What if we accepted each others Religion?

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1. Did you read the Hadithes well @Link ?

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مُحَمد بْنِ عبدويه الجمال، حَدَّثَنا عَبد الرَّحْمَنِ بْن عُمَر بْن يزيد رسته، حَدَّثَنا عَبد الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ مَهْدِيٍّ، حَدَّثَنا هُشَيْمٌ عَنْ مُجَالِدٍ عَنْ عُبَيد اللَّهِ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ، عَن أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ قَال رَسُول اللهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيهِ وَسلَّمَ: لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى تَكُونَ السَّنَةُ كَالشَّهْرِ وَالشَّهْرُ كَالْجُمُعَةِ وَالْجُمُعَةِ كَالْيَوْمِ وَالْيَوْمُ كالساعة والساعة كحريق السعفة.

الكامل في ضعفاء الرجال - ابن عدي - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

lib.eshia.ir

Can you pleaee translate this? Doesn't it say, on Day of Resurrection the events happens very fast, such that a year is like a month, a month is like a week, a week is like a day, and a day is like an hour, and an our is like a moment of flame of fire?

**mod edit** It's talking before day of judgment, the day of judgment won't happen until... but none of that happened before your day of judgment. There are many hadiths that talk about alternation of time during Imam Mahdi (a) rule. I don't know even these are true or not - there is not a consistency between them. Some of the hadiths of alternation of time do the opposite, that things are severely slowed down.

But it says before day of judgment. So it goes against your concept too, but you don't care. Now you can dismiss the hadith right? Must be a fabrication now that it says before the day of judgment.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

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Sophistry is when language loses meaning and can mean multiple things - almost anything. When you say 50 000 years can pass in a moment that is sophistry. It doesn't make sense. But you play this game because day of judgment as explained in the Quran is incompatible with the concept your Prophets came with.

It is not a game Link is is sound reasoning and even the greatest scientific minds know that time is relative.

Einstein, In the Special Theory of Relativity, determined that time is relative—in other words, the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference.

The Messengers and those they give knowledge too, have an understanding relative to what Allah has given them.

In a timeless realm, our beginning, our end and all that is inbetween, is already written. The expanse of billions of years could most likewise be traversed in the blink of an eye.

Who are we that we can know? Puny forms in the vast expanse of creation, thinking we have a grasp of any of it!

Regards Tony

 

[JustGeorge]

Our interfaith meeting went well but it is not without its challenges. I've been part of this group for six years and was chairman one year. I was elected into the role one week prior to the Mosque shootings.

Christchurch mosque shootings - Wikipedia

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I remember hearing about that.

We're coming up to five years so there was some discussion around whether or not a restorative justice process might be helpful. The Israeli-Palestinian situation is one of the most disturbing world events that we have to navigate carefully as a group.

What is it like, having to navigate difficult situations like that?

Thanks for that explanation. It's a difficult question to answer in regards both Krishna and Jesus. It's good to hear a quintessentially Hindu explanation.

The obvious difference is in theistic concepts for example God meaning very different things to people's of different faiths. For that reason I like Buddha's focus on practical living and his avoidance of commenting on questions about God and God's.

I see that even on the forums here. The definition of 'God' isn't agreed upon, even when it comes to the non-religious.

I agree with the Buddha on this. Better to focus on how we live, rather than how we believe.

Thanks for sharing that. I'm trying to better understand Brahman and Shiva.

I'm not particularly concerned with self improvement. My current focus is to develop a low fees medical clinic and to reduce barriers to accessing high quality health care in a timely manner. Its good to be networking with social services, charities and ethnic groups to better meet the needs of those who are struggling in the community. That is my faith in action.

That's wonderful. As a person without access to health insurance, visiting a doctor or dentist is usually out of the question. I really appreciate those people who place a value on all people having the ability to receive care(and thus, maintain their lives) as needed. Thank you for the work you do.

What does it look like for you?

I question the idea of perfection at this point in life. Is it a man made concept?

I'm trying to learn to just be.

 

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It is not a game Link is is sound reasoning and even the greatest scientific minds know that time is relative.

Einstein, In the Special Theory of Relativity, determined that time is relative—in other words, the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference.

The Messengers and those they give knowledge too, have an understanding relative to what Allah has given them.

In a timeless realm, our beginning, our end and all that is inbetween, is already written. The expanse of billions of years could most likewise be traversed in the blink of an eye.

Who are we that we can know? Puny forms in the vast expanse of creation, thinking we have a grasp of any of it!

Regards Tony

What you said is applied to about the thousand years, because God and Angels and Devils from Jinn are in battle for souls. So we don't witness the unseen battle in our souls between good and evil, and how we make a decision. But really every day of ours, is with God thousands of years. I agree with this relative stuff.

So you are not wrong, but everything has a proper place in language. Things mean what they mean by contextualization and clarity is required for speakers let alone God the Lord of the worlds. Otherwise, when language can mean anything, it is a game.

The 50 000 year ascension, has nothing to do with relativity. It's not. I'm sorry. All words have a proper place and context. All the verses about day of judgment together make a collective clear case.

You guys like to isolate and talk non-sense. The Quran shows no one will deny that the event of day of judgment is taking place when it's taking place. Not a denial at all from anyone..

You guys twist language way beyond norms. You are of those who take religion as game just like every misguided sect of Islam, just as the Sunnis play games with Ghadeer declaration of Ali (a) and thaqalayn message regarding "Quran and Ahlulbayt". Just as people ignore the big emphasis on the leadership and succession in Quran and ignore what Quran says and don't let it's verses contextualize each other.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What you said is applied to about the thousand years, because God and Angels and Devils from Jinn are in battle for souls. So we don't witness the unseen battle in our souls between good and evil, and how we make a decision. But really every day of ours, is with God thousands of years. I agree with this relative stuff.

So you are not wrong, but everything has a proper place in language. Things mean what they mean by contextualization and clarity is required for speakers let alone God the Lord of the worlds. Otherwise, when language can mean anything, it is a game.

The 50 000 year ascension, has nothing to do with relativity. It's not. I'm sorry. All words have a proper place and context. All the verses about day of judgment together make a collective clear case.

You guys like to isolate and talk non-sense. The Quran shows no one will deny that the event of day of judgment is taking place when it's taking place. Not a denial at all from anyone..

You guys twist language way beyond norms. You are of those who take religion as game just like every misguided sect of Islam, just as the Sunnis play games with Ghadeer declaration of Ali (a) and thaqalayn message regarding "Quran and Ahlulbayt". Just as people ignore the big emphasis on the leadership and succession in Quran and ignore what Quran says and don't let it's verses contextualize each other.

Again no game is being played Link. There are hints in the Baha'i Writings that time is very relative and it may be that we will also find a way to traverse time, be it materially or spiritually.

"O SERVANT of Bahá! Be self-sacrificing in the path of God, and wing thy flight unto the heavens of the love of the Abhá Beauty, for any movement animated by love moveth from the periphery to the center, from space to the Daystar of the universe. Perchance thou deemest this to be difficult, but I tell thee that such cannot be the case, for when the motivating and guiding power is the divine force of magnetism it is possible, by its aid, to traverse time and space easily and swiftly.

‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Selections from the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 197

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

So, the Bible predicts these things, but you can't give me the Bible verses where it predicts it? Funny... how did you find those verses? A thorough study of the Bible? Or Abdul Baha, Bill Sears or some other Baha'is told you which verses to look at and how to "correctly" interpret them?

It is the claim that the Baha'i interpretation is correct that I'm arguing/debating against. I don't agree with most of the alleged "fulfilled" prophecies, and I disagree with "progressive" revelation. The best you can say is that my "investigation" was faulty, and I came to wrong conclusions. Show me some Bible verses that support your claims. Who knows, maybe I am wrong.

Of course I know them but I have given them time and again and it would take many posts to quote them all in full. So you can only do your own research and then follow whatever you feel is best for you. I have done my own investigation and found what I found. I cannot say your investigation is faulty or that you are wrong. In the end, I can only speak for myself.

 

[CG Didymus]

Of course I know them but I have given them time and again and it would take many posts to quote them all in full. So you can only do your own research and then follow whatever you feel is best for you. I have done my own investigation and found what I found. I cannot say your investigation is faulty or that you are wrong. In the end, I can only speak for myself.

One Baha'i says he uses logic. Another Baha'i said that I've researched so much that I'm suffering from having too much information and am confused. That is not true. All I've done is listen to the claim of a prophesy fulfilled, and then I looked at the verses in the Book of Revelation. Does this Baha'i claim make sense?

There's only one prophesy that we need to look at... The one about 1260 days. As I've said, it is amazing that 1844 is 1260 in the Islamic calendar. However, six times 1260 or something that can be made to add up to 1260 is mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Here's the first two times it is mentioned....

Rev 11:1 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”​

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The holy city will be trampled by the Gentiles for 42 months, which Baha'i convert to 1260 days, then to 1260 years. The very next sentence has two witnesses prophesying for 1260 days. Then it says...

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast... kill(s) them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city... where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial... 11 But after the three and a half days the breath[b] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.​

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So already, they prophesied for 1260 days, then they were killed and were on the street for three and a half days, which, since a day for a year, is converted three and half years and then is converted back into days which comes out to be 1260 days.

Rev 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven a woman... was pregnant and... was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads... The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son... And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.​

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So, we have something else that lasts for 1260 days. And then it says...

14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.​

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The time, times and half a time is also converted to be 1260 days. Then...

Rev 13:1 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.... 5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.​

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Now we have forty-two months... That again is converted to 1260 days. And Baha'is make all these references to start with the Hejira and end with the Bab's declaration in 1844?

Here's Abdul Baha in Some Answered Question talking about 1260 days...

“And the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months”; that is, the Gentiles will seize and subdue Jerusalem for forty-two months, or 1,260 days, or—each day being equivalent to a year—1,260 years, which is the duration of the Qur’anic Dispensation. For according to the text of the Bible each day is a year, as it is said in Ezekiel 4:6: “thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year”.5​

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This is a prophecy concerning the duration of the Dispensation of Islam, when Jerusalem was trodden underfoot, meaning that it was dishonoured, while the Holy of Holies remained preserved, guarded, and honoured. This state of affairs continued until the year 1260. This 1,260 years is a prophecy concerning the advent of the Báb, the “Gate” leading to Bahá’u’lláh, which took place in the year A.H. 1260.​

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“And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.”36 As was already explained, in the terminology of the Sacred Scriptures three days and a half signifies three years and a half, and three years and a half represents forty-two months, and forty-two months—1,260 days. Since according to the explicit text of the Bible each day is equivalent to a year, this means that for 1,260 years, which is the duration of the Qur’anic Dispensation​

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By this offspring is meant the Báb, the Primal Point, Who was in truth born from the religion of Muḥammad. In other words, that sacred Reality which was the child and the result of the religion of God—its mother—and which was its Promised One, came into being in the heavenly kingdom of that religion, but was caught up unto God to elude the ascendancy of the dragon. After 1,260 days the dragon was destroyed and the offspring of the religion of God, the Promised One, was made manifest.​

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“That they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days”.67 According to the terminology of the Bible, these 1,260 days mean 1,260 years, as was before explained. Thus for 1,260 years the religion of God was fostered in the vast desert of Arabia, until the Promised One appeared. After these 1,260 years that religion ceased to be in effect, for the fruit of that tree had been manifested and its result had been produced.12​

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Consider how closely the prophecies correspond one to another! The Book of Revelation fixes the advent of the Promised One after forty-two months. The Prophet Daniel specifies three times and a half, which is also forty-two months or 1,260 days. Another passage of the Revelation of John directly states 1,260 days, and it is explicitly indicated in the Bible that each day signifies one year. Nothing could be clearer than this agreement of the prophecies with each other. The Báb appeared in the year A.H. 1260 according to the calendar followed by all Muslims.​

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And all this makes sense to Baha'is? Other than, because Abdul Baha' said so, why do you agree with his interpretation?

 

[Dawnofhope]

What is it like, having to navigate difficult situations like that?

It's not easy. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict evokes strong opinions and the main three Abrahamic Faiths have a lot of history in this arena. Whether it's the Hamas orchestrated attack on Israeli citizens or the Israeli invasion of Gaza, its hard to remain objective.

I see that even on the forums here. The definition of 'God' isn't agreed upon, even when it comes to the non-religious.

I agree with the Buddha on this. Better to focus on how we live, rather than how we believe.

Yes.

wonderful. As a person without access to health insurance, visiting a doctor or dentist is usually out of the question. I really appreciate those people who place a value on all people having the ability to receive care(and thus, maintain their lives) as needed. Thank you for the work you do.

I can't do much to provide housing to those in need or running a food bank. Providing access to high quality healthcare to those in need is relatively easy to do for me. I've been volunteering at a free clinic run by the Christians for many years. Now I'm running my own clinic.

question the idea of perfection at this point in life. Is it a man made concept?

I'm trying to learn to just be.

Sounds like a realistic goal. Keep it simple. Sometimes just getting through the day is enough.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

**mod edit** It's talking before day of judgment, the day of judgment won't happen until... but none of that happened before your day of judgment.

Here are some of my thoughts:

First, there is a period of 1000 years, which the verse denotes, this 1000 years to be counted according to the Islamic Callander:

"He directs the Command from the heaven to the earth; then it ascends toward Him in a day whose span is a thousand years by your reckoning" 32:5

Let's examine the verse closely word for word.

The first part says, "He directs the Command from heaven to earth"

A good question would be:
What is it meant by "Command" in this verse?

Let's find the answer from the Quran. My suggestion is, the following verses:

"The Night of Decree is better than a thousand months. The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with every Command" 97:4-5

What is meant by "The Spirit"

Quran answers:


"They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little" 17:85

My conclusion: when verse 32:5 is talking about directing "Command" from Heaven to earth, this is descending "with the Angels and the Spirit", which is denoted by the name "Night of Decree" (ليلة القدر).

That means, there is a Time that "the Command is descending from God" to earth with "The Angels and the Spirit"

What happens after descending "Commmad" which is basically the same thing as descending "the Angels and the Spirit"?

The answer is in the second part of verse 32:5

It says, then after a 1000 years, it ascends.

What would ascend? The answer is "the command", or in another words "the Angels and the Spirit". It means, the Angels and the Spirit that were descended at the Night of Decree, will, then ascend after 1000 years.

Now, see how 70:4, is talking exactly about the same event:


"The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years" 70:4

Notice the term "ascend" or going back up to heaven, in 32:5 and 70:4 are talking about the same Event, that is "ascension of the Angels and the Spirit".

Now, consider, it is said "The Night of Decree" is better than 1000 months!
if one says "the meansure of Nigth of decree" is more than a 1000 months, he is not wrong! But that does not mean, the actual Length of Night of decree, is more than a 1000 months! In the same way, it is said, the measure of the Day that, it ascends, is 50,000 years, but that does not mean, its length is 50,000 years.

consider this Hadith. Someone asks Muhammad, if the 50,000 years is the Length of it. He does not confirm this:


قيل : يا رسول الله ما أطول هذا اليوم؟ فقال : والذي نفس محمد بيده أنه ليخفف على المؤمن ، حتى يكون أخف عليه من صلاة مكتوبة يصليها في الدنيا.

And notice in another Hadith Abi Abdullah says, God will accomplish this 50,000 years in Hour:

وروي عن أبي عبدالله 7 أنه قال : لو ولي الحساب غير الله لمكثوا فيه خمسين ألف سنة من قبل أن يفرغوا ، والله سبحانه يفرغ من ذلك في ساعة.

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But it says before day of judgment. So it goes against your concept too, but you don't care. Now you can dismiss the hadith right? Must be a fabrication now that it says before the day of judgment.

there is first a 1000 years period, then Judgement Day Comes. Then on the Judgement Day, the Spirt and Angels (the Command) ascend back to God. Its measure is 50,000 years, but the matter is concluded by God in the Hour!
what is meant by "ascending the command, Spirit, angels " is expiration of the Islamic Laws! Meaning all the commands return to God, because the End has come.

Notice, it is said God sends down the command. In reality, God is not located anywhere. God is not literally or physically up there, as people of the old times imagined. It is said God is Up, only to indicate His Station is above any worldly beings. Otherwise God is not somewhere up there. Consequently, nothing is sent down from up there. Rather, "Angels, the Spirt" are all "symbolic terms" to denote, that the words of God have a station above this world, and they Come from another High Station world. Again, not another location. I am speaking spiritually.

 

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Saying a day is more better then a thousand months is different then saying it's more then a thousand months. Saying a day measurement is 50 000 years is a different statement then saying a certain day is worth 50 000 years. In this case, God could've easily used "qadrahu" instead of "miqdarahu". The latter definitely means it's of 50 000 years, while the former would mean it's worth that much. But you don't want language to have meaning. You want it to mean whatever you want.

As usual, you change the statement slightly to avoid the original meaning. Nothing new here.

23 - حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا علي بن إبراهيم بن هاشم، قال: حدثنا أبي، عن الريان بن الصلت، عن علي بن موسى الرضا عليهما السلام، عن أبيه، عن آبائه، عن أمير المؤمنين عليهم السلام، قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله: قال الله جل جلاله، ما آمن بي من فسر برأيه كلامي، وما عرفني من شبهني بخلقي، وما على ديني من استعمل القياس في ديني.

23. Muhammad ibn Musa ibn al-Mutawakkil (may Allah be pleased with him) said: `Ali ibn Ibrahim ibn Hashim said: My father said on the authority of al-Rayyan ibn al-Salt, on the authority of `Ali ibn Musa al-Riza (AS) on the authority of his father, on the authority of his forefather, on the authority of Commander of the Faithfuly (AS) that The Messenger of Allah (SA) said: Allah, Exalted be His Sublimity, said: He who interprets My Words on the basis of his own personal opinion does not believe in Me. He who compares Me to My Creation does not believe in Me. And he who uses analogy [qiyas] in religion is not of My Religion.

Al-Tawḥīd, Divine Unity and‬‬ Negation of Anthropomorphism, Hadith #23

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And notice in another Hadith Abi Abdullah says, God will accomplish this 50,000 years in Hour:

You are mistranslating another hadith. He doesn't say this.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You are mistranslating another hadith. He doesn't say this.

Feel free to provide correct translation.

 

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Feel free to provide correct translation.

I’ve spent too much energy on you as is. I might sometime.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Saying a day is more better then a thousand months is different then saying it's more then a thousand months.

right.

Saying a day measurement is 50 000 years is a different statement then saying a certain day is worth 50 000 years.

Not necessarily. When it is said its measurement is 50,000 years, you need to ask, according to what measurement or reckoning. How do you know?

And saying measurement of the Day is 50,000 years, is different than saying its length is 50,000 according to your reckoning.

In this case, God could've easily used "qadrahu" instead of "miqdarahu". The latter definitely means it's of 50 000 years, while the former would mean it's worth that much.

Not true. There is not much difference between مقداره and قدره.

If God wanted to say the length of it is 50,000 years why He did not say it, in the same way He did with the 1000 years period?
why He did not say 50,000 years according to your reckoning, in the same way He did with regards to the 1000 years?
There is a reason for that. It is not just arbitrary, if you believe the Quran is words of God.

But you don't want language to have meaning. You want it to mean whatever you want.

As usual, you change the statement slightly to avoid the original meaning. Nothing new here.

23 - حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا علي بن إبراهيم بن هاشم، قال: حدثنا أبي، عن الريان بن الصلت، عن علي بن موسى الرضا عليهما السلام، عن أبيه، عن آبائه، عن أمير المؤمنين عليهم السلام، قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله: قال الله جل جلاله، ما آمن بي من فسر برأيه كلامي، وما عرفني من شبهني بخلقي، وما على ديني من استعمل القياس في ديني.

23. Muhammad ibn Musa ibn al-Mutawakkil (may Allah be pleased with him) said: `Ali ibn Ibrahim ibn Hashim said: My father said on the authority of al-Rayyan ibn al-Salt, on the authority of `Ali ibn Musa al-Riza (AS) on the authority of his father, on the authority of his forefather, on the authority of Commander of the Faithfuly (AS) that The Messenger of Allah (SA) said: Allah, Exalted be His Sublimity, said: He who interprets My Words on the basis of his own personal opinion does not believe in Me. He who compares Me to My Creation does not believe in Me. And he who uses analogy [qiyas] in religion is not of My Religion.

Al-Tawḥīd, Divine Unity and‬‬ Negation of Anthropomorphism, Hadith #23

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But you ignored alot of other verses I quoted and explained In the beginning of my post. You seem to conveniently let go the important parts.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I’ve spent too much energy on you as is. I might sometime.

Sure, take your time.

So far, with all these ongoing discussions, i tried my best to show that, in the Scriptures of God, there are intentional obstacles.
By obstacles, I mean, the verses of God, can guide many, and misguide many.
The 50,000 years is just another example.
Some would understand that, the Judgement Day is after the 50,000 years period, thus, if the judgment Day has passed, as I believe surely it has come already, they take this 50,000 years verse, just as another reason why it has not come yet. This is how God guides and misguides.


Here is another evodence in the following verses:

"They [the unbelievers] see it as something distant, but We see it near" 70:6-7

Question: who are those who see the Judgement Day far?

If you say, these are the disbelievers as in Atheists, then sure they do not believe in the Judgement Day in the first place. So, to say this verse is referring to the disbelievers, is not logical.
If you say, these are the Christians, that also is not true, as many times Christians saying this year is the End and Jesus comes.
So, again, who are those who believe in the Judgement Day, but think it is very far?!!!!

 

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Not true. There is not much difference between مقداره and قدره.

There's a difference. Although they have meeting point where they can be used interchangeably, they also have points where they don't, just like any synonyms in other languages.

To use for worth, it would have use the latter.

 

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If God wanted to say the length of it is 50,000 years why He did not say it, in the same way He did with the 1000 years period?
why He did not say 50,000 years according to your reckoning, in the same way He did with regards to the 1000 years?

The Quran has places it emphasizes on details, and places it doesn't. For example, explaining the term "those who disbelieve" in Surah Auli-Imran, it expands and says "except for those repent and believe..." "however those who die while disbelievers". There the terms there is expansion.

It doesn't have to say "by what you reckon" every time. The times it does, we know from now on, it's by what we reckon.

 

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But you ignored alot of other verses I quoted and explained In the beginning of my post. You seem to conveniently let go the important parts.

We've discussed this before. The verse about 1000 years is not about judgment day unlike the 50 000 years.

 

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You know what? I believe what I believe partly because it works FOR ME. I don't expect others to believe as I do because I want them to believe what works for them. I just expect others to treat me nicely and I do the same to them - first. If not, believe me, it's an oversight on my part, nothing intentional. Now, if someone is actually looking for something to believe in, I will share what has worked for me, with the caveat that this is what works FOR ME. Not necessarily for them, but of course I would love to help them along if they need me to.

So I don't feel like I need to accept other religions in the sense that I don't have to believe them. Do I accept them as being part of this world? Of course I do. Do I accept them as possibly helping their adherents treat me nicely? Of course I do. Otherwise it's no concern of mine.

 

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قيل : يا رسول الله ما أطول هذا اليوم؟ فقال : والذي نفس محمد بيده أنه ليخفف على المؤمن ، حتى يكون أخف عليه من صلاة مكتوبة يصليها في الدنيا.

The Messenger of God was asked about the length of the day? so he said "By that which the soul of Mohammad (s) is in his hands, he will make light on the believers so that it will be for believers easier then a Salah written for him that he prays in this world."


(I don't see how this hadith has anything to do with it)

وروي عن أبي عبدالله 7 أنه قال : لو ولي الحساب غير الله لمكثوا فيه خمسين ألف سنة من قبل أن يفرغوا ، والله سبحانه يفرغ من ذلك في ساعة.

Abu Abdallah (a) "Were it for the reckoning from other then God they would have stayed in fifty thousands years before they are startled, and God (glorified) will startle them from that that in a hour."

Again, not saying what you are saying.