What is the most important message of Jesus?

[Redemptionsong]

Jesus calles himself THE LIGHT/ILLUMINATION! That is what John 1 actually calls him! It does not say he is the Logos,. It says the Logos entered him.

The KJV of John 1:1 is entirely accurate.
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God'
It's confirmed by Revelation 19:13: 'And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.'

Like it or not, Ingledsva, this is the truth of scripture. And everywhere we find Jesus Christ confirmed as the Son of God, and as the risen Saviour.
He is ALSO called the LIGHT. What does John say about the light? 'GOD IS LIGHT AND IN HIM IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL' (1 John 1:5)

 

[Redemptionsong]

I don't think that there is any reason to associate the Prophets, with incorrect ideas, later, held by Jews. This is not how Jesus explained things, and Jesus even aside, here, it puts a strange emphasis, on incorrect concepts, related to, correct Scripture.

I may not have understood your point here, disciple. I don't believe that I'm associating the prophets with incorrect ideas. The two greatest commandments were given to Moses (in Deuteronomy and in Leviticus) as part of the Law. Jesus repeated the law, and fulfilled it.

It's in the fulfilment of the law that we see the true credentials of Jesus.

 

[Ingledsva]

Ingledsva, the OP asks what we believe to be the most important message of Jesus. In answering this question, people have quoted the two most important commandments of God. I am not disputing that Jesus says that they are the two most important commandments.

BUT these commandments were known by Jews before Jesus came as Messiah. I do not believe that his role was to REPEAT what had already been stated by the prophets of the Old Covenant. The message of Jesus was radical and new.

Jesus gives us the MEANS to fulfil the commandments. He enables us to enter in to a new relationship with our LORD.

LOL! The Fact that he did - means it is. - We can assume he meant what he said.

He didn't say, "I don't really want to say this but I have to because it is in the OT!"

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[Ingledsva]

The KJV of John 1:1 is entirely accurate.
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God'
It's confirmed by Revelation 19:13: 'And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.'

Like it or not, Ingledsva, this is the truth of scripture. And everywhere we find Jesus Christ confirmed as the Son of God, and as the risen Saviour.
He is ALSO called the LIGHT. What does John say about the light? 'GOD IS LIGHT AND IN HIM IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL' (1 John 1:5)

And how EXACTLY does John 1:1 make Jesus God?

It does not actually say ANYWHERE in John 1, - that Jesus is the word/Logos.

It actually says Jesus is the Light/Illumination.

It says the Logos became infleshed - IN HIM, - not that he was it!!!

He himself tells us he is the light, and the Messiah.

Neither of which are God.

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[Redemptionsong]

LOL! The Fact that he did - means it is. - We can assume he meant what he said.

He didn't say, "I don't really want to say this but I have to because it is in the OT!"

Ingledsva, you're not listening.

Jesus SAYS that these commandments are the greatest because they ARE the greatest. This is not disputed!

What is in doubt is our ABILITY to fulfil the commandments and to love perfectly. If we follow the lusts of the flesh we cannot please God. Jesus Christ is offering us freedom from sin. He is the way of salvation.

 

[Redemptionsong]

It says the Logos became infleshed - IN HIM, - not that he was it!!!

He himself tells us he is the light, and the Messiah.

What do you mean by 'infleshed'?

The Word of God, Jesus Christ, is the Word of his Father. The Son enacts what the Father wills.

How can you BE THE LIGHT, without having the same authority as the Father in heaven?

For God to come to Earth he requires an earthly vessel. This vessel was Jesus. Jesus was a perfect, sinless, vessel. And after resurrection, the vessel itself was transformed. Jesus Christ ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of his Father.

 

[Ingledsva]

What do you mean by 'infleshed'?

The Word of God, Jesus Christ, is the Word of his Father. The Son enacts what the Father wills.

How can you BE THE LIGHT, without having the same authority as the Father in heaven?

For God to come to Earth he requires an earthly vessel. This vessel was Jesus. Jesus was a perfect, sinless, vessel. And after resurrection, the vessel itself was transformed. Jesus Christ ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of his Father.

I mean that John 1 says the Logos entered into Jesus. - It does not say Jesus is the Logos.

John 1 does however say that Jesus is the light/illumination.

Of course it says the "son" enacts the Father's will. It would be a stupid vessel that didn't.

Jesus tells us God does all the miracles - not him.

Jesus only claimed to be the awaited - HUMAN - Jewish Messiah.

He nowhere claims to be God, part of a trinity, etc.

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[Redemptionsong]

I mean that John 1 says the Logos entered into Jesus. - It does not say Jesus is the Logos.

1 John 5:11,12 says, 'And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.'

You cannot separate the Word from the person of Jesus Christ.

By trying to bypass Christ to get to God, you bypass life, light and truth. You cannot gain eternal life without accepting Christ as the Truth.

In 2 Corinthians 5:16 it says, 'Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.'

Ingledsva, you keep telling me how important it is to know Jesus after the flesh (the 'awaited human Jewish Messiah'), but it's the risen Christ, of whose spiritual body believers now are part, who gives new life.

 

[Ingledsva]

I mean that John 1 says the Logos entered into Jesus. - It does not say Jesus is the Logos.

1 John 5:11,12 says, 'And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.'

You cannot separate the Word from the person of Jesus Christ.

By trying to bypass Christ to get to God, you bypass life, light and truth. You cannot gain eternal life without accepting Christ as the Truth.

In 2 Corinthians 5:16 it says, 'Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.'

Ingledsva, you keep telling me how important it is to know Jesus after the flesh (the 'awaited human Jewish Messiah'), but it's the risen Christ, of whose spiritual body believers now are part, who gives new life.

And you keep repeating verses that DO NOT SAY Jesus is the Logos, or a God, or part of any trinity, - as proof that he is!

The Messiah - whom Jesus CLAIMED TO BE - is a HUMAN from the line of King David.

Obviously he would be considered a Son of God - just as King David was.

Jesus tells us in multiple verses that he DOES NOT DO THE WORKS - but his Father through him.

He prays to his Father - not to himself.

He is not the Logos. The Logos entered him so he could perform his Messiah role, of bringing about the end, and the final Judging of ALL in Sheol.

The Messiah does not need to be a triple God to do his job of being FIRST TO RISE FROM SHEOL, and than judge the rest.

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[Redemptionsong]

One of the sad facts that you seem to overlook, Ingledsva, is that the human Messiah has come and gone. If Jews are waiting for a human Messiah to be born, they'll either be deceived or disappointed. Scripture tells us the following:

'Behold he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.' (Revelation 1:6)

 

[Ingledsva]

One of the sad facts that you seem to overlook, Ingledsva, is that the human Messiah has come and gone. If Jews are waiting for a human Messiah to be born, they'll either be deceived or disappointed. Scripture tells us the following:

'Behold he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.' (Revelation 1:6)

How am I overlooking anything when I quoted the verses saying he is the Messiah - NOT A GOD, - that he went to Sheol for three days before being the FIRST to RISE from SHEOL, and the prophecy that he will give final Judgment on all in Sheol?

NONE of that makes him a God, or part of any trinity.

According to the story - He just fulfills the prophecies around the HUMAN Messiah.

You have provided nothing to prove he claimed to be a God, or part of any trinity.

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[Redemptionsong]

You have provided nothing to prove he claimed to be a God, or part of any trinity.

There are plenty of scriptures that lead to the conclusion that 'in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily' (Colossians 2:9)

To reach this conclusion you have to be able to see through the flesh of Christ. His 'flesh and blood' (body) was a temporary dwelling place. Once transformed, following crucifixion, resurrection and ascension, there is no flesh and blood, only a spiritual image.

Now, compare passages like these:
Luke 11:13:, 'If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask.' [It quite clearly states that the HOLY SPIRIT is given by the FATHER in heaven]
Then we read in John 16:7, 'Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.' [It quite clearly states that the SON will send the HOLY SPIRIT]

When you add these two together, you get a synthesis. As stated in John 15:26, 'But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:'

A MAN cannot send the HOLY SPIRIT because the Holy Spirit is of GOD! As stated in Ephesians, the Spirit is ABOVE (in the Father), AMONGST (in the SON) and WITHIN (in the gift of Holy Spirit). This is what is called the TRINITY. It happens to be an inescapable truth of scripture. To deny it, is to deny that SALVATION has come - for there is only one Saviour and that is GOD.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Everywhere the passages of scripture pop up to confirm the eternal nature of the Son.

John 17:5, ' And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.'
[A human does not exist with God before the world was!]

Hebrews 1:1-3, 'GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.'
[Christ is the king, and his throne is everlasting]

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

To worship God together in peace and love.

 

[Kirran]

In answer to the OP: none of the above, it was a pretty slanted question.

Jesus' greatest teachings were to love unconditionally, and to realise the Unity of the individual and God/That.

 

[Ingledsva]

There are plenty of scriptures that lead to the conclusion that 'in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily' (Colossians 2:9)

To reach this conclusion you have to be able to see through the flesh of Christ. His 'flesh and blood' (body) was a temporary dwelling place. Once transformed, following crucifixion and resurrection, there is no flesh and blood, only a spiritual image.

Now, compare passages like these:
Luke 11:13:, 'If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask.' [It quite clearly states that the HOLY SPIRIT is given by the FATHER in heaven]
Then we read in John 16:7, 'Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.' [It quite clearly states that the SON will send the HOLY SPIRIT]

When you add these two together, you get a synthesis. As stated in John 15:26, 'But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:'

A MAN cannot send the HOLY SPIRIT because the Holy Spirit is of GOD! As stated in Ephesians, the Spirit is ABOVE (in the Father), AMONGST (in the SON) and WITHIN (in the gift of Holy Spirit). This is what is called the TRINITY. It happens to be an inescapable truth of scripture. To deny it, is to deny that SALVATION has come - for there is only one Saviour and that is GOD.

It NOWHERE says Jesus is God.

Nor does Jesus EVER say he is God, or part of any trinity.

One would think he would know - yes?

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[leibowde84]

I think if we had a contest citing all Jesus teachings how people Jesus teaching about God would win over Jesus teaching about how to treat others.

And there's a good reason for that - Jesus said he came to do his father's will. He also said that he does the work of his father. Again he said the son does nothing but what he has seen the father do.

So the reason Jesus taught more about God than about how to treat each other was because he knew that once a person developed a relationship with heavenly father he would automatically know how treat others since the Father himself would teach him through the Holy Spirit. That's why Jesus put a clear hierarchy between loving God and loving our neighbour.

I disagree. I think it's the other way around. If you live a good humble charitable life, treating others with respect and dignity, you are golden. The rest won't matter.

 

[Ingledsva]

Everywhere the passages of scripture pop up to confirm the eternal nature of the Son.

John 17:5, ' And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.'
[A human does not exist with God before the world was!]

Hebrews 1:1-3, 'GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.'
[Christ is the king, and his throne is everlasting]

One would assume the awaited Messiah has a special place - and still isn't God.

What is the problem with angels worshiping/bowing to the prophesized human Messiah?

God told King David - this day have I begotten thee, and called him a Son of God.

That last verse is mistranslated.

Heb 1:1 At sundry times and in diverse manors God spoke in the old time to our fathers by the Prophets: in these last days he (GOD) hath spoken unto us by his Son,

Heb 1:8 But moreover to the Son, the throne of Thee oh God, is forever and ever. A staff of righteousness is the scepter of thy reign.

Others have -

Heb 1:8 But moreover to the Son the throne, of THEE oh GOD, is Forever and ever...

Either way it shows Jesus gets a throne of God, - he is NOT God.

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[JFish123]

One would assume the awaited Messiah has a special place - and still isn't God.

What is the problem with angels worshiping/bowing to the prophesized human Messiah?

God told King David - this day have I begotten thee, and called him a Son of God.

That last verse is mistranslated.

Heb 1:1 At sundry times and in diverse manors God spoke in the old time to our fathers by the Prophets: in these last days he (GOD) hath spoken unto us by his Son,

Heb 1:8 But moreover to the Son, the throne of Thee oh God, is forever and ever. A staff of righteousness is the scepter of thy reign.

Others have -

Heb 1:8 But moreover to the Son the throne, of THEE oh GOD, is Forever and ever...

Either way it shows Jesus gets a throne of God, - he is NOT God.

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First, why did Jesus call the Father "my God?" Does this imply Jesus Himself is not God? By no means! Prior to the incarnation, Christ, the second person in the trinity, has only a divine nature. But in the incarnation Christ took on a human nature. It is this in his humanity that Christ acknowledged the Father as "my God."
Since Christ came as a man, and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to, and adore God, it was perfectly proper for Jesus to call the Father "my God." Positionally speaking as a man, as a Jew, and as our High Priest ("made like His brothers in every way", Hebrews 2:27) Jesus could address the Father as "God." However Jesus did not relate to the Father in this way until he "emptied Himself" and became man, as it says in Philippians 2:6-8.
As well, Jesus always distinguished His relationship to God and mans relationship to God. He always said my God or your God but never 'our' God. That's because He is Gods Son by Nature, where as we are His Sons by adoption. And in His nature He was and is the very essence of God Himself.
Secondly, Thomas was not expressing surprise at seeing the risen Christ when he called Him "My Lord and My God." If Thomas had done this he would have been guilty of taking Gods name in vain. Jews of the first century believed that any careless use of Gods name amounted to blasphemy. If Thomas HAD taken Gods name in vain, Jesus surely would have rebuked him for doing so. But not only did Jesus NOT rebuke Thomas, He COMMENDED Thomas for finally coming to believe He was who He said He was (both "Lord" and "God") Jesus affirmed Thomas, not corrected Him.
No created being could ever allow such words to be addressed to him personally. No angel, no prophet, no sane human being could ever allow himself to be addressed as both Lord and God. Yet Jesus not only accepts the words of Thomas but pronounces the blessings of faith upon them as well. For Thomas wasn't just calling Jesus "a god." He was calling Jesus "His Lord" and "His God."

 

[JFish123]