Dogma need not be associated with Abrahamic religions. I know many came from christian background and that may influence their view of certain words. Im not a mythological Pagan (if thats the term) so I see just as I see in other religions and my own. We have ways of worship. We have how. Some of have when. Many of us have why.
We dont need sacred scripture etc for the rituals and teachings of our paths to be considered dogma. Personal preference in wording (cause I cant think of another) not incorrect.
It will depend on the price paid for that unity, as well as what is gained from it.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
What strikes my funny bone is that I am almost totally against these infantile ideas about so-called "world peace". Count your lucky stars that I am a pacifist.
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Same here.
It is usually not even a particularly well-informed or honest approach. I would have a lot more respect for the Bahai Faith if it just accepted already that it is an Abrahamic Faith struggling to be perceived as the most recent and complete interaction of same.
Not that it would be very convincing, but it is at least honest.
Here we have the dictionary definition of dogma http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma which really does not apply to Heathenry in any of its flavors. We just don't have that type of authoritative body of beliefs or doctrine.
For example, Catholics must believe in the Virgin Birth and Immaculate Conception. That is dogma. There are no requirements in Heathenry to believe who Baldr is, and how (or whether) he died.
For example, Catholics must believe in the Virgin Birth and Immaculate Conception. That is dogma. There are no requirements in Heathenry to believe who Baldr is, and how (or whether) he died.