What is 'Islamophobia'?

[loverofhumanity]

Your response is irrelevant. Saddam tricked them into believing they had WMD's. You never addressed the FACTS of my post.

It's their own fault they were tricked. They destabilized the entire Middle East on a hunch that was wrong.

 

[YmirGF]

It's their own fault they were tricked. They destabilized the entire Middle East on a hunch that was wrong.

And... were told was wrong for months up to the decision to go in...

 

[jaybird]

I see, we are indeed using different methodologies to quantify corruption.

By this measure, we can say that the UK is the most corrupt, as it started the USA off and is therefore responsible for its corruption.

But wait, the UK was essentially created by England, which is the successor to Germanic states such as Mercia and Wessex, founded by people from what is now Denmark and Germany. So we have to give the prize to Germany!

the leadership is always corrupt. who were the enemies of Jesus, the leadership.

 

[loverofhumanity]

And... were told was wrong for months up to the decision to go in...

They decided they wanted to go in then worked on creating a pretext with dubious satellite photos. Even the UN inspectors said there were no nukes there. This invasion began world terrorism.

Even David Kelly knew it was a trumped up dossier and was under extreme pressure to come up with a dossier that would allow them to invade. He either suicided not being able to cope with endorsing a war or was murdered to ensure he didn't try and stop it.

Question. Every time I post I get a 'post error' saying I have to wait 3 or 4 seconds. After that I discard the post but it does get posted. Any idea? Every post this error appears. Many thanks.

 

[Kirran]

the leadership is always corrupt. who were the enemies of Jesus, the leadership.

So how is the American the most corrupt?

 

[Katzpur]

I believe it's a meaningful term. When people see a Caucasian man getting on the same flight at the airport as they're on, they don't even notice. They almost certainly don't even give a second thought to what his religion might be. If, however, the person appears to be Middle-eastern, there is the immediate assumption that he's probably a Muslim (which, in most cases, may even be true). The next thought (even though few would admit it) is that he could be a terrorist. It's sad, but I believe it's unfortunately true. IMO, this is Islamophobia.

 

[shmogie]

It's their own fault they were tricked. They destabilized the entire Middle East on a hunch that was wrong.

It's their own fault they were tricked. They destabilized the entire Middle East on a hunch that was wrong.

Really ? a hunch ?, so breaking a cease fire agreement, murdering people with WMD's, Refusing inspections of a nuclear facility, removing all the video equipment therein to evaluate compliance, 22 times refusing to allow inspections as required by the UN, is a hunch ? What would you require, the detonation of an atomic bomb before reacting ? I see, so you were quite happy with saddams rule, and that of the taliban ? The latter especially liked to use a soccer stadium built for them by the west to shoot alleged adulterous women in the head, daily. The only destabilization that took place was by osama bin obama, and his liberal cohorts. We can see how the moslems play with each other, what a culture

 

[jaybird]

So how is the American the most corrupt?

man for man they are no worse than the next. but as a unit they can do for more damage as there is no one that has more power at its hands.

 

[shmogie]

I believe it's a meaningful term. When people see a Caucasian man getting on the same flight at the airport as they're on, they don't even notice. They almost certainly don't even give a second thought to what his religion might be. If, however, the person appears to be Middle-eastern, there is the immediate assumption that he's probably a Muslim (which, in most cases, may even be true). The next thought (even though few would admit it) is that he could be a terrorist. It's sad, but I believe it's unfortunately true. IMO, this is Islamophobia.

No, this is being reasonable. The facts are simple, who blows up the planes, stabs people on the street, butchers people in theaters, hotels, on boats or just uses a truck to run children down ? Who comes from the most poorly educated most violent region on earth ? There is a common thread, do you have it ? The Israeli's are far more successful at screening than we, the profile based upon a series of indicators, the first being is a 90 year old woman from Greece more likely to be a terrorist, or a 26 year old muslim male from Libya. The statistics give a most clear answer to this. Protectors deal in probabilities, not political correctness. When the Moslem nations are peaceful and the steady drumbeat of violence and murder by moslems on a daily basis, all over the world, ceases, then I would not blink an eye to one getting on a plane with me. Till then, I will watch

 

[jeager106]

Oh my! Have some of us gotten into which nation is the
best of the worse?
I prefer to believe the U.S. is still the best free nation despite it's
obvious problems.
What nation or government would you prefer to live in other than
the U.S.A.?
There are good choices I'm sure but I don't plan on moving anytime
soon.
About the U.S.A.? Well there is always room for improvement.
Always will be.
I served in the mean streets 22.5 years suffering 13 serious injuries but STILL
wouldn't leave my Country.
Want to change our society?
Vote!

 

[shmogie]

Then I'll have to ask you to go out of your way to find a dictionary definition that defines Islamophobia as an "unreasonable fear." I gave my definition and provided source, your turn. Let's have a discussion.

Edit: changed "irrational" to "unreasonable"

Look up phobia. Phobia's have always been defined as a fear of something beyond reasonableness. It is only lately with the PC crowd that the word phobia has taken on a new meaning. You don't like or associate with who I like and associate with, therefore you are "phobic". I don't have to find a definition of "islamaphobia", this is a newly coined word along with "homophobia" that is used as criticism for not having the "right attitude". I have been around for many decades, I have seen these evolving terms take root as verbal hammers to slap people. Look up phobia, then islamophobia and homophobia from a dictionary from 1980 and tell me what you find.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Look up phobia. Phobia's have always been defined as a fear of something beyond reasonableness. It is only lately with the PC crowd that the word phobia has taken on a new meaning. You don't like or associate with who I like and associate with, therefore you are "phobic". I don't have to find a definition of "islamaphobia", this is a newly coined word along with "homophobia" that is used as criticism for not having the "right attitude".

I agreed with everything up until you started in on homophobia. The term 'phobia' actually applies in this case because there is no rational justification for being hostile to gay people just because they're gay, nor for denying them rights, nor for denying them human dignity as so many countries do based on this inherent trait. Same goes for applying baseless stereotypes, prejudices etc The arguments against homosexuality come from religious texts written by men who lived thousands of years ago and understood significantly less about the world than we do today. The only thing that homophobes can say which is factually accurate is that gay sex doesn't produce children. Unfortunately that perfectly valid observation is then used to justify discrimination against LGBTs.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Really ? a hunch ?, so breaking a cease fire agreement, murdering people with WMD's, Refusing inspections of a nuclear facility, removing all the video equipment therein to evaluate compliance, 22 times refusing to allow inspections as required by the UN, is a hunch ? What would you require, the detonation of an atomic bomb before reacting ? I see, so you were quite happy with saddams rule, and that of the taliban ? The latter especially liked to use a soccer stadium built for them by the west to shoot alleged adulterous women in the head, daily. The only destabilization that took place was by osama bin obama, and his liberal cohorts. We can see how the moslems play with each other, what a culture

There were no nukes found. In hindsight I don't think the USA would have invaded Iraq if they knew the can of worms they would open. I think they regret it now.

 

[Spiderman]

I used to defend Islam before I saw the videos of gorgeous young women dragged into the streets and their skulls split open with rocks and cinder blocks while people chanted "Allahu akbar".

I asked a Somalian immigrant if he believed it was okay to stone adulterers and he said "Yeah, b**** shouldn't be cheating"!

Not to mention there is no stoning of the man guilty of adultery and some of those women are innocent of the charges. When Christians have indulged in such behavior I find it thoroughly disgusting as well, but I can't think of one Christian Government enforcing such barbaric asinine policies.

Jesus never killed anyone or ordered anyone to be killed and said let those who are without sin cast the first stone. He preached that people should love their enemies and turn the other cheek. Muhammad on the other hand was a slave-owner who cut off many heads personally and got rich looting and pillaging cities and caravans.

He also had people killed for insulting him. It is no wonder there are muslims today who believe that behavior is okay. What would Muhammad do?

The fact that 100% of the Governments that kill people for being homosexual, stone adulterers, force women to be veiled, or imprison/execute people for blasphemy are Muslim, shows there is an obvious correlation between Islam and that behavior (Religious intolerance), meaning the fear isn't irrational, therefore isn't a phobia.

Surah Al-Maidah 5:33
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

The author of the Koran had fantasies of torturing, mutilating, and killing people. ISIS can find plenty of justification for what they do in the Koran, hadiths, and life of the prophet and early Muslims. When there is a real and present threat that is destroying many lives, I don't think it is a phobia to resent it and resist it.

 

[Father Heathen]

This not the debate???

If this is not the debate what would be then???

It's as clear as day that US exploded those building to defame Islam and put Muslims under pressure and introduce Muslims as terrorists

They also faked the moon landings and circumnavigation.

 

[psychoslice]

Of course there are many who are paranoid with Islam, don't you read the news ?, this would also be the same for any religion that has crack pots within them.

 

[shmogie]

There were no nukes found. In hindsight I don't think the USA would have invaded Iraq if they knew the can of worms they would open. I think they regret it now.

You very well could be right. I supported the invasion because I believed those people deserved a shot at freedom and democracy. I will not let those kind of sympathies get in the way again. Tribal and backward cultures used to and desiring authoritarian rule cannot become democratic. Opposed to then, I now feel that trying to establish democracy for the entire middle east wouldn't be worth the life of one American soldier. I too now regret the invasion, we should have let them keep their butcher dictators. As to nukes, what if we simply ignored saddam, and he had them ? Would you take that risk ?

 

[shmogie]

Of course there are many who are paranoid with Islam, don't you read the news ?, this would also be the same for any religion that has crack pots within them.

Not crackpots, a plethora of murderers

 

[buddhist]

I want to know what people mean when they call someone an 'Islamophobe'.

Usually, when I hear people use the word "Islamophobe" against others, it seems to me that they usually use the word in a way to mean "you're someone who irrationally hates Muslims!"

If I use the word "Islamaphobe", I strictly mean "someone who fears Islam". FYI, I see many good, rational reasons to fear Islam, and in such a way, someone can accurately call me an "Islamaphobe".

 

[psychoslice]

Not crackpots, a plethora of murderers

Yes and Christians have had their share of murdering also in the far past, but sadly many are still living in the dark ages.