Ok, the Bible's canon was set by the Roman Catholic church.
Why should another church accept the RCC's authority to set any canon/bar/hermeneutical tool?
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What is a "Christian"!?
- Thread starter Dogknox
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Ok, the Bible's canon was set by the Roman Catholic church.
Why should another church accept the RCC's authority to set any canon/bar/hermeneutical tool?
The Old Testament is the words of Jesus!
The New Testament is the words of Jesus!
The New Testament is the culmination of the Old!
The Old Testament.. EXAMPLE "Saturday Sabbath!"
The New Testament....Colossians 2:16
Colossians 2:16
[ Freedom From Human Rules ] Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
The dietary law of the Old Testament... Is changed by Jesus in the New.
Mark 7:19
For it doesnt go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body. (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Christians believe the scriptures
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Yes, I'm aware of that. It directly contradicts your claim that all the Bible is Jesus' teaching. Kinda why I brought it up. Also? Paul =/= Jesus.
I'm assuming you mean the entire Bible which I understand to be imply by the doctrine of the RCC.
I think it'd be obvious that the RCC doesn't accept the "christianity" of any who doesn't accept the creeds and doctrines of the RCC nor accept the authority of the Pope?
The point being I suppose that in your view a Christian has to conform to this additional requirements put forth by the RCC some 1500 years later.
ONLY...
Only the Scriptures found in the bible are INSPIRED!!!
Sure...
Sure there are other works but you can't be sure they are inspired!!
Look at the fact there are thousands and thousands of man made churches all claiming to believe the scriptures but not even two believe the same! You can't throw other works into the mix and claim these others are also to be believed as INSPIRED!!!
The problem is already HUGE never mind claiming other books are the truly inspired words of Jesus!
ONLY the scriptures can be said to be inspired because only they do not contradict!
Example "Hindu believe to be incarnated!" there holy books are not inspired!
Christians are those who believe the scriptures.. NOT Hindu religious books!
Dogknox
Nakosis Christians believe the scriptures! It is just this simple!
As far as the RCC goes... They teach all men can get into heaven. So you are being judgmental, the RCC believes the scriptures!
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
Hebrews 5:9
and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
1 John 4:21
And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
Nakosis All men who love are OBEYING God!!
Nakosis Do you see it??? Eternal salvation for all who obey him!!!
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Look up "contradict," it's pretty obvious once you know the definition.
Paul wasn't Christ.As far as.. Paul =/= Jesus.
tumbleweed41 What Bible???
All bibles!!!
Give or take one or two manuscripts.. all the manuscripts in the protestant all the manuscripts in the Orthodox etc..
Most are very close to the same!
I am not choose as to what bible as long as it is a bible!
NOT the Book of mormon not a Hindu holy Book!
Bibles are God's words!
Christian believe "A" bible!
Reject the scriptures found in "A" Bible then you are NOT Christian!
Dogknox: Do you consider yourself Catholic?
What do you think of someone who considers 1 Maccabees to be the word of God? What about Esdras? What about the Gospel of Thomas? Which of these people are Christian and which aren't?tumbleweed41 What Bible???
All bibles!!!
Give or take one or two manuscripts.. all the manuscripts in the protestant all the manuscripts in the Orthodox etc..
Most are very close to the same!
I am not choose as to what bible as long as it is a bible!
NOT the Book of mormon not a Hindu holy Book!
Bibles are God's words!
Christian believe "A" bible!
Reject the scriptures found in "A" Bible then you are NOT Christian!
Nakosis Christians believe the scriptures! It is just this simple!
As far as the RCC goes... They teach all men can get into heaven. So you are being judgmental, the RCC believes the scriptures!
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
Hebrews 5:9
and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
1 John 4:21
And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
Nakosis All men who love are OBEYING God!!
Nakosis Do you see it??? Eternal salvation for all who obey him!!!
The comment was in reference to your statement that a Christian has to accept the whole of the Bible as the teachings of Jesus. The canon was officially designated by the council of Trent. I don't see were Jesus commanded this canon must be accepted. So I'd assume it's a specific requirement of individual churches.
9-10ths_Penguin I think you will find your answer in Post #109!!
Christians believe the scriptures.. It is Just this simple!!
Dogknox
FACT when the Canon was closed, this is then it became:Inspired Words of God!
When it was Closed, is when all peoples who read the bible, could be sure, All manuscripts in the bible were: The Inspired words of God! Long before Trent!
It was designated as Official at Trent!
It was "Closed" in 400 A.D.!
Nakosis In 400 A.D. you could read.. "I am with you ALWAYS even to the very end of the age" and you could KNOW without doubt "Jesus would never leave!"
You could KNOW; "Satan will NOT overpower Jesus and take Jesus' body from Jesus!"
You could be sure because; CHRISTIANS believe the scriptures!
Christians believe; God can't lie!
Nakosis They know if God was to lie, he would not be perfect he would not be God!
The canon was created by men. The scriptures were written by men. Simple as that.
I don't know that these men had any authority to close it. You choose to believe that fine. No one is forced to accept it however.
Yes but we are not talking about Jesus, we are talking about men.
So these men who designated what the scripture was to be are also God? Exactly how many people are God in your belief?
Your not going to get Pantheistic on me are you? It's fine if your are I'm just curious were we are heading.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Biblical contradictions
Yeah, they really do.
No. YOU said that the entire Bible was Jesus' teachings. That's CLEARLY not the case. You have Moses and the other Prophets on through to Paul.You pointed out..
I reply.. DUH
Your point is what... "Paul's words are NOT inspired by God!!!??"
Christian believe "A" bible!
Reject the scriptures found in "A" Bible then you are NOT Christian!
Do you consider yourself a Christian?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
What page is that on? And where does it say that once the Bible was compiled, God intended to stop talking?tumbleweed41 What Bible???
All bibles!!!
Give or take one or two manuscripts.. all the manuscripts in the protestant all the manuscripts in the Orthodox etc..
Most are very close to the same!
I am not choose as to what bible as long as it is a bible!
NOT the Book of mormon not a Hindu holy Book!
Bibles are God's words!
Christian believe "A" bible!
Reject the scriptures found in "A" Bible then you are NOT Christian!
2 Nephi 29:3-14 And because my words shall hiss forth -- many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible. But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles? O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people. Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also. And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written. For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written. For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews. And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in one. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever.
Have a nice day, Dogknox!
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