What is wrong with Islam?

[The_Fisher_King]

Religion and politics is intertwined in quaran more than most any religion but Islam pretty much amounts to politicized religion. They may deny it is politicized.

Islaam is not just about the Qur'aan. It is a living, evolving religion, with many forms, just like any other. But I'm not denying that there is a significant political dimension to many forms of Islaam. What I would add though is that all religions have a significant political dimension to them (whether or not their holy book contains laws that relate to the way a community or state ought to be established, maintained, run, etc.). You seem to be saying that religion is somehow distinct from politics. Politics is just a fact of life, and as a religion has become established and developed over time it has necessarily become intertwined with politics.

 

[kaoticprofit]

Muslims are good people with a beautiful culture and language because of Muhammad and the Quran, but they need to be organised better and present a united front to people. The media has instilled all sorts of misconceptions and false notions about Islam so much so that people have become alarmingly antagonistic, hostile and negative towards a very beautiful Faith.

There is so much misinformation spread by the press that the right information about Islam is whitewashed.

What you read and see mostly on the internet is people repeating the negativeness of the media not the reality.

Muslims are a loving, peaceful people in general.

I can see that you know absolutely nothing about the history of Islam. Here's a little history about this religion of peace in just the last 7 days.

There were 56 attacks in 14 countries, 5 of them suicide blast, with 446 people killed and 456 people injured. This you your religion of peace. The atrocity of the week. Iraq - 100 Dead Shiite Pilgrims. These are your loving and peaceful people of Islam. If you want to see other Recent "Misunderstandings of Islam" go here....

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

 

[kaoticprofit]

What can we as the USA do to make things better in the middle east as far as environmental concerns the weather the water and anything else?

Yes. Get out and let them all kill one another...

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

 

[Riders]

I can see that you know absolutely nothing about the history of Islam. Here's a little history about this religion of peace in just the last 7 days.

There were 56 attacks in 14 countries, 5 of them suicide blast, with 446 people killed and 456 people injured. This you your religion of peace. The atrocity of the week. Iraq - 100 Dead Shiite Pilgrims. These are your loving and peaceful people of Islam. If you want to see other Recent "Misunderstandings of Islam" go here....

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Interesting, let me educate you in the military wars that were started by the Jewish folks and Christian, including the burning down of the Library at Alexandria.

That library had the most intelligent science and math facts of the world in it and the Christians destroyed it with war.

The point is all religions do this, its typical of every religion. So before you point your finger at the Muslims maybe you should look at your own bigoted religion.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Islam is not 30,000 or 50,000 terrorists but 1.7 billion Muslims. And the balanced picture says that Muslims and Islam are a peaceful people and religion but that extremists are to blame not the majority.

Let's take the gun massacres in the USA. So the constitution is evil because it allows people to own firearms and some deranged people go out and kill a room full of children?

Generalising is stereotyping and like racial profiling attributing blame upon all for the crimes of the few which is completely unjust and unfair.

 

[kaoticprofit]

No. Sure, there's been a lot of blood shed in the history of Islaam. But so too in the history of a fair few other religions and civilisations.



It's not Islaam that kills people, rather some Muslims. And what 'abominations of the Earth' are you talking about here

There is blood shed every hour in Islam. It has a continual 1,400 year history of blood shed whereas other religions have snapped out of it.

Muslims are Adherents to the evil religion of Islam. Are you serious??? What abominations of the earth am I talking about???
There's not enough memory on your computer to contain it all!

Flying planes into skyscrapers. Running over people with vehicles. butchering people with butcher knives. Lining people up on a beach and beheading them. Cutting peoples eyes and tongues out. Cutting hands and feet off. Burning them alive. Mass shootings and beheadings even by teenagers and the public is forced to watch. Blowing up a baby in a training video while the mother who wouldn't convert was forced to watched. Having children behead people and having people behead children. Sending two disabled women into a pet store with a bomb laden birdcage and remotely detonating it. Going into nightclubs and cafe's and shooting people with automatic weapons. Going into schools and hospitals and killing hundreds of Children. (Russia) Wrapping women up in a sheet, burying them up to their waist, and stoning them. These are just a few of the abominations from memory...

Muslim women are treated as second-class citizens in Islam. ONE example...
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) says hundreds of women were killed in so-called honor killings in the country last year. In its annual report, the HRCP said 913 girls and women, including 99 minors, were killed in 2012.

The report said 604 were killed after being accused of having illicit relations with men.

Around 191 were reported slain for marrying their own choice of husbands and going against their families' wishes. Honor killings are illegal in Pakistan, but such killings are still carried out in remote tribal areas. The number of honor killings in Pakistan usually ranges between 600 and 900 each year.

In Kolkata India on December 7 another killing in the name of "honor" and there has been a surge in such attacks over the past several months.

Nilofar Bibi, 22, was only 14 years old when she left home in an arranged marriage. Alleging torture carried out by her in-laws, Bibi returned to her parents on November 28, but vanished days later.

Her brother, Mehtab Alam, 29, had discovered his sister was living with an old boyfriend, Firoz, an auto-rickshaw driver. Alam stormed into the home and dragged Bibi onto the street in broad daylight.

Passers-by looked on in horror as he cut off Bibi's head while saying "she had sinned and had to be punished".

Alam left his sister's body in a pool of blood on the road, and calmly walked to the police station, her head in hand, to surrender himself. The siblings' family expressed support for Alam, saying they were proud he upheld their honor.

 

[kaoticprofit]

Interesting, let me educate you in the military wars that were started by the Jewish folks and Christian, including the burning down of the Library at Alexandria.

That library had the most intelligent science and math facts of the world in it and the Christians destroyed it with war.

The point is all religions do this, its typical of every religion. So before you point your finger at the Muslims maybe you should look at your own bigoted religion.

I just showed you the atrocities Muslims committed in the last seven days. Why don't you take your bigotry and show me what atrocities Christians committed in the last seven days. And let me ask you too..."How many friends did you lose on Sept. 11, 2001?" If September 11 happened in your back yard...and maybe if you would have lost friends or loved ones in the attack, maybe you wouldn't be calling my religion bigoted.

 

[kaoticprofit]

Christianity doesn't exactly have a great history on this score, though.

I'll tell you what. You show me how many people Christians murdered in the name of their God in the last 100 years, and I'll show you how many people Muslims murdered in the last hundred years. You're on!

 

[kaoticprofit]

What do you think of this video?
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-is-wrong-with-islam.193059/page-6#post-4976488

I've seen it before. If I were to comment on it I would probably get banned.

 

[kaoticprofit]

Riders said,

Interesting, let me educate you in the military wars that were started by the Jewish folks and Christian, including the burning down of the Library at Alexandria.

Let me educate you about Islam...

http://www.blacksheepprophecies.com/index.html

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

http://www.clarionproject.org/sites/default/files/islamic-state-isis-isil-factsheet-1.pdf

http://www.memri.org/

 

[kaoticprofit]

Islam is not 30,000 or 50,000 terrorists but 1.7 billion Muslims. And the balanced picture says that Muslims and Islam are a peaceful people and religion but that extremists are to blame not the majority.

Let's take the gun massacres in the USA. So the constitution is evil because it allows people to own firearms and some deranged people go out and kill a room full of children?

Generalising is stereotyping and like racial profiling attributing blame upon all for the crimes of the few which is completely unjust and unfair.

What you fail to see is what MOST people fail to see. Islamic terrorist are adherents to a religion of 1.7 billion people who are bent on world domination through demographics and violence. Yes there are too many murders in the USA, but they are NOT members of a religion FULL of evil idealism. They're mentioned right here...terrorism, violence, world domination, Islamic form of worship, foreign fighters...

Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. For, lo, I raise up the Chaldean's, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs. They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat. They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

The koran contains over 100 verses promoting violence.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Political correctness is a poison the world can do without. Racial profiling is necessary to preserve the planet.

 

[idav]

Islaam is not just about the Qur'aan. It is a living, evolving religion, with many forms, just like any other. But I'm not denying that there is a significant political dimension to many forms of Islaam. What I would add though is that all religions have a significant political dimension to them (whether or not their holy book contains laws that relate to the way a community or state ought to be established, maintained, run, etc.). You seem to be saying that religion is somehow distinct from politics. Politics is just a fact of life, and as a religion has become established and developed over time it has necessarily become intertwined with politics.

Religin and politics generally deal with different things but it's certainly not impossible for either to become integrated with the other. Constantine did the same with Christianity back in roman days. To me, not separating them is like saying that god really cares about mans politics which I might debate about.

 

[icehorse]

Interesting, let me educate you in the military wars that were started by the Jewish folks and Christian, including the burning down of the Library at Alexandria.

That library had the most intelligent science and math facts of the world in it and the Christians destroyed it with war.

The point is all religions do this, its typical of every religion. So before you point your finger at the Muslims maybe you should look at your own bigoted religion.

One difference I see with Islam is that it's adherents seem to be much more in denial than adherents of other religions. Let me give you an example:

The best estimates I've heard are that BOTH Muslims and Christians have committed 200-300 MILLION murders over the last 1300 years - that's EACH - in the name of their religion.

I've debated this claim many times with Christians and with Muslims. Many Christians have come to understand and largely agree with the claim. I have never once - after many debates and discussions - had a single Muslim agree with the claim.

 

[interminable]

It's very sad when I hear that some people still think that Muslims created the 11 in 2001

Seems media fulfilled their duties very well

Just I'm sorry for people that pretend that know everything but believe lies easily

This incident was occurred by the US nothing else

 

[kaoticprofit]

It's very sad when I hear that some people still think that Muslims created the 11 in 2001

Seems media fulfilled their duties very well

Just I'm sorry for people that pretend that know everything but believe lies easily

This incident was occurred by the US nothing else

It is very sad to see people deceived like you are. Don't feel sorry for me just because I know the truth. And I won't feel sorry for you OR your family if they go up in the American Hiroshima. Maybe you should educate yourself about it.

 

[kaoticprofit]

Maybe I should explain a little about the American Hiroshima because some of its original content has been removed from the internet.

I believe it was 2004 when President Bush was said to have, "gone through the roof" when he heard what I'm going to tell you. The Mexican Mafia, the MS-13, who runs most of the prisons in Mexico, was paid between 30 and 40 thousand dollars for each suitcase size nuclear weapon they smuggled into the U.S. for Bin Laden's loyal followers. Enough said other than the list of cities on the American Hiroshima list. Here are some of those cities...
NY, Boston, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, and I forgot some.

 

[sovietchild]

I'll tell you what. You show me how many people Christians murdered in the name of their God in the last 100 years, and I'll show you how many people Muslims murdered in the last hundred years. You're on!

Indeed, one of Hitlers most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Religion didn't create anything. The God of science did.

Science has no god. And many religions have made up many stories to give us answers to questions most people have. But we retire them once the are proven so wrong it's just folly to continue believing in them.

So why is there life in the our planet

No one truly knows. It could be a total "by chance" occurrence, we may have been put here by something.

it is part of the universe?

Much like the millions of simple cellular organisms that are a part of us, we are a part of the universe.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Maybe I should explain a little about the American Hiroshima because some of its original content has been removed from the internet.

I believe it was 2004 when President Bush was said to have, "gone through the roof" when he heard what I'm going to tell you. The Mexican Mafia, the MS-13, who runs most of the prisons in Mexico, was paid between 30 and 40 thousand dollars for each suitcase size nuclear weapon they smuggled into the U.S. for Bin Laden's loyal followers. Enough said other than the list of cities on the American Hiroshima list. Here are some of those cities...
NY, Boston, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, and I forgot some.

If they had them, they probably would have used them by now.

 

[kaoticprofit]

Indeed, one of Hitlers most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

Even if what you say about Hitler is 'completely true, which it isn't, he didn't do anything in the name of his God.


He is generally believed to have been skeptical of religion, but opportunistic and shrewdly aware of its influence on politics. Raised by an anti-clerical father and practicing Catholic mother, Hitler was baptized and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church as a boy, but became hostile to Catholicism in adulthood.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=was hitler religious

...and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk, indicate anti-Christian beliefs. Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler