want to be hindu
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I am not offended I am trying to let you see what you are saying. Its one thing to debate another to stearotype and smear others. I believe you are wrong and you are putting sikhs in a bad light.
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What is wrong with idol worship?
- Thread starter Surya Deva
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I am not offended I am trying to let you see what you are saying. Its one thing to debate another to stearotype and smear others. I believe you are wrong and you are putting sikhs in a bad light.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Good, it shouldn't matter how old i am to you. Giving examples from the SGGS is all nice for you, but the texts have no authority on a Hindu.
You say i should re-evaluate my beliefs? That is arrogance at its best. You are no different to Evangelisists who say we are right you are wrong, join us! I should be saying to you to re-evaluate your worship of nothing, but i am not since you worship nothing because it is your belief, as worshipping an idol is my belief, you are in no position to tell anyone to re-evaluate their religious beliefs.
WTBH is not 13...I am.
As for the lat part, i dont think this is directed at me... So i cannot say.
Surya Deva
Well-Known Member
It is true Ax is putting Sikhism in a bad light here. However, as a born Sikh myself from a devout Sikh family, I can tell you that Sikhism isn't like how this person portrays Sikhism. Ax views belong to a disreputable sect of Sikhism known as Khalistani, who are fundamentalists and a terrorist group that call for a separate Sikh state in India.
Sikhism is a very enlightened and positive religion which promotes harmony and peace in society. It is very humanitarian and I am proud of being born Sikh. Many Hindus have nothing but respect for Sikhs and adoration for the Sikh gurus.
This man is trying to breed secetarian attitudes, when our own Gurus had nothing but admiration for Hinduism. The fact that the Sikhism was not a distinct religion until the last Guru a century later after the founder, shows that Sikhism was a Hindu movement. Please read the Guru granth Sahib online, it is full of positive references to Hinduism and sounds very much like another Hindu text. It was orignally in Sanskrit as well, before it was written in Gurumukhi, because Sanskrit was too difficult for the masses.
There are some Sikhs who treat Sikhism as nothing but a banner of pride they can wear. They are not aware of Sikh teachings, they couldn't even care, it's just pride for them. They treat Sikhism as being a religion that came out of a vacuum. They deny all connections to Hinduism. That's fine, but, it is what it is, fanaticism.
Sikhism is a very enlightened and positive religion which promotes harmony and peace in society. It is very humanitarian and I am proud of being born Sikh. Many Hindus have nothing but respect for Sikhs and adoration for the Sikh gurus.
This man is trying to breed secetarian attitudes, when our own Gurus had nothing but admiration for Hinduism. The fact that the Sikhism was not a distinct religion until the last Guru a century later after the founder, shows that Sikhism was a Hindu movement. Please read the Guru granth Sahib online, it is full of positive references to Hinduism and sounds very much like another Hindu text. It was orignally in Sanskrit as well, before it was written in Gurumukhi, because Sanskrit was too difficult for the masses.
There are some Sikhs who treat Sikhism as nothing but a banner of pride they can wear. They are not aware of Sikh teachings, they couldn't even care, it's just pride for them. They treat Sikhism as being a religion that came out of a vacuum. They deny all connections to Hinduism. That's fine, but, it is what it is, fanaticism.
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ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
good man - you are just crying over it - don't change your religion good for you - i just answered a question that was asked!why is the other guy crying over you being 13 - whats the fear?
ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
dude i don't know what kind of a person you are - how r u calling yourself a sikh. I am not proo khalistani, now i have given you hymns from SGGS - that condemn idol worship and you are still crying - no no - keep on opinionating and so on. you are one saying sikhs are hindu's - putting such revolutionary relgion in bad light. Now you are dividing khalsa in another sect -you are just a joke yourslf man! - idare you to go to guruwara and say "sikhs are hindu's" - you cry - nonon i know any scholar knows - im sure these scholars are RSS people like you!
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ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
Sikh Articles - Sikhism vs. Hinduism - read this - please go to any sikh site and first clarify the defnition of sikh for yourself - being born into so called wierd "sikh family" of yours does not make you sikh-
Surya Deva
Well-Known Member
Ax, I've never said Sikhism does not prohibit idol worship. I believe I said that it does prohibit idol worship. I also said Hinduism is wide enough to include both idol worship or non idol worship.
Hinduism is not a dogmatic religion that it dictates particular practices to you. It says worship/meditate, but it does not say how to worship. You are encouraged to find your own ways.
The trouble with you Ax and some other Sikhs is that they define Hinduism as this religion that worships many gods and do idol worship, while claiming they are exclusively the monotheists and the non-idol worshippers. The truth is Hinduism even before the birth of Sikhism was monothestic/moistic and non idol worshippers. During the pure Vedic period the only form of worship known was non-idol worship. We Hindus though accept that in the current age(we call Kaliyuga) idol worship is OK, because others are too hard to observe. However, if you can do non-idol worship, then more power to you. I am also not a fan of idol worship. That does not mean I go around telling idol worshippers they are wrong.
Unfortunately, you don't sound like someone who is a spiritually realised person. Your language, your narrow minded views and sheer disrespect are the signs of the opposite. I don't think non-idol worship is doing you any good, and I am willing to wager you're not even doing it properly. I think you treat being Sikh like a badge of pride, and nothing more, and have completely glossed over its spiritual teachings.
Hinduism is not a dogmatic religion that it dictates particular practices to you. It says worship/meditate, but it does not say how to worship. You are encouraged to find your own ways.
The trouble with you Ax and some other Sikhs is that they define Hinduism as this religion that worships many gods and do idol worship, while claiming they are exclusively the monotheists and the non-idol worshippers. The truth is Hinduism even before the birth of Sikhism was monothestic/moistic and non idol worshippers. During the pure Vedic period the only form of worship known was non-idol worship. We Hindus though accept that in the current age(we call Kaliyuga) idol worship is OK, because others are too hard to observe. However, if you can do non-idol worship, then more power to you. I am also not a fan of idol worship. That does not mean I go around telling idol worshippers they are wrong.
Unfortunately, you don't sound like someone who is a spiritually realised person. Your language, your narrow minded views and sheer disrespect are the signs of the opposite. I don't think non-idol worship is doing you any good, and I am willing to wager you're not even doing it properly. I think you treat being Sikh like a badge of pride, and nothing more, and have completely glossed over its spiritual teachings.
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Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I am not crying over anything. You do not seem to post things clearly.
You did answer, obviously we found a problem and we are challenging and debating...
He has no fear. He sort of thinks (i think) that children need to be protected, msot kids do at my age. I am different.
Stop saying people are crying, it makes you look really immature.
ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
haha- so what r we debating on now - I said my point - you said yours!
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I agree with Suraj Ax. It seems you are familiar with the scriptural side of Sikhism but you do not understand spiritually.
Because, you see, in the end it does not matter who, or how you worship, it always goes to the same person.
Because, you see, in the end it does not matter who, or how you worship, it always goes to the same person.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
We still debate the same thing? I still think you are being too narrow minded and very intolerant of other peoples beliefs. I always think the opposite of Sikhs.
ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
you are not th one to judge - you asked a question and so I anwered why sikhs think idol worship is wrong - why r you so angry at me - just because i sid my point. you can judge as much you want - i have substantiated my every point iwth examples and so on. Please answer my question - on the other post of yours regarding vedas!
ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
dude i am tolerationg your opinion - just because i answered a question - you think i am being intolerent! Guys I think this debate is over! please answer my question regaerding the gods i posted today. now don't say this is being intolerant too - i am just clarifying for myself!
ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
I never said we don't have connections with hinduism or islam! but that does not mean we are hindu or muslim!lol
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Wow...You tolerated my opinion, your medal is in the post!
You did answer, but you are telling us we are wrong and are being decieved! Telling us we are wrong is intolerance!
ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
just stop this guys - the question itself asked that - i did not add in to the question!!
want to be hindu
Member
My "type" of Hinduism calls God Brahman.We define Brahman as follows:
Our scriptures call Brahman Sat, (ie Absolute Truth )Cit, ( Consciousness it Self ) Ananda,( Infinite Bliss ).
God is beyond all limitations. Brahman is all that exists. There is nothing that is not Brahman. So yes Humans are God, Rocks are God, Rama is God,My Dog is God, all that that we know is God. There is nothing that is not God.
Ewin Schrodinger the Austrian physicist, a pioneer of quantum mechanics and winner of the 1933 Nobel Prize for Physics said this
"Vedanta teaches that consciousness is singular, all happenings are played out in one universal consciousness and there is no multiplicity of selves.
And this
"This life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance. This, as we know, is what the Brahmins express in that sacred, mystic formula which is yet really so simple and so clear; Tat Tvam ASI, this is you. Or, again, in such words as I am in the east and the west, I am above and below, I am this entire world."
From his book My View of the World (1961)
I dont know if the Lord Ram is a historic person. But yes he is God.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Thank you so much! How kind of you!
want to be hindu
Member
Your dad and mom must be proud of you. You are very smart and you put your mind on higher things.Frubals to you.:clap
ax0547
Sat Sri Akal
so ram ji was god, buthe is always show in human figure on tv and talking as a person - where did the tv show people get that form o r are they wrong in dong that? legitimate question, please don't take it as intolerance! I am trying to gain what is hinduism essentially