What is wrong with idol worship?

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1. The Sikhs have originated from Hindus.
If you call Sikhs Hindus, because they are converts from Hindus, then why don't you call Christians as Jews who came from Jews and Moslems who originated from Quereshi Christians and Jews, etc? Why they do not accept themselves as such? In particular those
(Christians and Moslems) who are converts from Hindus, why you do not call them Hindus?

2. Sikhs intermingle with Hindus in respect of food and dining.
If you call Sikhs, Hindus because they have social relations with Hindus, then you should know that Jews, Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, etc., also have their social relations. Would you call them the same?
It will be worthwhile to give the opinion of some of our religious books on this subject.
From this you will understand the differences between Hindus and Sikhs in respect of communality of food sharing.
(1) Do not eat from the hands of a clean- shaven (non-Sikh). (Gur Pratap Surya)
(2) As your chef (kitchen help) keep a Sikh. (Rahatnama Bhai Chaupa Singh)
(3) There is no distinction of Caste. The four Varnas eat together. (Gur Pratap Surya)

3. Sikhs intermarry with Hindus.
If you consider Sikhs as Hindus because they intermarry, then do you consider Jews,
Christians, Buddhists, etc., not up to their respective religions as they too intermarry? You should know from history that at one time Hindus intermarried with Mughals-- who were Muslims. It is also known that Naushervan was married to Maurice, daughter of a Christian King, and her daughter was married to Hindu Chauramni Rana of Udaipur. Daughter of Silyukas, King of Babylon was married to Raja Chandra Gupta. Hirambi, Uloopi and others who were married to prominent men of India were not Hindus. Moreover what is enjoined on the Sikhs with respect to contracting relations with Hindus and individuals of other religions that is stated here:
1. Have relations with a Sikh of the Guru. (Rehatnama Bhai Chaupa Singh)
2. Killing a daughter or to give a daughter (in marriage) to a non-Sikh, such a person commits great offence. Sikh should give his daughter (in marriage) to a Sikh. Thus Gurmukh meets a Gurmukh. Giving a daughter to a Bhadni (non-Sikh) is like giving nectar to a snake. (Rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh)
3. A Sikh gives (in marriage) his daughter to a Sikh and does not accept any money in exchange. He is my Sikh and will reach in my presence. (Guru Pratap Surya)
4. When the daughter comes of age only then relations should be contracted, not for a very young girl. And the relations should be Sikhs of the Guru. (Prem Sumagar)
But tell us one thing. After Sikh-Hindu marriage why does a Sikh become a Hindu and not the other way around?

4. Sikhs are citizens of Hindustan (India), then why do they say they are not Hindus?
If you call Sikhs Hindus because they live in Hindustan (India), then you should consider Christians, Moslems as Hindus too. If on account of residence they are Hindus we have no objection to be called Hindus, i.e., Indians.

5. If you (Sikhs) do mind, to be called Hindus, because of the meaning of the word "Hindu" in Persian, it is your ignorance. The word "Hindu" is a Sanskrit word and it means, one who conquers the enemies and is brave; cf. Ram Kosh, Mer (u) Tantar Prakash and Kalika Purana.

You have said that the word 'Hindu' has a sublime meaning. And there should not be any objection because it is not a Persian word. You have quoted Merutantar Prakash and Kalika Purana to prove that 'Hindu' is a Sanskrit word.

To this we would say, "In Sikh religion no language is the language of gods and none is a prohibited language. There is no need to object if a word is from a foreign language. And if according to your belief the Word 'Hindu' means supreme or sublime you are welcome to that. We never say that Hindu is a bad name. Whatever the name of a religion, an individual of another religion should have no objection to that. For example, one of the twelve sects of Yogis is called Pagal (mad) Panth. If we try to counsel them that they should not call themselves by that name, this will be our mistake, nay, and stupidity.

The word ‘Hindu’ is from Sanskrit or Persian; scholars of the world know it. In 1920 forty five Pundits of Kanshi gave the opinion that “Hindu is pseudo-name given by Moslems, therefore to be called Hindu is not appropriate.”

So far journals like “Bharto Dhark” have always written that the Hindu name has been given by the Malechas (polluted and of bad intellect). Therefore, the Aryas should never be called Hindus and neither Arya Varat (India) be called Hindustan. The word ‘Hindu’ has never been seen in Vedas, Shahstars, Simritis and epics like Ramayana and Mahabharta. This is strange that now it has been found in the Kosh (dictionary). It would have been better if this effort had been done before the beginning of this dispute and discussion. This effort seems to be without any reward. Having heard from Sanskrit we recall an essay by Bhartendu Babu Harish Chandra, which is:

Whatever opinion, decision one wants one can get from a Pundit, provided one makes an appropriate offering. Example:
Question: Pundit Ji, can you by any means prove that Christians and Moslems are Hindus?
Answer by Pundit: Yes, make offerings. We will prove right now.
Question: In what way?
Pundit: Look brother. Kristan (Christians) and Musalmaan (Moslems) are pure Brahmins. In fact, the truth is like this. Yadavs had two Prohits (priests). Lord Krishna went to one of them. That Prohit was called Kristan Manva. Musali (Balbhadar) brother of Krishna went to the other; he was called Musal Manya. The two religions are descendents of those two Prohits. People do not know the correct pronunciation of the Sanskrit language. Therefore, instead of Krishna Manya and Musal Manya people started calling Christians and Moslems. Now bring offerings, so we can write this decision for you.

Dear Hindu brother, to us it appears that your proving of the ‘Hindu’ word from Sanskrit is something of the same nature.

6. The word "Hindu" seems to be derived from Indu and Sindhu.
This is your imagination. It is not proved from your old religious books, otherwise give some examples.

 

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6) RSS says that Guru Gobind Singh Ji created Khalsa by the help of Brahmin Kali Charan Das, and Hari Das?
RSS has its own fairy tales. RSS says that there was very dark time during Moughal sovereignty. Muslims were killing Hindus and forcibly converting them to Islam. Pandit Kali Charan Das advised Guru Gobind Singh Ji that the only way to stop this oppression was to create an army that would fight Muslims. Then he told Guru Gobind Singh Ji how to start an army step by step which is Khalsa. But my question is if Hindus already knew that an army should be created then why didn't they create it themselves? Why couldn't they save themselves? Creator is always greater than his creation. Then why couldn't just Kali Das save his community? Why did he want Guru Gobind Singh Ji to do it? This fairy tale is no where found in any Hindu and Sikh historical texts. There existed no Kali Charan Das or Hari Das that advised Guru Ji otherwise such an important event wouldn’t have been ignored by scholars. Where was this Brahmin from? What was his background? Where did he go to school at and who was his teacher? What exactly made him reach the decision that a new army was needed? Why couldn’t he use his hindu maratha warriors or turn the upper caste Brahmins into warriors? According to varna system Kshatriyas are the defenders not lower caste people. Majority of the people in Khalsa Panth were and are from lower caste background. If Khalsa Panth is really part of hinduism then are hindus willing to go against varna system and accept “lower caste” army as their defenders? How far is the RSS willing to go? If Sikhs are accepted as Hindus then all of their beliefs must be accepted and followed by the Hindus? It sounds easy for hindus but it is not. The Khalsa army is follower of an “idol breaker”, rejects the class system, Vedas, puranas, all other hindu texts, and avatar theory. Hindus must denounce idol worship and reject the authority of their holy texts. This Khalsa army gives equality to women, the women that are called inferior and are abused in hindu temples by Brahmins in the name of purity. Is RSS willing to accept this army that rejects every belief of Hinduism inside out? The whole purpose of RSS to spread the false stories is to get innocent and ignorant Sikhs to follow Hinduism and destroy the distinct appearance and unique message of Sikhi. Sikhs become part of Hinduism only when they start following Hinduism and give up their Sikhi beliefs.
According to Guru Gobind Singh Ji Khalsa army was established by the will of Waheguru (God).
ਆਗਿਆ ਭਈ ਅਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਤਬੈ ਚਲਾਇਓ ਪੰਥ ॥
From the will of God, Khalsa Panth is established. (Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

ਖਾਲਸਾ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਫੌਜ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਓ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਤਮ ਕੀ ਮੌਜ ॥

Khalsa is the military of God. Khalsa was created according to the orders of Waheguru (God). (Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

Bhai Gurdas Singh Ji also supports the fact that establishing Khalsa Army was will of Waheguru and therefore Khalsa belongs to Waheguru.
ਗੁਰੁਬਰ ਅਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਹੁਕਮ ਸਿਉਂ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਬਿਗਿਆਨਾ॥
ਤਬ ਸਹਿਜੇ ਰਚਿਓ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸਾਬਤ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ॥
ਇਉਂ ਉਠੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਭਭਕਾਰਿ ਕੈ ਸਭ ਜਗ ਡਰਪਾਨਾ॥
ਮੜੀ ਦੇਵਲ ਗੋਰ ਮਸੀਤ ਢਾਹਿ ਕੀਏ ਮੈਦਾਨਾ॥
(ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਵਾਰ 41)
Bhai Gurdas Singh Ji further states that the purpose of raising arms was not to protect hindus but to fight for truth and justice, establish peace in the world and spread the true name of Waheguru.
ਇਉਂ ਤੀਸਰ ਮਜਹਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਪਰਧਾਨਾ॥
ਜਿਨਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਕੇ ਹੁਕਮ ਸਿਉ ਗਹਿ ਖੜਗ ਦਿਖਾਨਾ॥
ਤਿਹ ਸਭ ਦੁਸਟਨ ਕਉ ਛੇਦਿ ਕੈ ਅਕਾਲ ਜਪਾਨਾ॥
ਫਿਰ ਐਸਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਅਕਾਲ ਕਾ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਨਾ॥
(ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਵਾਰ 41)
There are many other texts that refer to Khalsa as an army of Waheguru. Only two are given below.

ਪਾਂਚ ਕੀ ਕੁਸੰਗਤਿ ਤਜਿ ਸੰਗਤ ਸੋਂ ਪ੍ਰੀਤੀ ਕਰੈ,
ਦਯਾ ਔਰ ਧਰਮ ਧਾਰਿ ਤਿਆਗੈ ਸਬ ਲਾਲਸਾ ।
ਹੁੱਕਾ ਨਾ ਪੀਵੈ ਸੀਸ ਦਾੜ੍ਹੀ ਨਾ ਮੁੰਡਾਵੈ, ਸੋ ਤੋ
ਵਾਹ ਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ।
(ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਸੋਭਾ, ਸੈਣ ਸਿੰ&#2584
ਤਨ ਮਨ ਪੰਥ ਮਿਰਜਾਦ ਕਰ, ‘ਸਿੰਘ’ ਸੰਙਿਆ ਤੇਜ ਨਿਵਾਸ ।
ਸਭ ਦੇਸਨ ਕੋ ਹੁਕਮ ਪਠਾਇਆ । ਖੰਡੇ ਕੀ ਪਾਹੁਲ ਫੁਰਮਾਯਾ ।
‘ਸਿੰਘ’ ਸੰਙਿਆ ਕਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਬੁਲਾਵੋ । ਜਪੋ ਅਕਾਲ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਵੋ ।
ਅਚਰਜ ਬੀਰ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕੀਆ । ਦੇਗ ਤੇਗ ਦੋਨੋ ਤਿਨ ਦੀਆ ।
(ਮਹਿਮਾ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼, ਬਾਵਾ ਸਵਰੂਪ ਚੰ&#2598

This clearly means that Khalsa appeared by the will of God. If Khalsa was started according to the will of a Brahmin then Guru Ji would’ve called it “an army of a Brahmin” and not “an army of Waheguru”. God wanted to establish an army that could fight oppression and cruel rulers of the time, an army that could fight for truth and right cause and establish peace all around it. Khalsa army has done and is doing as expected.

 

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5) RSS says that Guru Gobind Singh Ji worshipped a Hindu Goddess (Devi)?
It has been stated so many times that there is only one God in Sikhism who has no shape. There is no other power than that of God. Then what's the point of this Goddess again? Hinduism is a caste religion. Women have no rights in Hinduism. During the time of Guru Nanak, women were considered more inferior than the lowest person. Then how did they start worshipping this Goddess? What is the history behind it? No one knows who founded Hinduism not even Hindus. I ask them who founded Hinduism and how did female shapes as goddess enter Hinduism? Hindus worship stones in the shape of gods and goddess. Gurbani says:
"Why worship gods and goddesses, O Siblings of Destiny? What can we ask of them? What can they give us? The stone gods are washed with water, O Siblings of Destiny, but they just sink in the water." (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 637) If those stones sink in the water then how can they take you across the ocean life of and they do get dirty. If they are dirty then how can they clean your mind? The reason RSS says stupid things like these is because there is a story behind it but RSS changed it to suit their own needs. The story is something like this. Two Brahmins came to Guru Gobind Singh Ji and claimed that Devi (goddess) can be revealed or manifested by performing Hindu rituals and once she appears she will give great power to his follower. Guru Ji knew this was all false and blindly followed by Hindus. But Guru Ji wanted His Sikhs to see the reality. So He gave permission to Brahmins to start the rituals and money was spent by millions and given to Brahmins. After couple of years passed, nothing happened and Guru Ji asked Brahmins the reason for this. They said that goddess was not happy and she wanted a sacrifice of a noble man. Brahmins were actually pointing at Baba Ajit Singh Ji. But Guru Ji said, "Who is more noble than you, Brahmin." Hearing this Brahmins said, "Then who will perform the ritual." Guru Ji said, "One of you sacrifice and other one continue the ritual." Brahmins were shocked to hear this and before next morning they both ran away. Guru Ji taught His Sikhs to believe in one God always and never follow ritualism. Then Guru Ji put rest of the stuff in the fire and there high flames. Guru Ji then took His sword and said, "My this sword as goddess will kill the cruel and fight the oppression. My sword is my power." Guru Ji referred to His sword as Chandi, Bhavani, Durga, Kali, and Bhagvati because it was the power of sword that Guru Ji took to fight evil doers and won the battles. The misconception of goddess worship only came into existence in the books written after 1752 which was 44 years after Guru Gobind Singh Ji departed from this world. If the goddess actually appeared and helped Guru Ji to establish Khalsa Panth then why such an important event in the life of Guru Ji was not mentioned in the earlier written books? Guru Ji Himself did not mention it in any of his writings and only praised one almighty Waheguru for his help to establish Khalsa Panth. If goddess can really appear then why don't Hindus reveal her and tell her to fix the economy of India and make it the richest country? Why couldn't they save their women from Muslims? Why couldn't they fight Muslims and British? Why did they have to beg Sikhs to save their religion? They have no answers.

 

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4) RSS says that Guru Gobind Singh Ji is praying Hindu God Shiva in Sikh Religious/National Anthem?
This is totally false. Gurbani is full of quotes that teach us to worship and pray only to ONE God. Guru Ji said He never recognized any Ganesha and Krishna. If Guru Ji doesn't recognize Ganesha, then He doesn't recognize Shiva either simply because they don't exist. In the Hindu religion Ganesha is worshipped before Shiva and has higher authority than Shiva. Guru Ji is praying to one God. Sikhism accepts all names of God. Shiva is one of those names just as "Allah" or "God" but God is referred to mainly as "Waheguru" in Sikhism. Sikhism never accepted any power other than one almighty God and this refers to that God not the Hindu deity. Guru Ji never referred it to the Hindu Shiva because how could Guru Ji pray to someone who killed an innocent boy of a farmer? Shiva couldn't even recognize his own son and killed him out of anger. Guru Ji taught us to overcome five thieves and anger is one of them. Therefore, Guru Ji referred to God as Shiva not the God of Hindus. Read the following verse by Guru Gobind Singh Ji to understand it better.
ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜੂ ਤੋ ਕਹ ਲਾਜ ਹਮਾਰੀ ॥ ਨੀਲ ਕੰਠ ਨਰਹਰਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਨੀਲ ਬਸਨ ਬਨਵਾਰੀ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Hey Waheguru (God) Ji! Please keep my honour and respect. Hey God! (For me) You are Shivji, Nursing, Vishnu, Krishna’s older brother Balram, Krishna. (Shabad Hazaray, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
ਏਕ ਚਿੱਤ ਜਿਹ ਇਕ ਛਿਨ ਧਿਆਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਫਾਸ ਕੇ ਬੀਚ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥10॥
Anyone who meditates on God with sincere devotion even for a moment. That person shall never be caught hold of the terrors of death. (Tav Parsad Sawayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

This proves beyond the doubt that Guru Ji never praised Hindu deity Shiv or Shiva. Guru JI praised only Almighty Waheguru who does not take birth or die, who is timeless, formless and without any hatred. Some of the following verses of Guru Ji speak of the Hindu god Shiv.

ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਉਬਾਰ ਨ ਸਕਹੈ ਜਾਕਰ ਨਾਮ ਰਟੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਸੂਰਜ ਸਸਿ ਤੇ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਲ ਸਬੈ ਹੈ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਸਬੈ ਮਤ ਜਾਕਰ ਨੇਤ ਕਹੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਫਨਿੰਦ੍ਰ ਮੁਨਿੰਦ੍ਰ ਕਲਪ ਬਹੁ ਧਿਆਵਤ ਧਿਆਨ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥2॥

ਜਾਕਰ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਨਹਿ ਜਨਿਯਤ ਸੋ ਕਿਮ ਸਯਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਛੁਟਹੋ ਕਾਲ ਜਾਲ ਤੇ ਤਬ ਹੀ ਤਾਹਿ ਚਰਨ ਲਪਟੈਹੈ॥3॥10॥


Raam and Mohammed and other prophets who you remember couldn’t describe God. Brahmas, Vishnus, Shivji, Sun, Moon, etc. all die and reincarnate. Vedas, Puraans, Kuran and other religious books can’t describe God. Inders (Vishnu), Faninders (Shivji), Muninders (Brahma) tried to find God but couldn’t find the Lord Almighty. The one who has no colour or physical appearance, how can He be called blue or black? You can only get away from the cycles of birth and death when to cling to the feet of God. (Shabad Hazaray, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

ਜਵਨ ਕਾਲ ਜੋਗੀ ਸਿਵ ਕੀਓ ॥ ਬੇਦਰਾਜ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਜੂ ਥੀਓ ॥
ਜਵਨ ਕਾਲ ਸਭ ਲੋਕ ਸਵਾਰਾ ॥ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਤਾਹਿ ਹਮਾਰਾ ॥8॥

The Temporal Lord created Shiva, the Yogi; Brahma, the Utterer of Vedas. The Temporal Lord, Who fashioned the entire Universe, I salute to Him alone. (Benti Chaupai, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

ਜਵਨ ਕਾਲ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਬਨਾਯੌ ॥ ਦੇਵ ਦੈਤ ਜੱਛਨ ਉਪਜਾਯੋ ॥
ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਏਕੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਸੋਈ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਮਝਿਯਹੁ ਹਮਾਰਾ ॥9॥
He, Who is the Creator of Time and the Universe, also created the angels, demons and yakshas. He alone was in the beginning and will also be at the end of the Time. He alone is my Guru. (Benti Chaupai, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)


ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਕੋ ਕਹਤ ਸਦਾ ਸਿਵ ॥ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਕਾ ਚੀਨਤ ਨਹਿ ਭਿਵ ॥16॥

The fools consider Him a stone, for He does not know the Profound Mysterym that is God. He calls Shiva, The Eternal Lord, and does not know the secret of the Formless Lord. (Benti Chaupai, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨ ਅੰਤੁ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਇਓ ॥ ਨੇਤ ਨੇਤ ਮੁਖਚਾਰ ਬਤਾਇਓ ॥੫॥
ਕੋਟਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਉਪਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਉਪਾਇ ਖਪਾਏ ॥

Brahma and Vishnu are unable to explain God’s expanse. Brahma who has four faces can only utter that none is equal or alike God. God has been creating millions of Indras and Vamanas. God has been creating and killing millions Brahmas and Shivas. (Akal Ustat, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)
"The realm of Shiva, the realms of Brahma and Indra as well - no place anywhere is permanent." (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 214) "The Realm of Shiva shall also perish." (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 237) "Even Shiva and Brahma are afraid of this pleasure, but I have judged that pleasure to be true. Even sages like Sanak and Naarad, and the thousand-headed serpent, did not see the mind within the body." (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 330) "My breath of life resides in Him, whose praises are sung by Shiva and Sanak and so many others." (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 339) "No one is more powerful than the she-serpent Maya, who deceived even Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva." (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 480) "That man who chants "Shiva, Shiva", and meditates on him, is riding on a bull, shaking a tambourine." (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 874)

 

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1) RSS says that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a Hindu because he was born in a Hindu family?
First of all, we all should know that Guru Nanak Dev Ji never accepted any principle of Hinduism nor Islam. Just because He was born in a Hindu family doesn't mean that he was a Hindu. Your character makes you a person. If you are born in a Hindu family but you have never done anything like a Hindu and you oppose Hinduism then you wouldn't be a Hindu. Hindu is he who follows what Hinduism says such as worshipping stones etc. Guru Nanak Ji never ever worshipped stones. This is just one example. Guru Ji always worshipped one almighty God. Guru Ji rejected the idea of wearing Janju (piece of thread) at young age and later didn't take any rounds around the fire when He married Mata Sulakhni Ji. Guru Ji started a new religion, Sikhism, and preached the message of One God. Bhai Gurdas Ji says:
ਮਾਰਿਆ ਸਿੱਕਾ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਪੰਥ ਚਲਾਯਾ॥
In the world, he established the authority (of his doctrines) and started a religion, devoid of any impurity (niramal panth).

Which means Guru Nanak Ji started a new religion. Guru Ji taught Sikhs to believe in one God. Whatever Guru Nanak Ji taught He practiced it first. He did everything first then taught Sikhs to do it in essence practicing what he preached. Guru Ji said, "There is no Hindu, no Muslim" meaning that no one is born Hindu nor a Muslim because what one does makes him Hindu or Muslim. Worshipping stones and believing in more than one God makes you a Hindu; fasting and following what Quran says makes you a Muslim. How can you be a Muslim if you don’t fast, believe in Quran and pray five times a day. How can you be a Hindu if you don’t wear Janju, worship 330 million Gods and believe in castes? Guru Ji taught equality and gave equal rights to women. So this is one of the idiotic questions of RSS. They are foolish. This is what Gurbani says about Hinduism.
The Hindu is sightless; the Muslim has only one eye. The spiritual teacher is wiser than both of them. (Ang 875) I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. (Ang 1136) I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. (Ang 1136) I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. (Ang 1136) I have abandoned both the Pandits, the Hindu religious scholars, and the Mullahs, the Muslim priests. (Ang 1159)

 

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Sikhi and RSS​

Bijla Singh​

RSS stands for Rashtriya Sikh Sangat. It is a wing of the parent Rashtriya Sikh Sangat. RSS thinkers maintain that Hindu (Bharatiya) culture is the only indegenous culture of India and, that India cannot be nationally integrated until all the Indian share this culture and recognize it as the foundation of their collective national identity. Persuant to this aim, the parent RSS has formed a massive national infrastructure to reassimilate the Hindu masses back into the Hindu fold. The Christian, Muslim, Dalit as well as Sikh communities have been the targets of carefully orchestrated cultural and religious genocide. In recent years, the international community and major corporate contributors have taken notice of this activity and some countries have banned subsidiary groups of the RSS operating there whose funding activities have funded violent activities (pogrom against the Muslim community in Gujrat for example) while presenting the face of social relief projects. At the level of the State of Punjab, the Rashriya Sikh Sangat is only one of many RSS entities in the state that serves as an anti-Panthic element fulfilling the grand plan of the parent RSS. It has the support of Bharatiya Janta Party (BJP) and its main goal is to absorb Sikhism into Hinduism. The Indian government is spending millions of rupees to destroy Sikhism via multilevel tactics one of which is publishing false literature about Sikhism. One of the main claims published in many misleading books on Sikhism is that it is a sect of Hinduism. They try to connect every Sikh principle to Hinduism and then argue that the Sikhs are Hindus. I already have created and published a page on this site, which proves that Sikhism is a completely different religion than Hinduism (Read Sikhism and Hinduism). On this page I will detail the goals and motives of RSS and outline and clear the doubts the RSS is planting into people's minds about Sikhism.

Most of you have probably heard about the Hindus' leadership activities in Punjab. Accordingly, the RSS is the root of crippling problems Punjab is facing right now. It enjoys the support of two major parties, the Congress and Bhajpa. Akali Dal can't do anything because Parkash (Hanerra or Dark) Badal is an instrument to these Hindu extremists. The only way to get Punjab out of the trap of the wily Hindu leadership and out of this terrible situation is to follow the teaching of Guru Granth Sahib and the principles of Sikhism that the Gurus set forth.

First, let’s look at the problems the RSS has created in Punjab. The first action of RSS is to weaken the power of Punjab and ultimately destroy it. To accomplish this, they have masterminded in recent years to drown the whole Punjab with massive infusions of drugs and alcohol throughout the community. They have actively been involved in the distribution and trafficking of drugs, alcohol and forming of rings of prostitution. Mostly, the targets are college students and the rural youth especially Sikhs. Most of the college students today are drug addicts and alcoholics including many girls. It becomes clear that the goal of such tactics is to depress the number of university graduates in future generations by creating a population of young drug addicts and alcoholics. A parallel fate is occurring in the Sikh agricultural community. There are presently more bars in Punjab then public schools and many more are opening daily.

Secondly, the RSS is moving populations of Hindu migrants to Punjab from other parts of the country, so that the Hindu population can overtake the native Punjabi population. The theory is that if there are more Hindus than Sikhs in Punjab that during the elections more people will claim Hindi as their first language instead of Punjabi. By numeric superiority and by law, Hindi would eventually become the first language of Punjab. By eclipsing Punjabi as the official language, Punjab would become a Hindi State. But, it goes much deeper then that. It will also impact education policy. No Punjabi means Gurmukhi Script will not be taught resulting in less people learning Gurbani and fewer Sikhs. Punjabi is the Sikhs' native tongue and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is written in Gurmukhi script. This is a classic cultural genocidal tactic. One destroys a people's language, script, spiritual base, social infrastructure and kills its youth thereby eradicates its entire culture while simultaneously and gradually replace their way of life with the majority Hindu one. Soon, no one would know how to read, write and speak Punjabi and their religio-cultural roots would be forgotten and die.

The larger plan becomes quite clear. They surmise that if Sikhs turn away from their religion then Sikhism will die. The key is to change the character of Sikhs. If Sikhs start smoking, drinking, committing adultery and become ignorant of reading and understanding Gurbani that they will loose the power of Gurbani and will turn away from the true principles of Sikhism. This is why the RSS is actively distributing drugs in large amounts, opening bars, showing lewd films and songs on television and pushing prostitution in the Punjab.

Hindus will occupy Punjab gradually. Already their population has increased by 12% in last ten years or so. The problem is exacerbated by the population imbalance created by ultrasound gender selection and subsequent female infanticide by native Punjabis. Migrant Hindus are readily afforded all rights in Punjab that Punjabis are not accorded in other states. We must do something to stem the flow of migrant Hindus coming into Punjab and buying land. Sikhs are not permitted these days in any of the Indian states to buy land, vote or own businesses there whereas Hindus coming in Punjab have right to vote and buy the land for farming. Soon there will be more Hindu farmers in Punjab than Sikhs and the Hindus will control the market. Sikhs will be pushed from the market and lose economic clout, eventually lose their livelihood and become severely impoverished. Sikhs need to exhibit foresight and work to stem the tide of Hindu migrants before they lose their power base. The Sikhs need to act soon or another genocide like the one in 1984 is forthcoming. If the migrants remain in Punjab they are likely to support the Congress. We need to remember that the Congress is responsible for killing more than 300,000 Sikhs in the past 17 years and putting 60,000 Sikhs in jails without any charge or trail. The record of the BJP is just as dismal.

Secondly, pseudo saints, false living Gurus like Radha Swami, Nirankaris, Noormahals, Saccha Sodda are entities created by the RSS. The RSS has setup this network of agents to mislead unsuspecting Sikhs. These groups and individuals are given billions of rupees every year to spread their mission of misinformation and propaganda against Sikhism. These groups often distort the meanings and content of Gurbani to mislead the population. Legitimate Sikh groups are often sidelined and threatened while these scoundrels enjoy police protection and full support. Now the RSS has started sending and encouraging these false people to branch out to outside countries too. Be well aware and avoid them!

The third tactic of the RSS involves the distortion and destruction of educational content. They have taken control of the educational policy making of the Punjab. They are pushing the lie in that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism. Competitions are being held on Sikhism but the books provided for students include all this false information about Sikhism. The RSS is publishing the Sikh history books, which state that Sikh Gurus lived their lives as Hindus and they have done everything with the help of Hindus. They have also portrayed the Gurus as evil-doers and thugs increasing suspicion in the minds of the general populace. People in general often don't bother to acquire the true understanding about Sikhism and Sikh history and they end up with a lot of doubts and confusion in their minds because of RSS. This is as true in India as it is in the rest of the world. In this time of sound bites, busy schedules and instant communication it is easy for the RSS to do its job. The RSS is merely taking advantage of people's ignorance, complacency and increasing busyness.

To summarize, I will attempt to educate the public and clear confusion and doubt in the minds of readers. RSS is attacking Sikhism on many fronts and I'll try to counter their misleading rhetoric. I am not be a scholar of Sikhism but will endeavor to present content as accurately as possible. If you detect errors or mistakes please let me know. This topic is quite deep and will require multiple parts in a series to explore.

At the end of the day, the best way to stop the RSS is for everyone of you to be educated about this pervasive threat to the Sikh way of life, to learn about Sikhism, understand it, firmly practice and live by its principles and be actively involved within the Sikh and ambient communities in all spheres of life to counter this nefarious influence.

 

[ax0547]

Conversation on Sikhi
Hindu: In the Guru Granth Sahib it is written “Hindu Salahee Salah”, meaning all praise to Hindus (Vaar Aasa, Ang 465).
Sikh: Dear Hindu, do not try to deceive Sikhs by quoting half a phrase. In this hymn the Guru has not described the greatness of the Hindus. Consider it clearly, the hymn says:
Shalok, First Mehl:
The Muslims praise the Islamic law; they read and reflect upon it.
The Lord's bound servants are those who bind themselves to see the Lord's Vision.
The Hindus praise the Praiseworthy Lord; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, His form is incomparable.
They bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, making offerings of flowers, and burning incense before idols.
The Yogis meditate on the absolute Lord there; they call the Creator the Unseen Lord.
But to the subtle image of the Immaculate Name, they apply the form of a body.
In the minds of the virtuous, contentment is produced, thinking about their giving.
They give and give, but ask a thousand-fold more, and hope that the world will honor them.
The thieves, adulterers, perjurers, evil-doers and sinners
- after using up what good karma they had, they depart; have they done any good deeds here at all?
There are beings and creatures in the water and on the land, in the worlds and universes, form upon form.
Whatever they say, You know; You care for them all.
O Nanak, the hunger of the devotees is to praise You; the True Name is their only support.
They live in eternal bliss, day and night; they are the dust of the feet of the virtuous. ||1||

Where is the greatness of the Hindu religion in the above hymn?

Hindu: Guru Gobind Singh in his Chhants calls Sikhs as Hindus.

ਸਗਲ ਜਗਤ ਮੇਂ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਗਾਜੈ । ਜਗੈ ਧਰਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸਗਲ ਦੁੰਦ ਭਾਜੈ ।
“In the whole world will roar the Khalsa Panth. Hindu dharma will flourish and all else will disappear.”

My dear Khalsa friend, Sikh religion is a Panth (sect) of Hindus as are Bairagis etc. they are not a Quam (distinct identity). In fact, you are making noise for nothing because you do not understand the meaning of Quam and Panth (sect). Only that is a Quam that is large in number but you are only a few million.

Sikh: My dear Hindu friend,the Chhant is not of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is written of Bhai Sukha Singh, a priest of Patna and devotee of Durga. Those who are familiar with the writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji recognize that words used in the given source were never used by the Guru Ji in his poetry.
Still if you believe that the Chhants are the writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji then read the following which convey just the opposite meaning:
ਮੜ੍ਹੀ ਗੋਰ ਦੇਵਲ ਮਸੀਤਾਂ ਗਿਰਾਯੰ । ਤੁਹੀਂ ਏਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਾਯੰ ।
Graves, Hindu temples and Mosques be destroyed and that only Eternal, Hari is to be worshiped.
ਮਿਟੇਂ ਵੇਦ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਅਠਾਰਾਂ ਪੁਰਾਨਾ । ਮਿਟੇਂ ਬਾਂਗ ਸਲਵਾਤ ਸੁੰਨਤ ਕੁਰਾਨਾਂ ।
That all Vedas, Shashtras and Puranas to be destroyed. Destroy prayer call, circumcision and Quran.

ਸਗਲ ਜਗਤ ਮੇਂ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਗਾਜੈ । ਜਗੈ ਧਰਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸਗਲ ਦੁੰਦ ਭਾਜੈ ।
In the whole world will roar the Khalsa Panth. Dharma will flourish and all else ‘Dund’ (Hindu and Islam) will disappear.

Now will you please tell me, what is that Hindu dharma in support of which you quote these Chhants and that Dharma will prevail after all the Hindu temples, Shashtras, Puranas have been destroyed? You also know the meaning of the word ‘Dund’. It means no other religion remains, Hindu or Moslem. Only Khalsa Panth will remain. Moreover you have said that Sikhi is a sect not a Quam. We quote one more Chhant.

ਦੁਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮੇਂ ਕਪਟ ਵਿਦਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ । ਬਹੁਰ ਤੀਸਰਾ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਜੈ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੀ ।
There is too much corruption in the two religions (Hindu and Islam). The third Panth (Khalsa) is made prominent.

ਕਰੋਂ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਤੀਸਰ ਪ੍ਰਵੇਸਾ । ਜਗੈਂ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੋਧੈ ਧਰੈਂ ਨੀਲ ਭੇਸਾ ।
The Khalsa Panth is established. Sikh warriors flourish in the world, blue in their wearing.

Dear friend, the Chhants accepted by you call even the Hindus and Moslems as two Panths not Quam. What can I say more? Would you please tell me if the word ‘Quam’ just like the word ‘Hindu’ is from (in your dictionary) the Sanskrit language?
I would also like to enquire from you that what is the number required (of disciples) for a Dharma to become a Quam? And at what numerical strength Christians and Moslems were accepted as Quams?

Hindu: In your Sakhis (religious biographies) many stories prove Sikhs to be Hindus. Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji sacrificed himself for Brahmins. This proves that Sikhs are Hindus.

Sikh: It has been clearly explained, as far as the Sikhs are concerned, from Gurbani and acceptable Sikh historic texts. There is no need of repetition. We accept only that Sakhis as a (valid) reference which is not against Gurbani.
To help the defenseless and troubled is the cardinal principle of Sikh religion. The compassionate Guru sacrificed himself to remove the injustice and to help those who sought refuge, which does not prove that the Gurus were Hindus. The Guru showed to Aurangzeb that his desire was to make one religion from two, i.e., to convert Hindus to Islam, but this is the Will of the Almighty Waheguru that there will be the third religion Khalsa Panth distinct from the two. The Guru did not sacrifice for Brahmins but for the whole world, as it is shown in Bachittar Natak.
He did this (sacrifice) for the sake of the Saints. He gave his head and did not utter a sigh.
You cannot say that the word ‘Sadh’ or ‘Saint’ means Hindu. My dear Hindu brother the instruction of the Guru to Sikhs is to help the weak and defenseless. Accepting this instruction of the Guru the acts of charity and favor that the Sikhs have done for the country and the sacrifices they have offered to remove injustice, history is witness to that. There is no need for me to narrate that. We consider you (Hindus), Moslems and Christians as well our own part and treat everyone in a brotherly fashion and would forever like to do that. But from religious point of view we (Sikhs) are not Hindus because our beliefs, worship and religious symbols, according to the principles of Quam are different from those of yours. Therefore the Sikh Quam is distinct like Moslems, Hindus and Christians.

 

[ax0547]

Vedas, Shastras and Puranas
Sikh: According to your (Hindu) belief Vedas are eternal1 and Simritis, Puranas are the basis of your religion. We (Sikhs) accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji as our only scripture and accept only those Sakhis and religious books that are in accord with Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This is the instruction of the Guru.
Except the Word of the Guru, all other word is false. False is the Word that is not the true Guru’s. False are the speakers, false are the hearers, false are those who speak and recite. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 917)

Sing the Guru's Bani, the supreme Word of Words. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 917)

Understand that the Word of the Guru's Shabad is above all. Do not speak of anything else; it is all just ashes. ||2|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 904)

The Word of the Guru's Bani prevails throughout the world; through this Bani, the Lord's Name is obtained. ||3|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1066)

Gurbani is the Light to illuminate this world; by His Grace, it comes to abide within the mind. ||1| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 67)

O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 308)

Accept as True, Perfectly True, the Word of the True Guru's Bani. In this way, you shall merge in the Lord, the Supreme Soul. ||14|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1028)

Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion. Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured. ||2|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 376)

The great ocean is full of the treasures of jewels upon jewels. Those who are committed to the Word of the Guru's Bani, see them come into their hands. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 442)

Sing the Word of the Guru's Bani, O Siblings of Destiny. That is always rewarding and peace-giving. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 628)

The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained. If His humble servant believes, and acts according to the Words of the Guru's Bani, then the Guru, in person, emancipates him. ||5|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 982)

Dear Hindu friend: Vedas, Shastars are your religious books but what Guru Ji has said about them we state here.

You may stand and recite the Shaastras and the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny, but these are just worldly actions. Filth cannot be washed away by hypocrisy, O Siblings of Destiny; the filth of corruption and sin is within you. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 635)

O Pandit, O religious scholar, your filth shall not be erased, even if you read the Vedas for four ages. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 647)

He is beyond the world of the Vedas, the Koran and the Bible. The Supreme King of Nanak is immanent and manifest. ||4||3||105|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 397)

One may read all the books of the Vedas, the Bible, the Simritees and the Shaastras, but they will not bring liberation. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 747)

The mortal thinks about the Vedic teachings of the three gunas, the three dispositions. He deals in corruption, filth and vice. He dies, only to be reborn; he is ruined over and over again. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1262)

The Simritee is the daughter of the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny. She has brought a chain and a rope. ||1|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 329)

The Vedas and the Scriptures are only make-believe, O Siblings of Destiny; they do not relieve the anxiety of the heart. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 727)

The Simritees and the Shaastras discriminate between good and evil, but they do not know the true essence of reality. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 920)

The great men have studied the Shaastras, the Simritees and the Vedas, and they have said this:
"Without the Lord's meditation, there is no emancipation, and no one has ever found peace."||1|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 215)

The great volumes of the Simritees and the Shaastras only extend the extension of attachment to Maya. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1053)

I have read all the Vedas, and yet the sense of separation in my mind still has not been removed; the five thieves of my house are not quieted, even for an instant. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 687)

The world is involved with the words of the Vedas, thinking about the three gunas - the three dispositions. Without the Name, it suffers punishment by the Messenger of Death; it comes and goes in reincarnation, over and over again. Meeting with the True Guru, the world is liberated, and finds the Door of Salvation. ||1|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1276)

The Pandits, the religious scholars, and the silent sages, reading and studying the Vedas, have grown weary. They do not even think of the Lord's Name; they do not dwell in the home of their own inner being. The Messenger of Death hovers over their heads; they are ruined by the deceit within themselves. ||7|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1277)

Vedas, Shastras, Simritis all say many things but I do not accept anyone of those. (Raam Avtaar, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

 

[Surya Deva]

Why you are you discussing the same thing in two different topics?

As others have pointed out you don't seem to understand the spirituality or meaning of Sikhism. What you have cited both is not contradicting the Vedas or Hindu gods, what it is saying is that the supreme being cannot be known by the Vedas, is much greater than all the gods, much greater than anything we can conceive. If you had any knowledge of Hinduism, which many of us have been kind enough to share with you, you would know Hinduism says the same. It says that the supreme being cannot be grasped with the senses, it cannot be touched with reason, it cannot be conceived or imagined. It is beyond anything we have, the Vedas cannot make us know him. It even goes as far as saying that the Vedas are useless once one has known that being.

If you continue to ignore what we are telling you then I think we are going to start ignoring you. I don't appreciate people who never even try to learn, even when the knowledge is front of them. I consider them ignorant. Look, it is obvious to everyone here you are very ignorant about Hinduism, and seemingly Sikhism too. So be humble, listen and pay attention to those who are learned and are willing to share their knowledge with you.

 

[ax0547]

soory got mixed up - but either way I got answer to your every and each answer now stop messing around!

 

[idea]

I don't understand why people look down on idol-worshippers, isn't it just another kind of worship, just as legitimate as any other?

There is something better to worship... It would be like someone who only talks to your cloths instead of to you, or only talks to and about the food you make instead of to you. It seems it would be rather frustrating to God for people to be talking to inanimaate objects instead of to Them.

"On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux."
(One cannot see well except with the heart, the essential is invisible to the eyes)
- The Little Prince

Perhaps it is about learning how to go beyond superficially scanning things with our eyes....

 

[ax0547]

There is something better to worship... It would be like someone who only talks to your cloths instead of to you, or only talks to and about the food you make instead of to you. It seems it would be rather frustrating to God for people to be talking to inanimaate objects instead of to Them.

"On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux."
(One cannot see well except with the heart, the essential is invisible to the eyes)
- The Little Prince

Perhaps it is about learning how to go beyond superficially scanning things with our eyes....

true that!:slap:

 

[zenzero]

Friend idea,

There is something better to worship... It would be like someone who only talks to your cloths instead of to you, or only talks to and about the food you make instead of to you. It seems it would be rather frustrating to God for people to be talking to inanimaate objects instead of to Them.

When you know that everything including YOU is what one understands by the term *GOD*. then that god can be spoken to in any form as you see the actual GOD in all its manifestations including the smallest sub-atomic particle.
Love & rgds

 

[blackout]

Friend idea,

When you know that everything including YOU is what one understands by the term *GOD*. then that god can be spoken to in any form as you see the actual GOD in all its manifestations including the smallest sub-atomic particle.
Love & rgds

Yup. :yes:

 

[gnostic]

Andys not everybody worships something because they want warm and fuzzy answers that comfort them. Worship is one of the highest expressions of being a human being, the ability to humble yourself to something else, to feel love and loyalty to it is definitely a very virtuous and human quality. One can worship god, they can worship their parents, they can worship knowledge.

So it is ok for me to worship :bow: Angelina Jolie or Jessica Alba?

 

[Surya Deva]

Whatever floats your boat Gnostic

 

[blackout]

Oooh! Oooh! Worship Me! Worship Me!

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Fearing God is not a good motivation for worshipping a deity. Such a god is considered a tyrant in my book, and has nothing to do with him being merciful or loving. There is enough dictators on earth, so I rather not cringe and lick foot for jealous and wrathful god.

A vengeful god is exact opposite of loving god.

So as you think, that God will not punish anyone for his sin.

the righteous and the wrongful will get the same reward from "loving God"

 

[andys]

Suraj
Let me ask you this: how many "seekers" of a god's word failed to find god's word? I'm betting 0%.
Please end this lunacy and admit once and for all, that all you want is a nice comfy, cozy belief system that lulls you into a mesmerizing dream-state. Golly, I know; those cold facts are so inconvenient. It was so easy to silence Galileo in the good old days. But, alas, we have civilized laws in place now. You no longer rule the roost.

Your gushy pleas in our modern world of reason and technology are conspicuously antiquated and irrelevant: "Worship is one of the highest expressions of being a human being".

Self inflicted slavery of the mind is no longer a noble crusade to be applauded. It is now a curiosity that demands rational explanation. In today's world, your rants about a "personal" god are of more interest to your psychiatrist than your neighbor.

Reason is on the rise.