You are soft peddling Islam in the least or lying in the extreme. Death for apostates is simply a well established aspect of the faith, as I have discovered in conversation with many Imams and scholars - Islam has many entrances but no exists - when you join it you cannot leave. This precept directly germinated from Sahih Hadith such as that seen in Bukari where we read Muhammad saying " whoever leaves his religion - execute him". We also see the Koran 9:11 and 9:12 giving clear giving instructions for Moslems to kill those that break their pledge to Islam. And so it is, from the Riddyah wars where we saw Moslems kill those that leave their faith, to recent times where we have a young Christian lady face the death penalty for being deemed an apostate - luckily pressure from the West (and not Moslems) saved her. Apostacy laws are actually in place in many Moslems majority countries - so you need to take up this 'misrepresentation' of your faith with them. It is simply incredulous that despite all the evidence you'd distance Islam from any culpability in shaping these abominable practices.
Similarly, Blasphemey is also not allowed in Islam - to blaspheme against the prophet of Islam is fraught with danger for the non Moslem and I can point to much scriptual and literal evidence for this. Pakistan has substantial anti-blasphemy laws in place which have been used to execute many poor souls and of course we recently saw the OIC try and get blasphemy laws imposed on the entire planet - this was all done in true deceptive fashion of the Moslem by trying to push these laws under the guide of 'anti-defamation' laws. The koran repeatedly points out that pain and death which will befall those who insult Islam and the Hadith goes even fruther - it is for these reasons that Islamic theology has shaped a doctrine which influences its followers to literally go crazy if a picture of Muhammad is shown or a teddy bear is named after him. How on Earth can you rewrite your faith in this way and expect to get away with it??
What is funny about your claims is that if Islam really champions respect for all religions and disallows mockery of other faiths, then Islam would have to automatically ban itself for the Koran and Hadith are deeply disparaging of other faiths. It is astonishingly and specifically offensive to other faiths - for example, the religion of peace openly calls Christanity and Judaism as 'corrupted' faiths. So the Islam you push is inherently contradictory because Islam's best texts mock pretty much every faith in quite appaling fashion.
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Death for apostates is simply a well established aspect of the faith, as I have discovered in conversation with many Imams and scholars - Islam has many entrances but no exists - when you join it you cannot leave. This precept directly germinated from Sahih Hadith such as that seen in Bukari where we read Muhammad saying " whoever leaves his religion - execute him". We also see the Koran 9:11 and 9:12 giving clear giving instructions for Moslems to kill those that break their pledge to Islam. And so it is, from the Riddyah wars where we saw Moslems kill those that leave their faith, to recent times where we have a young Christian lady face the death penalty for being deemed an apostate - luckily pressure from the West (and not Moslems) saved her. Apostacy laws are actually in place in many Moslems majority countries - so you need to take up this 'misrepresentation' of your faith with them. It is simply incredulous that despite all the evidence you'd distance Islam from any culpability in shaping these abominable practices.
Similarly, Blasphemey is also not allowed in Islam - to blaspheme against the prophet of Islam is fraught with danger for the non Moslem and I can point to much scriptual and literal evidence for this. Pakistan has substantial anti-blasphemy laws in place which have been used to execute many poor souls and of course we recently saw the OIC try and get blasphemy laws imposed on the entire planet - this was all done in true deceptive fashion of the Moslem by trying to push these laws under the guide of 'anti-defamation' laws. The koran repeatedly points out that pain and death which will befall those who insult Islam and the Hadith goes even fruther - it is for these reasons that Islamic theology has shaped a doctrine which influences its followers to literally go crazy if a picture of Muhammad is shown or a teddy bear is named after him. How on Earth can you rewrite your faith in this way and expect to get away with it??
What is funny about your claims is that if Islam really champions respect for all religions and disallows mockery of other faiths, then Islam would have to automatically ban itself for the Koran and Hadith are deeply disparaging of other faiths. It is astonishingly and specifically offensive to other faiths - for example, the religion of peace openly calls Christanity and Judaism as 'corrupted' faiths. So the Islam you push is inherently contradictory because Islam's best texts mock pretty much every faith in quite appaling fashion.
Peace be on you.
1- All your complaints show true pain.
2- But it also show that you do not know anything about Ahmadiyya muslims, their promised reformation and what they are facing.
3- Either believe in:
Holy Quran:
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve and thereafter go on increasing in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them, nor guide them to any way of deliverance. (4.138)
or those who tell you otherwise.
All these issues are explained in
Punishment for Apostasy
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/mna/chapter_7.html
You had taken so much pain to type so many lines, please spend some more minutes to read some links given here...Thanks
There are other verses too which tell same...No corporal punishment can be understood to have been mentioned by any stretch of imagination in the those verses of the Holy Quran.
4- You have mentioned Chapter 9, plz read verse from verses 3–14 of that chapter. These speak for themselves and defy all attempts on the part of anyone who would have them understood differently.
Those who deduce from verses 12 and 13 that the Punishment for Apostasy is death offer no explanation of the contradiction this creates with numerous other verses. These verses relate to the period after the migration from Mecca to Medina (see verse 3) when the Quraish of Mecca had embarked upon hostilities to wipe out Islam by force.
The advocates of capital Punishment for Apostasy should remember that these verses refer to idolaters who have broken their pledges and ridicule religion; there is no mention of people renouncing their faith. They have broken their pledge after their firm commitment to it. Those who have become hostile to your religion are the first to initiate hostilities against you. The permission for you to fight them is restricted to their leaders whose covenants are worthless and false. The permission is given in order to stop them from entering into hostile acts against you.
This is the true meaning of these verses which have been misconstrued by the advocates of capital punishment. There is not even the remotest reference to people who renounce their faith being forced to become Muslims.
5- The advocates of capital Punishment for Apostasy misconstrue out of all proportion the traditions narrated about the Holy Prophet sa. Traditions lend no support to their thesis. On the contrary, there are many traditions which clearly show that there is no Punishment for Apostasy in this life.
6- We have observed that neither the Holy Quran nor any reliable traditions of the Holy Prophetsa lend any support to those who advocate capital Punishment for Apostasy. But those advocates have some other tricks up their sleeves. It is necessary to examine their remaining arguments at greater length. Those arguments are based on the opinions of the Companions of the Holy Prophet sa, and not directly on his own personal judgement. .....................At best they can only be regarded as an opinion.
7- To conclude, apostasy is the clear repudiation of a faith by a person who formerly held it. Doctrinal differences, however grave, cannot be deemed to be apostasy. The Punishment for Apostasy lies in the hand of God Almighty, against whom the offence has been committed. Apostasy which is not aggravated by some other crime is not punishable in this world. This is the teaching of God. This was the teaching of the Holy Prophetsa. This is the view confirmed by Hanafi jurists,26Fateh al-Kadeer27 Chalpi,28 Hafiz ibn Qayyim, Ibrahim Nakhai, Sufyan Thauri and many others. The Maududian claim of consensus, concerning the tradition they hold to be true, is a mere fiction.
Source:
Punishment for Apostasy
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/mna/chapter_7.html
8- Freedom of speech (Page 35) and Blasphemy (Page 38) @
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/IslamsResponseToContemporaryIssues.pdf
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/IslamsResponseToContemporaryIssues.pdf
Blasphemy is mentioned at places in Holy Quran. There is no single verse which mentions blasphemy punishable by people.
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Persecution of Ahmadis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
enDOTwikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis
The purpose of all above material is to show what is the real teaching of true Islam in matters of apostasy and blasphemy and # 9 is not gain any sympathy but to tell you what you probably do not know.....Reforms have never been easy! but it is decreed that reformation by Allah the Exalted is always victorious.
Good wishes.
