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What is a work?
- Thread starter e.r.m.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
maybe you should at least try to read up on the discourse i'm having with sandy...you said belief, perhaps you should try to be a tad more specific...
yourgraceisenough
Active Member
maybe you should at least try to read up on the discourse i'm having with sandy...
good point well made...
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
You don't believe that.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Belief is the same, work is different.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Speaking of whichmaybe you should at least try to read up on the discourse i'm having with sandy...
Any answer?
waitasec
Veteran Member
yes i do.
what i do defines what i believe...
waitasec
Veteran Member
it is an action you do, regardless.
waitasec
Veteran Member
yourgraceisenough
Active Member
probably because working to earn salvation is actually relying on self righteousness as oppossed to having faith in Jesus..
Also for every good thing we do we probably do a hundred bad things so if we were judged it would not be very good for us...
Also for every good thing we do we probably do a hundred bad things so if we were judged it would not be very good for us...
waitasec
Veteran Member
yes i agree. and faith in god puts some people in a morally superior position, which is only self appointed, because they believe...something they do.
matthew 25:40
... Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
yourgraceisenough
Active Member
yes i agree. and faith in god puts some people in a morally superior position, which is only self appointed, because they believe...something they do.
not when you know you are just a sinner saved by grace, the more you rely on works the more likely you are to be self righteous or proud..
matthew 25:40
... Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
not sure why this scripture is being referenced..
yourgraceisenough
Active Member
Oh I see you are using mattew to make out we do good deeds, cool... it still does not cancel out all the bad things we do..
but at least i know why you used it know....
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I don't have to. The Bible says that faith not works is acceptable for salvation therefore faith is not works.
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
You do still need to define works because your circular argument is flawed.
waitasec
Veteran Member
faith cannot be faith without the ability to believe, which is a work...
it is something you do...
otherwise provide a definition of work and explain how belief isn't a work.
ultimately you play an important role in order to save yourself, you have to believe.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
Oh I see you are using mattew to make out we do good deeds, cool... it still does not cancel out all the bad things we do..
but at least i know why you used it know....
who is talking about canceling out the bad things we do?
i used matthew to show that jesus separated the sheep from the goats based on their deeds...
care to change the word of god again?
:tsk:
besides, it would be morally wrong to abandon ones responsibility and culpability wouldn't it...?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Not according to the Bible.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Certainly not. Try this, A equals C, B does not equal C therefore A does not equal B; where, a=faith, B=work and C=salvation.