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What is the day of judgment per Quran?

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Salam

The second verse of Surah Waqiah should put a nail on the coffin on this debate.

لَيْسَ لِوَقْعَتِهَا كَاذِبَةٌ | —there is none to it's befalling a denial— | Al-Waaqia : 2

The first word, is not "no", this verse, in the past @InvestigateTruth said it can mean "there should be no denial of day of judgment" type meaning, but the first word means there is none, none of what?

It means when it befalls, there is no denial of it at all from anyone.

If you understand the original Arabic, it can't mean "let there be no denial of this event". It's rather a statement that when the event befalls, there will be no denial of it at all from anyone or anything. Everyone will acknowledge that it has befallen them.
 

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Feature 9 - Faith won't benefit on day of judgment for disbelievers

قُلْ يَوْمَ الْفَتْحِ لَا يَنْفَعُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِيمَانُهُمْ وَلَا هُمْ يُنْظَرُونَ | Say, ‘On the day of judgement their [newly found] faith will not avail those who disbelieved, nor will they be granted any respite.’ | As-Sajda : 29

Allah, la rahman, al rahim???? Apparently not.
 

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Allah, la rahman, al rahim???? Apparently not.
Allah, la rahman, al rahim???? Apparently not.
You did some good research into many topics though I disagree with some of your conclusions. Why don't you research what is the Quranic response to your problem. I think you will find this has many verses and in more Surahs that the main topics you've researched. Open a thread and write down your thoughts like you've done others.

At least you reflect over Quran which is a good thing. You might not be guided now, but I believe if you continue and persevere, and understand Quran, you will be guided.
 

InvestigateTruth

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Salam

The second verse of Surah Waqiah should put a nail on the coffin on this debate.

لَيْسَ لِوَقْعَتِهَا كَاذِبَةٌ | —there is none to it's befalling a denial— | Al-Waaqia : 2

The first word, is not "no", this verse, in the past @InvestigateTruth said it can mean "there should be no denial of day of judgment" type meaning, but the first word means there is none, none of what?

It means when it befalls, there is no denial of it at all from anyone.

If you understand the original Arabic, it can't mean "let there be no denial of this event". It's rather a statement that when the event befalls, there will be no denial of it at all from anyone or anything. Everyone will acknowledge that it has befallen them.
Salam,

Ok, let's look at verse 56:2

لَيْسَ لِوَقْعَتِهَا كَاذِبَةٌ

Would you agree that the correct translation is:

"There is no lying about its befalling"

The word كاذبة means "Lying". It does not mean "denial", unless you interpret it that way. But, to prove your point, bring a Hadith how infallible Imams interpreted this verse.

This verse means, that there is no Lie about the event, meaning it will surely happen.
In fact, the Quran says, it happens in a thousand years. Baha'is believe it did already happen.
 

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But during time of Mohammad (s), there was people who saw it as a lie and called it a lie. This verse is saying there will be no one calling it a lie.
 

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Salam

The preceding verse says "when the event comes to pass", so the preceding verse shows something different and unique to when it passes. Mohammad (s) not lying about it and believers not lying about it, does not change "when the event comes to pass". So the context preceding it shows it to regarding lying towards the event happening. When it happens, no one will call it a lie but know it to be truly an event.
 

InvestigateTruth

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Salam

The preceding verse says "when the event comes to pass", so the preceding verse shows something different and unique to when it passes. Mohammad (s) not lying about it and believers not lying about it, does not change "when the event comes to pass". So the context preceding it shows it to regarding lying towards the event happening. When it happens, no one will call it a lie but know it to be truly an event.
You are reading more than what it says. It does not say "no one will call it a lie". It says what it says. It says the event is not a lie, not that, they will not call it a lie when it comes to pass. There is no "they" in the verse.
 

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You are reading more than what it says. It does not say "no one will call it a lie". It says what it says. It says the event is not a lie, not that, they will not call it a lie when it comes to pass. There is no "they" in the verse.
I'm reading it with the context of the preceding verse. And it's impossible to translate as you said. It does not say "the event when it passes is not a lie". Laysa means "there is none" "regarding it's passing a denial/calling it a lie". Putting with the preceding verse, it's referring to something special at the time of the event. And it means yes, there no denial concerning it's passing at all when it comes to pass.
 

InvestigateTruth

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I'm reading it with the context of the preceding verse. And it's impossible to translate as you said. It does not say "the event when it passes is not a lie". Laysa means "there is none" "regarding it's passing a denial/calling it a lie". Putting with the preceding verse, it's referring to something special at the time of the event. And it means yes, there no denial concerning it's passing at all when it comes to pass.
If you want context, let's read the rest of it:

When it happens.
There is no lying about it.
Lowering some and raising others.


It says, when it happens there is no lying about it, some will be abased and some will be exalted.

This is the characteristic of every Revelation from God. Evertime, a new Revelation comes, those who accept it, are exalted and those who reject it, are abased and fallen.
 

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At least you reflect over Quran which is a good thing. You might not be guided now, but I believe if you continue and persevere, and understand Quran, you will be guided.

You must know by now that the only reason I reflect over the Qur'an is to understand where the hate and the jihad come from. And you also know I found it. Many times over.
 

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If you want context, let's read the rest of it:

When it happens.
There is no lying about it.
Lowering some and raising others.


It says, when it happens there is no lying about it, some will be abased and some will be exalted.

This is the characteristic of every Revelation from God. Evertime, a new Revelation comes, those who accept it, are exalted and those who reject it, are abased and fallen.
You can change to what you want doesn’t change the original.
 

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You can't win with Bahais, even if a verse says something they can't refute, they will change the translation and make it mean something different and impossible.

One of the following verses was already quoted I think, but will quote some that follow:

فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَلَا أَنْسَابَ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ وَلَا يَتَسَاءَلُونَ | When the Trumpet is blown, there will be no ties between them on that day, nor will they ask [about] each other. | Al-Muminoon : 101

فَمَنْ ثَقُلَتْ مَوَازِينُهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ | Then those whose deeds weigh heavy in the scales—it is they who are the felicitous. | Al-Muminoon : 102

وَمَنْ خَفَّتْ مَوَازِينُهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ خَسِرُوا أَنْفُسَهُمْ فِي جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدُونَ | As for those whose deeds weigh light in the scales—they will be the ones who have ruined their souls, and they will remain in hell [forever]. | Al-Muminoon : 103

تَلْفَحُ وُجُوهَهُمُ النَّارُ وَهُمْ فِيهَا كَالِحُونَ | The Fire will scorch their faces, while they snarl baring their teeth. | Al-Muminoon : 104

أَلَمْ تَكُنْ آيَاتِي تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْكُمْ فَكُنْتُمْ بِهَا تُكَذِّبُونَ | ‘Was it not that My signs were recited to you but you would deny them?’ | Al-Muminoon : 105

قَالُوا رَبَّنَا غَلَبَتْ عَلَيْنَا شِقْوَتُنَا وَكُنَّا قَوْمًا ضَالِّينَ | They will say, ‘Our Lord! Our wretchedness overcame us, and we were an astray lot. | Al-Muminoon : 106

رَبَّنَا أَخْرِجْنَا مِنْهَا فَإِنْ عُدْنَا فَإِنَّا ظَالِمُونَ | Our Lord! Bring us out of this! Then, if we revert [to our previous conduct], we will indeed be wrongdoers.’ | Al-Muminoon : 107

قَالَ اخْسَئُوا فِيهَا وَلَا تُكَلِّمُونِ | He will say, ‘Begone in it, and do not speak to Me! | Al-Muminoon : 108

إِنَّهُ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِنْ عِبَادِي يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا فَاغْفِرْ لَنَا وَارْحَمْنَا وَأَنْتَ خَيْرُ الرَّاحِمِينَ | Indeed there was a part of My servants who would say, ‘‘Our Lord! We have believed. So forgive us, and have mercy on us, and You are the best of the merciful.’’ | Al-Muminoon : 109

فَاتَّخَذْتُمُوهُمْ سِخْرِيًّا حَتَّىٰ أَنْسَوْكُمْ ذِكْرِي وَكُنْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ تَضْحَكُونَ | But you took them by ridicule until they made you forget My remembrance, and you used to laugh at them. | Al-Muminoon : 110

إِنِّي جَزَيْتُهُمُ الْيَوْمَ بِمَا صَبَرُوا أَنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْفَائِزُونَ | Indeed I have rewarded them this day for their patience. They are indeed the triumphant.’ | Al-Muminoon : 111



These verses paint an image, that people will acknowledge the truth, but it's a too late scenario. Furthermore, it says disbeliever will not ask about each other this day and all ties between disbelievers will go away.

There is no single verse that even leads to the plausibility of the Bahai interpretation.
 

InvestigateTruth

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You can change to what you want doesn’t change the original.
Let me ask you a question.

In your understanding, if Qaim comes or has come, is it acceptable to God, if one rejects the Qaim, yet says I believe in one God?
If a person lives after the Manifestation of the Qaim, and believes in Allah, in Muhammad, and that the Quran is word of God, but when Qaim came, rejects Him, disbelieves in Him, is this acceptable to God, or such a person will be punished by Allah for rejection of the Qaim?




If you say, it is not necessary to believe in the Qaim, and as long as one believes in Allah and Quran, that is enough for Allah, you surely go against the words of Muhammad and infallible Imams.
As a Shia, you have no choice but to say, that, believing in Qaim is a requirement. Right?
Then how is it that in the verse, 2:62, it does not say, that you must also believe in the Qaim?

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the f Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."


To solve this puzzle, refer to what infallible Imams have said. They have said, Last Day, or Day of Resurrection, is the Day of Rise of Qaim!
 

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Salam

The puzzle does not need to be solved in the way you suggest.

Here let's see other similar verses:

مَا أَصَابَ مِنْ مُصِيبَةٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ يَهْدِ قَلْبَهُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ | No affliction visits [anyone] except by Allah’s leave. Whoever has faith in Allah, He guides his heart, and Allah has knowledge of all things. | At-Taghaabun : 11

يَوْمَ يَجْمَعُكُمْ لِيَوْمِ الْجَمْعِ ۖ ذَٰلِكَ يَوْمُ التَّغَابُنِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ وَيَعْمَلْ صَالِحًا يُكَفِّرْ عَنْهُ سَيِّئَاتِهِ وَيُدْخِلْهُ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ | When He will you bring you together for the Day of Gathering, it will be a day of privation [and regret]. As for those who have faith in Allah and act righteously, He shall absolve them of their misdeeds and admit them into gardens with streams running in them, to remain in them forever. That is the great success. | At-Taghaabun : 9


وَهَٰذَا كِتَابٌ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ مُصَدِّقُ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَلِتُنْذِرَ أُمَّ الْقُرَىٰ وَمَنْ حَوْلَهَا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۖ وَهُمْ عَلَىٰ صَلَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ | Blessed is this Book, which We have sent down, confirming what was [revealed] before it, so that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are guards of their prayers. | Al-An'aam : 92
 

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You must know by now that the only reason I reflect over the Qur'an is to understand where the hate and the jihad come from. And you also know I found it. Many times over.

This is what you tell yourself. But maybe part of you is searching.
 

InvestigateTruth

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Salam

The puzzle does not need to be solved in the way you suggest.

Here let's see other similar verses:

مَا أَصَابَ مِنْ مُصِيبَةٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ يَهْدِ قَلْبَهُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ | No affliction visits [anyone] except by Allah’s leave. Whoever has faith in Allah, He guides his heart, and Allah has knowledge of all things. | At-Taghaabun : 11

يَوْمَ يَجْمَعُكُمْ لِيَوْمِ الْجَمْعِ ۖ ذَٰلِكَ يَوْمُ التَّغَابُنِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ وَيَعْمَلْ صَالِحًا يُكَفِّرْ عَنْهُ سَيِّئَاتِهِ وَيُدْخِلْهُ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ | When He will you bring you together for the Day of Gathering, it will be a day of privation [and regret]. As for those who have faith in Allah and act righteously, He shall absolve them of their misdeeds and admit them into gardens with streams running in them, to remain in them forever. That is the great success. | At-Taghaabun : 9


وَهَٰذَا كِتَابٌ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ مُصَدِّقُ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَلِتُنْذِرَ أُمَّ الْقُرَىٰ وَمَنْ حَوْلَهَا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۖ وَهُمْ عَلَىٰ صَلَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ | Blessed is this Book, which We have sent down, confirming what was [revealed] before it, so that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are guards of their prayers. | Al-An'aam : 92
The other verse that I quoted is different. It is talking about who would not have fear of punishment or grief.

Beside this, you brought up verse 56:2. If you continue reading the verses of Surah 56, you get to the verse 50:

لَمَجْمُوعُونَ إِلَىٰ مِيقَـٰتِ يَوْمٍۢ مَّعْلُومٍۢ ٥٠

"will surely be gathered ˹together˺ for the appointed Day." 56:50


The Infallible Imams have said, the "Appointed Day" is the time of Rise of the Qaim:

القمي: ج‌ 2 ص‌ 245 - أخبرنا أحمد بن إدريس قال: حدثنا أحمد بن محمد، عن محمد بن يونس، عن رجل، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام في قول الله تبارك وتعالى: فأنظرني إلى يوم يبعثون قال فإنك من المنظرين إلى يوم الوقت المعلوم، قال: - * * * يوم الوقت المعلوم هو يوم ظهور المهدي عليه السلام


Translation: Imam Abi Abdullah said, "Appointed time" is Day of Manifestation of the Mahdi.

And here is another Hadith from Imam Ridha:


- (الامام الرضا عليه السلام) "
لا دين لمن لا ورع له، ولا إيمان لمن لا تقية له إن أكرمكم عند الله أعملكم بالتقية، فقيل له: يا ابن رسول الله إلى متى ؟ قال: إلى يوم الوقت المعلوم، وهو يوم خروج قائمنا أهل البيت فمن ترك التقية قبل خروج قائمنا فليس منا.

: someone aked Imam Ridha about Taqayyah, and utill when to do Taqayyah, Imam Ridha replied, until "Appointed Time", which is Day of rise of our Qaim.

From these Hadithes, we understand how infallible Imams interpreted the Quranic term (يوم الوقت المعلوم) Day of Appointed Time.
Thus the verses in Surrah 56, is about the signs related to the Manifestation of the Qaim.

The difference between what I tell you, and what you have learned from Mullas and Akhoonds, is, my interpretation are based on what infallible Imams have said, whereas Mullahs and Akhoonds interpreted based their own imagination (تفسير بالرأي). It is upto you who to believe.
 

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And how does that difference change anything.
Ok, let's see below
Salam

The puzzle does not need to be solved in the way you suggest.

Here let's see other similar verses:

مَا أَصَابَ مِنْ مُصِيبَةٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ يَهْدِ قَلْبَهُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ | No affliction visits [anyone] except by Allah’s leave. Whoever has faith in Allah, He guides his heart, and Allah has knowledge of all things. | At-Taghaabun : 11

Let's look at the context of the verses from earlier verses of the same Surrah:


أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ نَبَؤُا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ مِن قَبْلُ فَذَاقُوا۟ وَبَالَ أَمْرِهِمْ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌۭ ٥


Have the stories of those who disbelieved before not reached you ˹pagans˺? They tasted the evil consequences of their doings, and they will suffer a painful punishment.

ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُۥ كَانَت تَّأْتِيهِمْ رُسُلُهُم بِٱلْبَيِّنَـٰتِ فَقَالُوٓا۟ أَبَشَرٌۭ يَهْدُونَنَا فَكَفَرُوا۟ وَتَوَلَّوا۟ ۚ وَّٱسْتَغْنَى ٱللَّهُ ۚ وَٱللَّهُ غَنِىٌّ حَمِيدٌۭ ٦


That was because their messengers used to come to them with clear proofs, but they said ˹mockingly˺, “How can humans be our guides?” So they persisted in disbelief and turned away. And Allah was not in need ˹of their faith˺. For Allah is Self-Sufficient, Praiseworthy.


If you look at verses 5 and 6, it is talking about consequences of rejection of previous Messengers by people of the older times.
we need to ask ourself, for who these verses are given as a Lesson? Why would Allah talk about consequences of rejection of previous Messengers, in the Quran, which is a guidence to believers?

The next verse should give a clue. see, immediately after the above verses, it talks about Resurrection:


زَعَمَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَن لَّن يُبْعَثُوا۟ ۚ قُلْ بَلَىٰ وَرَبِّى لَتُبْعَثُنَّ ثُمَّ لَتُنَبَّؤُنَّ بِمَا عَمِلْتُمْ ۚ وَذَٰلِكَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ يَسِيرٌۭ ٧

The disbelievers claim they will not be resurrected. Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Yes, by my Lord, you will surely be resurrected, then you will certainly be informed of what you have done. And that is easy for Allah.”

Now, my previous question remains here unanswered. Why does God mentions the consequences of rejection of previous Messengers by older times people, and also gives a warning about Not believing in Resurrection of the Dead, but it does not give warning about Rejection of the Qaim, who is the next Messenger?

Solve this problem!

Here is a hint, from a Hadith in Bihar:

أَنَّ اللَّهَ يُحْيِي الْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ مَوْتِهَا قَدْ بَيَّنَّا لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ

“Know that Allah gives life to the earth after its death; indeed, We have
made the communications clear to you that you may understand.” (Surah
Hadid 57:17)

Imam Muhammad Baqir (a.s.) said: “Allah, the Exalted will revive it through the Qaim after its death;
its death implies disbelief of its inhabitants, because the disbelievers are dead.”


Here is another hint:

Tafsir Ayyashi: Jabir has narrated from Imam Muhammad Baqir (a.s.) that
he said with regard to the words of the Almighty Allah:

أَمْواتٌ غَيْرُ أَحْيَاء
“Dead (are they), not living…” (Surah Nahl 16:21)

It implies infidels and not believers.

وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
“…and they know not when they shall be raised.” (Surah Nahl 16:21)

It implies that they will not bring faith, they will remain as polytheists.


Here is another verse:

"And one of His signs is that He shows you lightning, inspiring ˹you with˺ hope and fear. And He sends down rain from the sky, reviving the earth after its death. Surely in this are signs for people who understand." 30:24

What signs are in this verse for people who think? The signs become clear by knowing the meaning of Symbols in the Quran. Is this verse talking about physical lightning or this is a Symbol with a hidden meaning? Is this verse talking about physical rain that revives the earth, or this is a symbol with a hidden meaning?
 
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InvestigateTruth

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You can't win with Bahais, even if a verse says something they can't refute, they will change the translation and make it mean something different and impossible.

One of the following verses was already quoted I think, but will quote some that follow:

Ok, let's look at the verses you quoted.
فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَلَا أَنْسَابَ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ وَلَا يَتَسَاءَلُونَ | When the Trumpet is blown, there will be no ties between them on that day, nor will they ask [about] each other. | Al-Muminoon : 101

Infallible Imams have said, the Trumpet, represents Rise of the Qaim:

For when the trumpet is sounded,…” (Surah Muddaththir 74:8)


It is mentioned in Ghaibat Nomani narrating from Imam Ja’far Sadiq
(a.s.) that when he was asked about the interpretation of this verse, he said:

An Imam from among us will disappear. Thus when the Almighty Allah
intends to make him appear, He will make a sign appear in his heart
and in

this way he will appear with the command of the Almighty Allah.

This verse means, when the Qaim comes, during His Dispensation, there will be many divisions among Muslims, and No ties among them. Did not that happen? Are not Muslims so divided, and many have lost their faith? They disagree about Islam. The unity that existed before has become less and less.

فَمَنْ ثَقُلَتْ مَوَازِينُهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ | Then those whose deeds weigh heavy in the scales—it is they who are the felicitous. | Al-Muminoon : 102

وَمَنْ خَفَّتْ مَوَازِينُهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ خَسِرُوا أَنْفُسَهُمْ فِي جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدُونَ | As for those whose deeds weigh light in the scales—they will be the ones who have ruined their souls, and they will remain in hell [forever]. | Al-Muminoon : 103

By the scale is meant the "Standards" by which they will be judged. That is, God will give a new Law, which is a new standard. This new Law is through the Qaim. Whoever does not follow the new Law, will ruin his soul, and will remain in Hell. By "Hell" is meant remoteness from truth.

تَلْفَحُ وُجُوهَهُمُ النَّارُ وَهُمْ فِيهَا كَالِحُونَ | The Fire will scorch their faces, while they snarl baring their teeth. | Al-Muminoon : 104
By the "Fire" is meant disunity and war among the Muslims. There are verses in the Quran, we can understand the symbolic meaning of the Fire. For example when Arabs were in conflict and disunity, then they became Muslims, Allah said, you were in Fire, and Allah saved you.


أَلَمْ تَكُنْ آيَاتِي تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْكُمْ فَكُنْتُمْ بِهَا تُكَذِّبُونَ | ‘Was it not that My signs were recited to you but you would deny them?’ | Al-Muminoon : 105

قَالُوا رَبَّنَا غَلَبَتْ عَلَيْنَا شِقْوَتُنَا وَكُنَّا قَوْمًا ضَالِّينَ | They will say, ‘Our Lord! Our wretchedness overcame us, and we were an astray lot. | Al-Muminoon : 106
Let me ask you a question..
Do you believe these verses imply that a direct conversation between Allah and mankind will happen? Do you think, these verses mean that, Allah has a mouth or voice, and talks to makind? In what Language? Arabic? Germany? French? English? Would Allah go to each person, and talk in the language they understand? Does that make sense to you?

That doesn't make any sense to me. Therefore I interpret these verses as signs and allusions, rather than as literal.

when it says "Was it not that My signs were recited to you but you would deny them?’"

These are the words of Allah revealed through the Qaim. The Qaim will tell them, that did not Allah tell you before about Me? Did not Allah give signs regarding Me, and that if you reject Me, there will be consequences and punishment?


Did not this happen already? Did not Baha'u'llah say all these things to mankind?

Allah says these words through the Qaim, but it does not mean, the disbelievers will really hear the words. Even as the Quran says, in the Day of Resurrection, disbelieves are raised as deaf and blind!



Then Allah gives them punishment because of their rejection of the new Messenger by sending difficulties and suffering to them as verse 107 implies.

Even as you see how much suffering is happening in the Muslim countries, such as Palestinian. and they pray to Allah:


رَبَّنَا أَخْرِجْنَا مِنْهَا فَإِنْ عُدْنَا فَإِنَّا ظَالِمُونَ | Our Lord! Bring us out of this! Then, if we revert [to our previous conduct], we will indeed be wrongdoers.’ | Al-Muminoon : 107

This verse implies our current time. Are not many Muslims praying God to bring them out of this Fire? Are not praying to God to help them from the sufferings?

But Allah does not accept their prayers and does not stop the punishment any time soon, as the next verse implies:

قَالَ اخْسَئُوا فِيهَا وَلَا تُكَلِّمُونِ | He will say, ‘Begone in it, and do not speak to Me! | Al-Muminoon : 108


However, the Muslims think that they are believers since they believe in Allah and the last Religion. Thus they don't expect Allah punish them too much as the next verse implies:

إِنَّهُ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِنْ عِبَادِي يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا فَاغْفِرْ لَنَا وَارْحَمْنَا وَأَنْتَ خَيْرُ الرَّاحِمِينَ | Indeed there was a part of My servants who would say, ‘‘Our Lord! We have believed. So forgive us, and have mercy on us, and You are the best of the merciful.’’ | Al-Muminoon : 109
(They think because they are Muslims, they have believed, not knowing their belief is no longer accepted).

But Allah rejects their request to stop the punishment because they rejected the Qaim (Remembrance of Allah) and made fun of Him:
فَاتَّخَذْتُمُوهُمْ سِخْرِيًّا حَتَّىٰ أَنْسَوْكُمْ ذِكْرِي وَكُنْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ تَضْحَكُونَ | But you took them by ridicule until they made you forget My remembrance, and you used to laugh at them. | Al-Muminoon : 110

Instead Allah rewards those who waited patiently and believed in the Qaim, at the time of His Manifestation, which is in our current Time:

إِنِّي جَزَيْتُهُمُ الْيَوْمَ بِمَا صَبَرُوا أَنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْفَائِزُونَ | Indeed I have rewarded them this day for their patience. They are indeed the triumphant.’ | Al-Muminoon : 111


These verses paint an image, that people will acknowledge the truth, but it's a too late scenario. Furthermore, it says disbeliever will not ask about each other this day and all ties between disbelievers will go away.

There is no single verse that even leads to the plausibility of the Bahai interpretation.

What do you think about my explanation of the verses?
When Allah answers prayers, it doea not mean, people actually hear the voice of Allah literally. But the will of Allah, indicates if Allah accepted their prayers or rejected them. Verses that you quoted, must be seen as such!


Do you know Hadithes that says "Remembrance of God" is the Qaim?
 
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