What if we accepted each others Religion?

[CG Didymus]

Its exceedingly difficult if not impossible to know with any certainty what Buddha and Krishna originally taught. As they emerged in complete isolation from the Abrahamic Faiths, the language and paradigms are vastly different.

We have teachings from the religion we now call Hinduism that came before both Krishna and Buddha. Are they "vastly" different than what the Bible teaches?

The problem for me is that Baha'is claim that Krishna, Buddha, Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses were all manifestations of the one true God. So, their teachings should have had similarities. Who is God, I would think, should be a basic thing that each would have taught and made clear. What that God wants people to do should have been similar. Were people all that different that they'd need some different things to do to please God?

Anyway, as you know, I think that people made up their religions and their Gods. For me, that's a much easier way to explain the differences.

And again, Baha'is almost agree with me. Baha'is have an "original" pure and true message. Which got mangled by the people. Devils, demons, rising and dying savior God/men, heavens and hells, multiple Gods, rebirths, reincarnation, inherited sin, and all the rest of these types of believe all came from people adding things into that "original" pure message and making it unrecognizable. I just saying that there never was this pure "original" message from some manifestation of God.

 

[Dawnofhope]

We have teachings from the religion we now call Hinduism that came before both Krishna and Buddha. Are they "vastly" different than what the Bible teaches?

The common thread is living a moral life and detaching oneself from the transient things of this world that would become a distraction. Whether its Krishna's counsel to Arjuna, the Buddhist sutras, the Gospel or Quran, there are commonalities.

The problem for me is that Baha'is claim that Krishna, Buddha, Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses were all manifestations of the one true God. So, their teachings should have had similarities. Who is God, I would think, should be a basic thing that each would have taught and made clear. What that God wants people to do should have been similar. Were people all that different that they'd need some different things to do to please God?

Its impossible to know for certain what any of the Manifestations you list actually taught, but I agree there should be some similarities.

Anyway, as you know, I think that people made up their religions and their Gods. For me, that's a much easier way to explain the differences.

And again, Baha'is almost agree with me. Baha'is have an "original" pure and true message. Which got mangled by the people. Devils, demons, rising and dying savior God/men, heavens and hells, multiple Gods, rebirths, reincarnation, inherited sin, and all the rest of these types of believe all came from people adding things into that "original" pure message and making it unrecognizable. I just saying that there never was this pure "original" message from some manifestation of God.

I appreciate you stating what you believe. It is a reasonable and somewhat attractive explanation for what academics call the phenomenon of religion. It appeals to my atheistic and agnostic leanings. Having a God that is 'an unknowable essence' could be viewed as 'non-existence'.

Do you consider yourself agnostic or an atheist? Then again why bother with any label? Simply state 'I don’t know about the truth behind any religion and there are too many uncertainties to commit'. Is that your position? Its a reasonable position if it is.

Btw thanks for consistently being thoughtful and respectful when participating on this forum. It makes this space a better place for us all.

 

[CG Didymus]

Do you consider yourself agnostic or an atheist? Then again why bother with any label? Simply state 'I don’t know about the truth behind any religion and there are too many uncertainties to commit'. Is that your position? Its a reasonable position if it is.

I like a lot of things about all the usual ones we talk about. But I like that they are different. But because they are different I can't completely believe in any of them.

What I have mentioned before, is that when I was learning about a religion and believing it was true, it definitely became true to me. While trying to believe in born-again Christianity, it just got to a point where I couldn't keep believing in it.

And thank you for taking things away from confrontation and into learning about the other person. A couple of Baha'is have tried that, but with limited success.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yet the hadith says the message would be universal for all the world. That it would spread to everyone before Qaim (a) comes. That didn't happen before your Qaim.

It does not say that. I will be happy to discuss the Hadithes of the Qaim in a separate Thread.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

No it says anyone claiming to be a Prophet, doesn't say a false Prophet.

This:

وشريعة محمد لا تنسخ إلى يوم القيامة ، ولا نبي بعده إلى يوم القيامة ، فمن ادعى بعده نبوة أو أتى بعدالقرآن بكتاب فدمه مباح لكل من سمع ذلك منه. [٢]

بحار الأنوار - ط مؤسسةالوفاء - العلامة المجلسي - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

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Translation:

"The Law of Muhammad shall not be Abrogated until Day of Resurrection, and there will not be any Prophet after Him until Day of Resurrection. Thus whoever claimed to Prophethood after Him, or came with a Book after the Quran, His blood must be sheded"

Notice, it says, "Until Day of Resurrection" there will be no Prophet, No New Book.

You already know, "Day of Resurrection" is "Day of Rise of Qaim".

You already know, Qaim comes with New Law and New Book.

عنه أخبرنا على بن الحسين باسناده عن أحمد بن محمّد بن أبى نصر، عن عاصم بن حميد الحنّاط، عن أبى بصير قال: قال: أبو جعفر (عليه السلام): يقوم القائم بأمر جديد، و كتاب جديد و قضاء جديد على العرب شديد ليس شأنه الّا السيف لا يستتيب أحدا و لا يأخذه فى اللّه لومة لائم (4).

مسند الإمام الباقر أبي جعفر محمد بن علي(ع) - العطاردي، الشيخ عزيز الله - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

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وقال عليه السلام: إذا خرج يقوم بأمر جديد، وكتاب جديد، وسنة جديدة، وقضاء جديد على العرب شديد.

معجم أحاديث الإمام المهدي ع - الكوراني العاملي، الشيخ علي - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

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ينادي مناد من السماء ، فاذا نادى فالنفر النفر ، فوالله لكأني أنظر إليه بين الركن والمقام ، يبايع الناس بأمر جديد وكتاب جديد ، وسلطان جديد ، من السماء

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See, how clearly these Hadithes match?!

now, one may say, how we know these Hadithes are not false.
to prove these Hadithes are not false, we must show verses of the Quran that confirms the Hadithes.
I can prove these from the Quran That the Qaim comes with a new Book. I can prove from Quran, that, the Quran was to be Abrogated after 1000 years. Even name of the Revelation of the Qaim, is mentioned in the Quran as "Bayaan", which is alluded to in Surrah Al- Rahmaan (see verses 1-5)



When the Hadithes and Quran are saying the Qaim comes with a new Book, what do the Ulama have on their side to prove the finality, other than their own wishful opinion?!

You really think, God allowed people to write false Hadithes to allow false Mahdi to deceive people?

For a false Mahdi, it is alot easier to say Islam and Quran are Final. Firstly because that would be alot more appealing to average Muslims, and second, because it is not easy at all to Write a Book of Law that replaces the Quran.
Beside all these, Did not Allah say in the Quran, He will kill anyone who invents commands and orders and attributes them to Allah? Then why Allah allowed the Bab and Baha'u'llah do that?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What happens when hadiths contradict in interpretation of a verse?

How do you know it contradicts?
First, you must establish how Infallible Imams and Muhammad understood and explained that verse. You can do that, by quoting related Hadithes.

 

[Link]

This:

وشريعة محمد لا تنسخ إلى يوم القيامة ، ولا نبي بعده إلى يوم القيامة ، فمن ادعى بعده نبوة أو أتى بعدالقرآن بكتاب فدمه مباح لكل من سمع ذلك منه. [٢]

بحار الأنوار - ط مؤسسةالوفاء - العلامة المجلسي - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

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Translation:

"The Law of Muhammad shall not be Abrogated until Day of Resurrection, and there will not be any Prophet after Him until Day of Resurrection. Thus whoever claimed to Prophethood after Him, or came with a Book after the Quran, His blood must be sheded"

Notice, it says, "Until Day of Resurrection" there will be no Prophet, No New Book.

You already know, "Day of Resurrection" is "Day of Rise of Qaim".

The first part of the hadith says until day of raising, but the second part of the hadith says "so if any claim prophethood after him or came with book after Quran, his blood must be shed". So by implication it shows day of judgment is not what you think it is. But you don't know language, you are lost, that you can't see basic implications.

 

[Link]

You already know, Qaim comes with New Law and New Book.

عنه أخبرنا على بن الحسين باسناده عن أحمد بن محمّد بن أبى نصر، عن عاصم بن حميد الحنّاط، عن أبى بصير قال: قال: أبو جعفر (عليه السلام): يقوم القائم بأمر جديد، و كتاب جديد و قضاء جديد على العرب شديد ليس شأنه الّا السيف لا يستتيب أحدا و لا يأخذه فى اللّه لومة لائم (4).

مسند الإمام الباقر أبي جعفر محمد بن علي(ع) - العطاردي، الشيخ عزيز الله - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

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وقال عليه السلام: إذا خرج يقوم بأمر جديد، وكتاب جديد، وسنة جديدة، وقضاء جديد على العرب شديد.

معجم أحاديث الإمام المهدي ع - الكوراني العاملي، الشيخ علي - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

lib.eshia.ir

ينادي مناد من السماء ، فاذا نادى فالنفر النفر ، فوالله لكأني أنظر إليه بين الركن والمقام ، يبايع الناس بأمر جديد وكتاب جديد ، وسلطان جديد ، من السماء

بحار الأنوار - ط مؤسسةالوفاء - العلامة المجلسي - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

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See, how clearly these Hadithes match?!

These hadiths are explained by other hadiths. They are hyperbola in nature per other hadiths.

 

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Did not Allah say in the Quran, He will kill anyone who invents commands and orders and attributes them to Allah?

No but every fake Mahdi seems to think so.

 

[Dawnofhope]

That's cool! Were you able to see him?

There were two times I went to our town hall along with a few thousand others. It was great.

A sense of devotion that goes beyond the external motions(though may be brought on by them). That moment when you feel your Divine in the trees, in the sky, in the chair next to you. When you find yourself weeping at their tragedies, or in childlike glee at their workings.

Sounds like a wonderful space to be in.

think my parents may have been a bit odd.

I didn't really get the opportunity to say "no". It was more "you will go to therapy once a week". Of course, I was pretty reserved with her; I didn't want(and probably didn't need) therapy at that point in my young life.

It seems like an odd thing to send one of your kids off to therapy. My most challenging and rewarding patient has a mother who wants me to have her committed under the mental health act for rehab. I've said 'no'.

What is it about Krishna you find relatable?

I like the story about Krishna and Arjuna in the Gita. I find Him being an incarnation of Vishnu very Christ like so it connects with my Christian self. I've had the occasional Krishna consciousness moment as I've had with Jesus and Baha’u’llah.

What do you think of Vishnu's other incarnations?

I really like it that Buddha is seen as an avatar of Vishnu. I heard a lot about Rama when I lived in a predominantly Indian country and He is someone I'd like to learn more about. I'm extremely limited in my reading of sacred Hindu writings. It's really nice to talk to others on this forum who are devotees to Hindu deities.

It is a precious gift to be able to hear about the life and experiences of those practicing a variety of faiths. I don't often talk to associates and friends about such matters. I feel privileged to have so many Hindu patients in my practice and to experience Japanese/Buddhist/Shinto culture through marriage.

Thank you.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I like a lot of things about all the usual ones we talk about. But I like that they are different. But because they are different I can't completely believe in any of them.

What I have mentioned before, is that when I was learning about a religion and believing it was true, it definitely became true to me. While trying to believe in born-again Christianity, it just got to a point where I couldn't keep believing in it.

And thank you for taking things away from confrontation and into learning about the other person. A couple of Baha'is have tried that, but with limited success

I had the experience of being a born again Christian but it didn't last too long, maybe a few months. Like you I believed in it at the time but there were too many problems that I couldn't ignore.

This forum has brought Baha’is and their associates into contact with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Sikhs, pagans, atheists and agnostics to name a few. It's been a great opportunity to learn about different people and their beliefs/faiths.

There is one life we are ultimately responsible for and that is our own. To spend our precious time arguing about religion seems a waste. It's more than enough to hear the stories of others and learn from them.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So, it sounds like from this link, that Baha'is do accept all religions, even the polytheistic ones, because they usually had one supreme God. Would you agree with that?

Now about Abraham... from your link...

Abraham’s task as a messenger of God was not to reject or displace El or An or Thoru-el with a new god. It was, rather, to enlarge mankind’s spiritual understanding of the infinite Godhead. Polytheism might have been an acceptable way of visualizing spiritual mysteries at previous stages of mankind’s existence, but it was time for a change. Abraham’s revelation would enable the world to begin the process of relinquishing its attachment to demigods by introducing the concept of a single God whose immensity could not, and should not, be represented by a carved or painted image.​

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But then... what do Baha'is believe that Adam and Noah taught? Wouldn't they have taught that there is only one God?

As you can see that humanity’s understanding of spiritual matters has evolved and progressed over time with each new Manifestation‘s have appearance. So the concept of one God has been taught by the Manifestations of the Adamic Cycle.

 

[JustGeorge]

There were two times I went to our town hall along with a few thousand others. It was great.

So awesome you had that opportunity!

Sounds like a wonderful space to be in.

It seems like an odd thing to send one of your kids off to therapy. My most challenging and rewarding patient has a mother who wants me to have her committed under the mental health act for rehab. I've said 'no'.

Is it because she doesn't want to deal with her?

I think there's a lot of pressure on parents to 'fix this'. Not everything is fixable, and not everything that doesn't run 'normally' is broken. Many years, I caught flack because of things that were sometimes minor with my older two boys(my oldest is also on the spectrum), and sometimes the complaints were... dumb. "LeeAnder can't sit still" "Ares won't eat at the table" "LeeAnder flaps his hands" "Ares won't sit in the same room as everyone at family gatherings"... "fix it! you're slacking!" And then when there really is a problem, and the parent is at a loss.... Oh boy.

The social pressures put on parents can sometimes be quite taxing. I'm not sure if this is a new thing, worsened by social media and the tendency to 'compare lives', or if its always been this way.

That being said, there are, and I'm sure there's always been, parents that just don't want to deal, so they look for a way out.

I like the story about Krishna and Arjuna in the Gita. I find Him being an incarnation of Vishnu very Christ like so it connects with my Christian self. I've had the occasional Krishna consciousness moment as I've had with Jesus and Baha’u’llah.

Have you ever considered reading the Mahabharata(the scripture the Gita came from)? In its entirety might be a bit much, but there are many decent abridged versions.

What are some of the connections between Jesus and Krishna that you've found? You're not the first to suggest it, but I've always struggled to see the similarities between the chaste Jesus(it seems the issue of Mary Magdalene is controversial, and having no Christian background, I simply have no opinion on it) and Krishna and his gopis(and 16,000 wives).

I really like it that Buddha is seen as an avatar of Vishnu. I heard a lot about Rama when I lived in a predominantly Indian country and He is someone I'd like to learn more about. I'm extremely limited in my reading of sacred Hindu writings. It's really nice to talk to others on this forum who are devotees to Hindu deities.

It seems the idea of Buddha being the 9th Avatar is somewhat controversial, too... Some Buddhists don't like that idea, and some Hindus don't, either. At the temple we attended, there are depictions and descriptions of each incarnation of Vishnu, but they have Balarama shown as the 9th.
Personally, I've always thought Buddha was a fitting avatar, but I don't get overly attached to the idea(I think he'd approve of that either way).

It is a precious gift to be able to hear about the life and experiences of those practicing a variety of faiths. I don't often talk to associates and friends about such matters. I feel privileged to have so many Hindu patients in my practice and to experience Japanese/Buddhist/Shinto culture through marriage.

Exposure to other ways is a blessing indeed!

Thank you.

Thank you for the intriguing conversation.

 

[Vinayaka]

It's been a great opportunity to learn about different people and their beliefs/faiths.

Having the opportunity to learn doesn't mean you learn. We can attend classes without learning. So some learn, while others only 'learn' to dig into their preconceived notions.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The first part of the hadith says until day of raising, but the second part of the hadith says "so if any claim prophethood after him or came with book after Quran, his blood must be shed". So by implication it shows day of judgment is not what you think it is. But you don't know language, you are lost, that you can't see basic implications.

You need to answer these:

1. Why doesvthe Hadith say that there is no Book or Law change "till Day of Resurrection"? If Day of Resurrection is literally the End, what is the point to say "until then"? Does not this imply that, on the Day of Resurrection, a New Book and a New Law will be given?

2. If you read the Hadith, along with the other Hadithes that says, Day of Resurrection is "Rise of the Qaim", and "Qaim comes with a new Law, a new Book", it becomes clear the intention. But it seems you simply ignore the other Hadithes, and instead read this Hadith as if the first part does not have to do with second part.

 

[Link]

You need to answer these:

1. Why doesvthe Hadith say that there is no Book or Law change "till Day of Resurrection"? If Day of Resurrection is literally the End, what is the point to say "until then"? Does not this imply that, on the Day of Resurrection, a New Book and a New Law will be given?

2. If you read the Hadith, along with the other Hadithes that says, Day of Resurrection is "Rise of the Qaim", and "Qaim comes with a new Law, a new Book", it becomes clear the intention. But it seems you simply ignore the other Hadithes, and instead read this Hadith as if the first part does not have to do with second part.

The reason can be to clarify and maintain that day of judgement is the end of time. The latter part would clarify that but I don’t believe the Hadith as it contradicts Quranic reasoning that Mohammad (s) should be left to preach even if not a prophet. Also mental health wise many fake prophets in the past were people with a sense of grandeur and delusional and perhaps experienced hallucinations. Those people need help not to be executed.

 

[Link]

All the reasoning to disbelievers leaving prophets even if they don’t believe refute these hadiths.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

These hadiths are explained by other hadiths. They are hyperbola in nature per other hadiths.

I am not sure what you mean here. "Hyperbola in Nature" means what?

That Qaim brings a new Book is in line with the Quran:

ذَ ٰلِكَۖ وَمَن یُعَظِّمۡ شَعَـٰۤىِٕرَ ٱللَّهِ فَإِنَّهَا مِن تَقۡوَى ٱلۡقُلُوبِ
لَكُمۡ فِیهَا مَنَـٰفِعُ إِلَىٰۤ أَجَلࣲ مُّسَمࣰّى ثُمَّ مَحِلُّهَاۤ إِلَى ٱلۡبَیۡتِ ٱلۡعَتِیقِ

" Indeed, those who reverence the Rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts. In them are benefits to an Appointed Time, then their place is to the ancient House” 22:33


Therefore the Quranic Rites are benefitial until their appointed time.

And "Appointed Time" is Rise of the Qaim, as the Infallible Imams have said:

القمي: ج‌ 2 ص‌ 245 - أخبرنا أحمد بن إدريس قال: حدثنا أحمد بن محمد، عن محمد بن يونس، عن رجل، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام في قول الله تبارك وتعالى: فأنظرني إلى يوم يبعثون قال فإنك من المنظرين إلى يوم الوقت المعلوم، قال: - * * * يوم الوقت المعلوم هو يوم ظهور المهدي عليه السلام



Qaim comes with a Book from God is mentioned in this verse:

يَوْمَ نَدْعُو كُلَّ أُنَاسٍ بِإِمَامِهِمْ ۖ فَمَنْ أُوتِيَ كِتَابَهُ بِيَمِينِهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ يَقْرَءُونَ كِتَابَهُمْ وَلَا يُظْلَمُونَ فَتِيلًا (71)

On the Day when We will summon all men by their Imam; and he whose Book is given in his right hand shall read it, nor shall they be wronged a straw.” 17:71


And in Al-kafi, ‘Abdallah ibn Sinan narrated, "I asked abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the meaning of , ‘On the Day when We will summon all men by their Imam . . ." (17:71) The Imam (a.s.) said:

"It refers to the Imam who is with them and he is Qa’im of the people of that time."


In Al-kafi it is narrated that Imam Muhammad Baqir (a.s.) said: “... they will disagree in the Book that will be with the Qaim, who will bring it to them, so much so that a large number of people will deny him.”

- بِهَذَا الْإِسْنَادِ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ ع‌ فِي قَوْلِهِ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ- قُلْ ما أَسْئَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ‌ مِنْ أَجْرٍ وَ ما أَنَا مِنَ الْمُتَكَلِّفِينَ‌ إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌ لِلْعالَمِينَ‌ قَالَ هُوَ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ع- وَ لَتَعْلَمُنَّ نَبَأَهُ‌ بَعْدَ حِينٍ‌[1] قَالَ عِنْدَ خُرُوجِ الْقَائِمِ ع وَ فِي قَوْلِهِ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ- وَ لَقَدْ آتَيْنا مُوسَى الْكِتابَ فَاخْتُلِفَ فِيهِ‌[2] قَالَ اخْتَلَفُوا كَمَا اخْتَلَفَتْ هَذِهِ الْأُمَّةُ فِي الْكِتَابِ وَ سَيَخْتَلِفُونَ فِي الْكِتَابِ الَّذِي مَعَ الْقَائِمِ الَّذِي يَأْتِيهِمْ بِهِ حَتَّى يُنْكِرُهُ نَاسٌ كَثِيرٌ

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[InvestigateTruth]

The reason can be to clarify and maintain that day of judgement is the end of time. The latter part would clarify that but I don’t believe the Hadith as it contradicts Quranic reasoning that Mohammad (s) should be left to preach even if not a prophet. Also mental health wise many fake prophets in the past were people with a sense of grandeur and delusional and perhaps experienced hallucinations. Those people need help not to be executed.

Yes, many understood as you are describing here.

Many have also understood the Bible is the Final Book, or that Jesus is the only way to God, due to ignoring other parts of their Book.

 

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Qaim comes with a Book from God is mentioned in this verse:

يَوْمَ نَدْعُو كُلَّ أُنَاسٍ بِإِمَامِهِمْ ۖ فَمَنْ أُوتِيَ كِتَابَهُ بِيَمِينِهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ يَقْرَءُونَ كِتَابَهُمْ وَلَا يُظْلَمُونَ فَتِيلًا (71)

On the Day when We will summon all men by their Imam; and he whose Book is given in his right hand shall read it, nor shall they be wronged a straw.” 17:71


And in Al-kafi, ‘Abdallah ibn Sinan narrated, "I asked abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the meaning of , ‘On the Day when We will summon all men by their Imam . . ." (17:71) The Imam (a.s.) said:

"It refers to the Imam who is with them and he is Qa’im of the people of that time."

Can you provide the Arabic when you provide translations?

I will share other hadiths about the same verse:

في الكافي عن الصادق عليه السلام قال بإمامهم الذي بين أظهرهم وهو قائم أهل زمانه.

(same one you qouted) from As-Sadiq (a) "the one who is in midst of them and he is the riser of the people of his time"

والقمّي عن الباقر عليه السلام في هذه الآية قال يجيء رسول الله صلىَّ اللهُ عليه وآله وسلم في قومه وعليّ عليه السلام في قومه والحَسَن عليه السلام في قومه والحُسين عليه السلام في قومه وكلّ من ماتَ بين ظهرانيّ قوم جاؤا معه.

from Baqir (a) regarding this verse said "the Messenger of God (blessings upon him and his family and send peace) in his people and Ali (peace be upon him) in his people and Hassan (peace be upon him) in his people and Hussain (peace be upon him) in his people and everyone who dies in midst of his people come with him (the leader).


والعياشي ما يقرب من معناه.

similar meaning in Al-Yashi to above hadith

وفي الكافي والعياشي عن الباقر عليه السلام لما نزلت هذه الآية قال المسلمون يا رسول الله ألست إمام الناس كلّهم أجمعين فقال أنا رسول الله إلى الناس أجمعين ولكن سيكون من بعدي أئمّة على الناس من الله من أهل بيتي يقومون في الناس فيكذّبون ويظلمهم أئمّة الكفر والضلال وأشياعهم فمن والاهم واتبعهم وصدّقهم فهو مني ومعي وسيلقاني الا ومن ظلمهم وكذّبهم فليس منّي ولا معي وأنا منه بريء.

from Baqir (a) when this verse was revealed, the Muslims said "O Messenger of God are you not the leader of all people together?", he said "I God's Messenger to all people all together but after me there will be leaders upon the people from God from the people of my house, they will rise among the people so will deny and be oppressive towards them the leaders of disbeliever and misguidance and their followers so whoever wali them (left it untranslated since it means the relationship owed to them in this context and the types of relations are signified by context) and follows them and testifies to them/believes in them, so they are from me and with me and they will meet me, however, whoever is oppressive towards them and denies so he is not from me nor with me and I am from him free/I dissociate from him.

(there was a hadith I omitted from Imam Jaffar (a))

وفي المحاسن عنه عليه السلام أنتم والله على دين الله ثمّ تلا هذه الآية ثم قال عليّ عليه السلام إمامنا ورسول الله صلَّى الله عليه وآله وسلم إمامنا وكم من إمام يجيء يوم القيامة يلعن أصحابه ويلعنونه.

from Sadiq (a) "You are I swear by God on the religion of God, then recited this verse, then said Ali (a) is our leader, and Messenger (s) of God is our leader and how many leaders God will raise on the day of rising he will curse his companions and they will curse him."

And there is a long Du'a that quotes this Aya too, the Du'a from Imam Reda (a) for hardships.