What is 'Islamophobia'?

[Revoltingest]

"Liberalphobia": the terrifying terror that making the world a better place will suck

I get to do one too!

Libertarianophobia - The irrational fear that people will run amok if government doesn't control them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Islamophobia.
Could have a wee bit to do with things like this:
Jihad Report
Dec 03, 2016 -
Dec 09, 2016
Attacks
41
Killed
327
Injured
515
Suicide Blasts
6

Countries 11
In ONE week world wide.

ALL OTHER RELIGIONS COMBINED? ZERO.

Doesn't that sum it up pretty well?

I will give you a heads up, that does come off as Islamophobic when you keep posting that, when you keep asking what's 15% of 2 billion (really makes you look stupid), and when you use absolutes in all capital letters. Like it or not, in the Middle East and Africa Christians too are engaging in butchering and slaughtering innocents. In India the occasional Hindu does turn radical (it was a Hindu, afterall, not a Muslim, who killed Gandhi). And not too long ago, here in America, a Christian attacked a crippled atheist with his own cane and even took his wallet. About a decade ago a Christian judge told a divorcing Wiccan couple they cannot expose their children to "non mainstream religion."
None of them are killing more than Muslims are (and it should be pointed out they are targeting and slaughtering mostly each other), but it's foolish to believe other religions don't have their violent adherents and policies. Do not forget, the Aztecs murdered legions of people in the name of "appeasing their gods," and Muslims have the same books as Jews and Christians plus one more. The one real difference, however, is that "Christian Europe," removed god from the state, made him less significant, and independent of religion began to preserve and tolerate rights of speech, association, and religion. "Islamic Middle East/Africa" still needs to kill god, remove him from the state (where they haven't already done so), make their religion less significant, and begin making their own laws independent of religion to preserve and tolerate the things some are coming to the West to kill over.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I get to do one too!

Libertarianophobia - The irrational fear that people will run amok if government doesn't control them.

You may want to change your definition, because it is not an irrational fear people will run amok without a centralized governing body. One of my biggest and main criticisms of Marxism is I do not think a stateless society is entirely possible without severe consequences. There is a reason why the bulk majority of philosophers and political scientists will outright say Anarchy doesn't work. And, ultimately, even Libertarians support various degrees of government control.

 

[Revoltingest]

You may want to change your definition, because it is not an irrational fear people will run amok without a centralized governing body. One of my biggest and main criticisms of Marxism is I do not think a stateless society is entirely possible without severe consequences. There is a reason why the bulk majority of philosophers and political scientists will outright say Anarchy doesn't work. And, ultimately, even Libertarians support various degrees of government control.

Twas a humorous, not rigorous, definition.

 

[YmirGF]

I believe it's a meaningful term. When people see a Caucasian man getting on the same flight at the airport as they're on, they don't even notice. They almost certainly don't even give a second thought to what his religion might be. If, however, the person appears to be Middle-eastern, there is the immediate assumption that he's probably a Muslim (which, in most cases, may even be true). The next thought (even though few would admit it) is that he could be a terrorist. It's sad, but I believe it's unfortunately true. IMO, this is Islamophobia.

You know I am often a stanch supporter of your thoughts, Kathryn, but on this one I simply don't buy in. The point is we don't know if they are one of the peaceful Muslims or not. It isn't so-called "Islamophobia", it's called prudence or being cautious. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with being cautious and certainly no reason to feel guilt for doing so.

 

[YmirGF]

Yes and Christians have had their share of murdering also in the far past, but sadly many are still living in the dark ages.

That reminds me of a Taliban joke I made up several years ago...
Ready?

How many Taliban "freedom fighters" does it take to change a light bulb?

None... (They prefer to live in the dark.)

 

[Katzpur]

You know I am often a stanch supporter of your thoughts, Kathryn, but on this one I simply don't buy in. The point is we don't know if they are one of the peaceful Muslims or not. It isn't so-called "Islamophobia", it's called prudence or being cautious. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with being cautious and certainly no reason to feel guilt for doing so.

I would agree with you if the majority of Muslims were terrorists or terrorist-sympathizers. But, despite the fact that there are far, far, far too many Muslim terrorists in the world, they still represent just a fraction of the believers in Islam.

(I respect the fact that you disagree with my earlier post, but I'm curious as to why you would have rated it as "funny.")

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would agree with you if the majority of Muslims were terrorists or terrorist-sympathizers. But, despite the fact that there are far, far, far too many Muslim terrorists in the world, they still represent just a fraction of the believers in Islam.

That is true. I'd rather not let the terrorist win by assisting in creating a society that is so hostile and unfriendly towards Muslims as a whole that it sends droves into the arms of groups like ISIS. I'm certainly not going to be afraid of a forest because I know there are some venomous snakes in it.

 

[Father Heathen]

Good.so we can conclude that US governments tell lies even to their people to destroy others and show themselves powerful and human while the supporter of all terrorists in ME is US

I was being sarcastic, but it doesn't surprise me that you actually believe that the Apollo program and a spherical earth are hoaxes.

 

[Father Heathen]

I KNEW it, I KNEW it!

Dad was right! The moon landings were a Hollywood stunt!
But what does circumcision have to do with doodley squat?

I said circumnavigation, but it's interesting to know what's been on your mind.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

And does it exist at all?

IMO it is a buzzword used to silence people who voice criticisms of Islam.

We never hear of 'Christianiophobia' or 'Judeophobia' or 'Paganophobia' etc.

It is both. Many defendants of Islam use it to silence critique and criticism. But then we have "good ol' boys Buck Tim, Bobby Joe sue and Billy Tuck" attacking muslims randomly out of hatred for the religion.

So yes it exists but lets be careful and meaningful for when we use the word. I have been called Islamaphobic before because I often debate against Islam. I dont think any of my beliefs are rooted in racist or zenaphobic hate. But my father who is an avid Christian thinks that Obama is a Muslim hell bent on destroying America and that we need to make the middle east a glass crator is definitly a proponent of islamaphobia.

 

[gnostic]

And does it exist at all?

IMO it is a buzzword used to silence people who voice criticisms of Islam.

We never hear of 'Christianiophobia' or 'Judeophobia' or 'Paganophobia' etc.

I have a bunch of different coloured pills to cure all those phobias.

The only phobias that I don't have a cure for, are the fears of clowns and of ventriloquist dummies. Alas, these ones are incurable.

Dr Angelo? Where are you?

 

[jeager106]

You know I am often a stanch supporter of your thoughts, Kathryn, but on this one I simply don't buy in. The point is we don't know if they are one of the peaceful Muslims or not. It isn't so-called "Islamophobia", it's called prudence or being cautious. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with being cautious and certainly no reason to feel guilt for doing so.

Lot to be said for caution and prudence.

 

[shmogie]

It's an irrational fear of a religion. I lived 99% of my life in the Deep South. I have nothing to fear (from experience) from Muslims, but I tense up when around white rednecks and I'm not even black or gay.


Or Christians ignore the fears of minorities.


So the 19 Muslims (or, rather more accurately, 19 buttwipes who called themselves Muslims) were all in our heads?


Judaism and Christianity far predate Islam, though. The apple doesn't fall from the tree.


How effective would their issues be, though, if we didn't suck at their tit? To whine about us hating Muslims when they need us to buy their frickin' oil is silly.


It's not like we should assume Mary was in her 30's, you know.


The bible has a lot more than that and that's not even counting post-biblical history.


Europeans wanted the money being made in pepper.


How can any country letting in people from royally messed up countries not expect some people to be touchy?


How much was the US giving Hussein? A lot of these modern day monsters are of our OWN creation.


"Liberalphobia": the terrifying terror that making the world a better place will suck


White people can be Muslims too, though. White people can be terrorists too, though our media loves to call them "mentally ill" instead.


How many people care when whites do it? How many got death for the crimes they committed? Dylan Roof got a hamburger after what he did. People love to forget conveniently about Tim McVeigh or the Unabomber. Look how white supremacy, many blatantly calling themselves Christian organizations, is flourishing. I finally moved north of the Mason Dixon and I'm STILL surrounded by more CSA crap than I am Muslim signs of fear-mongering.


We are a nation that will only regret our sins when forced to. We are a nation that STILL attacks Natives just to make a buck off their land. Over 200 years and we haven't felt much shame for that YET.


For fun and soul-crushing depression, read comments by alt-right folks.

Christians vs Muslims


Didn't make much of an impression on his followers, though. Wasn't even dead yet before ears were being chopped off.


Nothing says democracy like bombing the crap out of their homes and killing their kids when people have a government you don't like.

An interesting jumble of ill informed and erroneous opinion. Drive by comments, not intended for discussion. Don't EVER make the mistake of confusing the alt right with true Conservative Americans, that's foolish. They are nothing but racist nazi's. If you are trying to make an equivalency, then this one would equally apply, liberals support kim jong il because he is a communist.

 

[shmogie]

A lot of the problems would be solved if we put people first, above politics, religion, race, nationality etc.

The world needs to grow out of this 'us and them' mentality if we want to have peace.

The "world" is composed of humans. Humans are to a greater or lesser extent selfish, territorial, see others as them and us, and all the rest of it. There will be no peace because of humanity in this world. Peace is only to be found elsewhere

 

[shmogie]

Well who knows, their both built on stupid ideas, that cannot be ever taken serous.

Treating your neighbor as you would want to be treated is a "stupid idea" ? Being a peaceful member of the community is "a stupid idea" ? Helping those less fortunate is a "stupid idea" ? Really ?

 

[shmogie]

Islamophobia started with the Devil when he tricked Adam by eating from the tree.
It became heavier with the arrivals of Abraham(burned by the islamhaters but saved by Allah), Moses, Jesus and finally Muhammad peace be upon them.

Now its on boiling level but it will get worse.

Oh please, what total, utter pap. islam is based upon the writings of a sociopath child molester who arose with a "religion" over 400 years after the establishment of Christianity and thousands of years after Judaism. He liberally stole from both and and added his own perverse and violent ideas. He created "believers" by war and destabilization of existing societies. He created "taqiyya" so moslems could comfortably lie about themselves. His followers are threats in every non moslem society in which they exist, and therefore are closely watched. They also love to be "victims" and "offended".

 

[loverofhumanity]

The "world" is composed of humans. Humans are to a greater or lesser extent selfish, territorial, see others as them and us, and all the rest of it. There will be no peace because of humanity in this world. Peace is only to be found elsewhere

I believe in the goodness of humanity. In past ages it was not possible to educate everyone, today it is. We have progressed from the tribe to the nation and the next step is world peace which is inevitable.

 

[psychoslice]

Treating your neighbor as you would want to be treated is a "stupid idea" ? Being a peaceful member of the community is "a stupid idea" ? Helping those less fortunate is a "stupid idea" ? Really ?

There is some good within all religion, even Hitler had some good ideas.

 

[jaybird]

I would agree with you if the majority of Muslims were terrorists or terrorist-sympathizers. But, despite the fact that there are far, far, far too many Muslim terrorists in the world, they still represent just a fraction of the believers in Islam.

(I respect the fact that you disagree with my earlier post, but I'm curious as to why you would have rated it as "funny.")

i have met many muslims face to face in the real world, not only did none of them attempt to murder me they were very nice.
guess all the muslims that are killers are on tv.