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What if we accepted each others Religion?

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
That is really tough to be so restricted socially. It tough see your children struggle.
Its been really hard. Things got really ugly before they got any better. We're on the road back, but not out of the woods yet.
My youngest did his first year of university last year and tried to get into medical school but failed. His grades averaged about 90 % which is far better than I could ever do but it wasn't good enough. So he's really down and struggling with what to do this year. He still lives with us.
That's very disappointing, but still, really impressive. He'll have a lot of doors open to him, when he finds which one he wants to go through. Its nice he can stay with you while he chooses.
My oldest OTOH was studying at a University in a city about 5 hours drive from us and managed to get into engineering. We've just sorted his accommodation for the next 3 years but tomorrow I'm going to have to ride his motorcycle to the new city. Its small and not really fast enough to be on the highway...5 hour drive...things we do for our children.
Wow! Five hours on a motorcycle! Be safe!
I'm trying to reduce my work hours so I don't have to deal with so many people. I'm hopeful that will make life easier but who knows.
I hope so... its worth a shot.
In regards your Faith; What deities do you worship? What are your main practices? Do you have a local temple to attend or community?
I'm quite eclectic in my approach; I don't belong to any specific sampradaya. Krishna is who drew me in, but Shiva is very dear to me, as is Sita. Suyra's starting to catch my eye(literally?), and I've been working on memorizing the Hanuman Chalisa, so feeling closer to him as well.

The last year has allowed me almost no time for the basics of life, let alone formal practice. I try to stay 'connected'. Mindful. I talk to my deities a lot. Read or hear stories of them, stay reverent. I have no community; the temple we used to go to is 2 hours away, but we can't really go anymore due to issues with one of the kids. I have a Pagan friend that also has no community; we've started functioning a bit like a blended family(she lived with us for about 5 months this year, due to life's problems on her end).

How does practicing your faith look on a daily level?
Our city is about 80% European so we have the largest Asian/Indian population in town. Over half the retired GPs patients were Indian and now they have relocated with us. His replacement is a Hare Krishna and no one wanted to employ this guy who don's robes and goes down the street chanting Hare Krishna and handing out nuts. I've been pretty clear we're a medical centre and I don't want proselytizing and using our Centre for extended ISHKON religious practices. Its worked out really well. We have known each other for many years through the interfaith group and having worked together in the hospital. He considers it a miracle that I employed him when no one else would. I consider it a pragmatic decision. He's a really good doctor and I'm please I rose above my personal prejudices.
I'm glad the situation has worked well for everyone with employing this guy! Win-win.
I have a good relationship with our interfaith group and feel really welcome and a valued member.
That's wonderful. :)
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
That's true for all individuals anywhere. Same here in my temple community, and same in the community of my childhood. Regardless, I see being more important than words. It's truly amazing what some people do - without thought of reward.
That is Faith in action, that is community, helping each other.

Regards Tony
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
In "all" the religions? Are you sure? And their "founders" and "Scriptures"? Isn't there a Baha'i quote that says that even the Bible in not "wholly" authentic?
Baha'u'llah discusses this in His Book of Certitude that the essence remains so that people may not be deprived of the truth.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I'm talking about the jump from either what Krishna taught or what Buddha taught to anyone of the many "manifestations" Baha'is believe in that came from Judaism. The main one being Moses. Where does he fit in? Do you believe he came before or after Krishna and/or Buddha?

If Moses came after, then what God told him should have "corrected" the misconceptions that became part of the beliefs surrounding the teachings of Krishna and the Buddha. If Moses came before one or both of them, then their teachings should have corrected the wrong beliefs that had crept into Judaism.

That is what you are claiming. That each manifestation corrected the previous religions.
Each Manifestation was entrusted with a certain Mission, so He taught whatever was needed at that time until the next Manifestation appeared. Whether or not that included changes and corrections was entirely up to that Manifestation. Also to add to new laws and teachings for the new age.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
It's tough in real life too. Many of the same challenges, as words like 'God' can go right by. In terms of dharmic and Abrahamic interchanges, the two paradigms are far apart. My Guru sat in on an interfaith panel for awhile, but the moderation was poor and unbalanced. Certain people liked to hog the time.
What is a Guru in your religion? Is he a priest or leader or spiritual guide?
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I''m quite eclectic in my approach; I don't belong to any specific sampradaya. Krishna is who drew me in, but Shiva is very dear to me, as is Sita. Suyra's starting to catch my eye(literally?), and I've been working on memorizing the Hanuman Chalisa, so feeling closer to him as well.

The last year has allowed me almost no time for the basics of life, let alone formal practice. I try to stay 'connected'. Mindful. I talk to my deities a lot. Read or hear stories of them, stay reverent. I have no community; the temple we used to go to is 2 hours away, but we can't really go anymore due to issues with one of the kids. I have a Pagan friend that also has no community; we've started functioning a bit like a blended family(she lived with us for about 5 months this year, due to life's problems on her end).

How does practicing your faith look on a daily level?
Thanks for sharing. It's always interesting to hear about the different approaches taken in Hinduism. Your deities all seem like mainstream Hinduism if the word 'mainstream' is a thing in Hinduism.

Do you have a special place like an altar or shrine in your home where you pray? In Japanese culture (Buddhist/Shinto) it is common place. We have a budsudan in our home.


I can't imagine not having a community or temple. We have a Baha'i Center and the Hindu community once had their devotions at our place. It was fascinating to see all the gods on the altar. Of course I focused on Krishna. Our location wasn't ideal as it was too far from the city center. The community are really keen to have their own temple rather than renting premises. They were using a Church hall rented from a liberal Christian group the last I heard.

Having daily practice keeps faith a living thing. I chant Allah'u'Abha 95 times per day, recite a short prayer daily and recite verses and prayers memorized from the Baha'i writings. Nothing too complex and it doesn't take too long :)

Did you grow up with Hinduism?

Who is the bearded man on your RF avatar?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Each Manifestation was entrusted with a certain Mission, so He taught whatever was needed at that time until the next Manifestation appeared. Whether or not that included changes and corrections was entirely up to that Manifestation. Also to add to new laws and teachings for the new age.
Give us a proof of existence of your God and that he selected an uneducated 19th Century Iranian to carry his message.
What is a Guru in your religion? Is he a priest or leader or spiritual guide?
Guru means teacher. If one asks a question that the guru does not know the answer of, he will state that clearly.
Guru is not supposed to be a know all.
Who is the bearded man on your RF avatar?
That is funny. You are a Bahai and Zoroaster is one of your manifestations of Allah and you do not know it?
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
That is Faith in action, that is community, helping each other.

Regards Tony
I have yet to find out about a specific Baha'i action though, with one notable exception. So far it's been all talk. Talking about action isn't action. I've seen that too much, where a charitable group (like the board of trustees at a temple) will take an hour to discuss what to do about something that takes 10 minutes of action. That's not my style.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Never saw any of the forum Bahais produce fruit. They produce pages and pages of taketh, giveth, liveth, dieth, bringeth, throweth, blah-blah.
One says something and they say 'no'. One is always wrong with them.
I concur. 'I'm right and you're wrong' is the overwhelming feeling one gets. But it's good to know that too, as then your approach can be altered and you lower your expectations before reading any response, or before getting into a discussion.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
I think it depends. There are some religious sects that just want to make money and have worldly power, but then there are some religions that are from God and have pure intent.
Some religions … from God”?

“There is only ONE BELIEF (call it religion, is that what you mean?) FROM GOD - The truth!!!

Mankind tries to decide for themselves what they think that truth is and THAT is why there are so many claims of religions sent from God.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Some religions … from God”?

“There is only ONE BELIEF (call it religion, is that what you mean?) FROM GOD - The truth!!!

Mankind tries to decide for themselves what they think that truth is and THAT is why there are so many claims of religions sent from God.
Yes very true. Like there is only one sun in the sky there is only one truth which comes from God.

The truth was a mirror in the hands of God. It fell, and broke into pieces. Everybody took a piece of it, and they looked at it and thought they had the truth.” (Rumi)
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Yes very true. Like there is only one sun in the sky there is only one truth which comes from God.

The truth was a mirror in the hands of God. It fell, and broke into pieces. Everybody took a piece of it, and they looked at it and thought they had the truth.” (Rumi)
And this 'truth' is?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Give us a proof of existence of your God and that he selected an uneducated 19th Century Iranian to carry his message.

Guru means teacher. If one asks a question that the guru does not know the answer of, he will state that clearly.
Guru is not supposed to be a know all.

That is funny. You are a Bahai and Zoroaster is one of your manifestations of Allah and you do not know it?
Thanks for the definition of guru. As to proof of God’s existence I cannot offer any proof as it is something each person needs to find out for himself. And if one’s journey leads them to the conclusion there is no God then to him God does not exist.

As to Baha’u’llah, again it’s only something the individual can verify for his/her self.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Honestly, I find that hurtful.

Unless it was encouraged that all people bring their own inspirational stories(religious or not, atheists need to be included in this 'unity'), this seems exclusionary.

I'd be keen on hearing your stories, but only if you were happy to hear mine. And the stories of the guy next to me. And the woman standing next to him. Otherwise, just talking about Baha'i stories doesn't seem like its promoting unity. That seems exclusionary.


If you have something you can share with us that you really love and cherish, then I would like that ,a lot .
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
Thanks for sharing. It's always interesting to hear about the different approaches taken in Hinduism. Your deities all seem like mainstream Hinduism if the word 'mainstream' is a thing in Hinduism.
Well known, perhaps?

Its worth pointing out that I don't have a specific 'set' I work with. This list isn't exhaustive. :)
Do you have a special place like an altar or shrine in your home where you pray? In Japanese culture (Buddhist/Shinto) it is common place. We have a budsudan in our home.

That's really pretty! Which divinities are honored in your family's budsudan?

We actually have entire areas of the house set aside for religious reasons(three rooms, total?) But, everything seems to have taken over, and I live in a house of many shrines... Mostly Hindu, but for complex reasons, a few others are mixed in. Its beautiful, it awes some, scares others, and causes me to be very mindful of who I let in the house.
I can't imagine not having a community or temple. We have a Baha'i Center and the Hindu community once had their devotions at our place. It was fascinating to see all the gods on the altar. Of course I focused on Krishna. Our location wasn't ideal as it was too far from the city center. The community are really keen to have their own temple rather than renting premises. They were using a Church hall rented from a liberal Christian group the last I heard.
That's nice the local Baha'i and Hindu communities are friendly enough with each other to be comfortable sharing grounds.

Years ago, my husband and I would drive two hours south to a temple once a month to attend the Rudrabishikam(a type of ceremony for Shiva). Then Covid happened, along with other life changes(vehicles unable to make a 4 hour round trip, and then increasing mental health problems in the family) and those trips are extremely difficult, if not impossible, to make.

You are very blessed to have so much community nearby!
Having daily practice keeps faith a living thing. I chant Allah'u'Abha 95 times per day, recite a short prayer daily and recite verses and prayers memorized from the Baha'i writings. Nothing too complex and it doesn't take too long :)
Is it something you do around the same time, or do you spread this out during the day?

Why 95 times?
Did you grow up with Hinduism?
No. My father was the fire and brimstone type of Christian, and my mom was a closet case new ager. Those were my influences. Dad pushed Christianity really hard, but it didn't take, and I'd gotten into Paganism by my late teens. I remained a Pagan until around my 30s. I still have a positive view of Paganism, and my oldest son, being raised mostly in that tradition, considers himself a cultural Pagan.

If I remember right, you grew up Christian?
Who is the bearded man on your RF avatar?
I change my avatar daily, but when you asked, it was Zoroaster. :)

I choose my avatars at random out of my picture files.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
So in an election, the guy who gets one vote should win over the guy who got 1000 votes? If 20 friends came to you and told you you had halitosis, but you are unaware (as most people are) you'd deny it?
I believe winning an election does not mean the person is right and politicians are notorious for lying.
 
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