What Is Wrong With Those Leftists Who Support Islam?

[Kirran]

Well yeah. Western leaders represent their entire nation.

Hell they do. Theresa May doesn't represent me.

 

[LuisDantas]

Oh the westerners....they come to your land for oil and proclaim you as bad people because you decide to defend your lands.

Considering how vainly you throw this accusation that you have just admitted to be unfounded, I have to wonder if that is common behavior.

There are significant indications elsewhere that it is indeed common behavior, and that all but implies that this accusation is a myth. Or to be more direct, a straight lie, a convenient protection of the Middle Easterner's fragile ego at the expense of the reputation of foreigners.

Not something that I can in good faith take lightly.

 

[Rival]

Hell they do. Theresa May doesn't represent me.

Or me. Or like, anyone I know.

 

[icehorse]

Who would you say stands on that pole? I assume you are referring to social "leftism" (i.e. progressivism) rather than politico-economic leftism.

Well competing groups are always fighting for ownership of terms. For my money "the left" and "progressive" are terms that have been distorted over time. I think the OP's mention of SJWs is a great example of who occupies the left pole. Anyone on the left who threatens to stifle speech is on the left pole. For that matter, anyone on the far right who attempts to stifle speech is on the right pole. (And perhaps left pole dwellers have secret meetings with right pole dwellers!)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

But should human rights be thrown under the bus along the way? I think not.

I was pretty clear in my post about that.

 

[sovietchild]

Hell they do. Theresa May doesn't represent me.

I'm sorry if you don't like her but she as a leader of UK is an image of your nation.

 

[Kirran]

Or me. Or like, anyone I know.

What about all the people who voted for her?

Wait...

Well competing groups are always fighting for ownership of terms. For my money "the left" and "progressive" are terms that have been distorted over time. I think the OP's mention of SJWs is a great example of who occupies the left pole. Anyone on the left who threatens to stifle speech is on the left pole. For that matter, anyone on the far right who attempts to stifle speech is on the right pole. (And perhaps left pole dwellers have secret meetings with right pole dwellers!)

See I'm a hardcore SJW (to reclaim the meaningless slur against progressives) and would find most social progressives to be less socially progressive than myself in their ideals.

But how is any of that leftist? It doesn't come from or demand actual leftist thought and ideology, you can be right wing and support those same ideas. Indeed, most social progressives are capitalists.

 

[Kirran]

I'm sorry if you don't like her but she as a leader of UK is an image of your nation.

So we can blame all British people for the actions of Theresa May and the British government, just as we can blame all the North Koreans for the actions of the Kim dynasty, all Russians for everything Putin does, all Saudis for the actions of the Saudi government, all Americans for everything Trump does, etc?

 

[icehorse]

All the indoctrination sessions seem to have slipped from my recollection.

Actually I think some forms of soft indoctrination do occur quite frequently. For example, we see students all over the U.S. who support BSD movements against Israel and who can't answer the most basic questions about Israel, its history, or the region surrounding it. These people have been swept up in a "movement".

 

[sovietchild]

So we can blame all British people for the actions of Theresa May and the British government, just as we can blame all the North Koreans for the actions of the Kim dynasty, all Russians for everything Putin does, all Saudis for the actions of the Saudi government, all Americans for everything Trump does, etc?

Yes, because it's their fault they don't stand up against him, including soldiers.

 

[icehorse]

I loathe the "SJW" slur, so I wouldn't call such far leftists that. I much prefer the term "regressive left."

I hereby, retroactively want to change my uses of the phrase "SJW" to "regressive left".

 

[Kirran]

Actually I think some forms of soft indoctrination do occur quite frequently. For example, we see students all over the U.S. who support BSD movements against Israel and who can't answer the most basic questions about Israel, its history, or the region surrounding it. These people have been swept up in a "movement".

Fair enough. Similar on both sides, as I have no doubt you'll agree. I don't especially support the BDS Campaign personally, although I think it raises some excellent points.

Yes, because it's their fault they don't stand up against him, including soldiers.

I get a sneaking suspicion you're actually being serious here.

 

[Kirran]

I hereby, retroactively want to change my uses of the phrase "SJW" to "regressive left".

But now you're using a term invented by a Muslim! :O

 

[Rival]

Yes, because it's their fault they don't stand up against him, including soldiers.

 

[LuisDantas]

Actually I think some forms of soft indoctrination do occur quite frequently. For example, we see students all over the U.S. who support BSD movements against Israel and who can't answer the most basic questions about Israel, its history, or the region surrounding it. These people have been swept up in a "movement".

That is an interesting, under-discussed matter to raise. It has been noted that even steady pacifists find that there is an actual effort to be made when a whole community is mobilized for armed war, for instance.

 

[sovietchild]

Fair enough. Similar on both sides, as I have no doubt you'll agree. I don't especially support the BDS Campaign personally, although I think it raises some excellent points.



I get a sneaking suspicion you're actually being serious here.

If your leader is a tyrant and your people don't do anything about it. Who's fault is that?

 

[Kirran]

If your leader is a tyrant and your people don't do anything about it. Who's fault is that?

Primarily that of the leader. Most people are too busy going to work, taking their children to school, cooking dinner etc. And also, there were many many people who tried very hard to block the Iraq War, for example, among the British people, but just didn't manage. I was taken along to marches against it by my mother as a young child, so I am told.

 

[sovietchild]

So, What Is Wrong With Those Leftists Who Support Islam?

Did anyone actually answer?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Oh the westerners....they come to your land for oil and proclaim you as bad people because you decide to defend your lands.

No, we get sick of being blamed all the time for problems that Muslims cause for themselves. No, we aren't guiltless, but at least we're intellectually competent enough to actually say so. How the **** is Sunni-Shia sectarianism our fault? Westerners did not make Iraqis steal former regime weapons and start shooting their neighbours. To place the blame on us is to state that such a reaction was inevitable, and that Muslims have no control over their actions which is absurd. We got involved in Libya like the rebels asked and weakened the Gadhafi regime enough for the rebels to overthrow it. If we hadn't you'd be sitting here *****ing about how a West-backed dictator turned a revolting city into a charnel house while we looked on and did nothing.

The brutal fact is the West can do no good in Muslim eyes unless acts of atrocities directly benefit Muslims. Muslims complain all the time about the state of Israel but conveniently ignore the elephant in the room that is Pakistan. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions died as a result of Pakistan's formation (mentioned in the paragraph immediately before the section titled "Independence and modern Pakistan") but that's okay because a lot of Muslims don't have to live among the Indian kuffar any more.

Forming new states only seems to be bad when non-Muslims do it.

No. They came because they needed oil. Their ships were running on coal.

Why would coal-burning ships need oil? That requires a different fuel system because coal is solid and distilled fuel oil is not. The British didn't even know Saudi Arabia had oil until after the Ottoman Empire had fallen so how could it be a factor in their decision to go there in the first place?

Hell they do. Theresa May doesn't represent me.

Wot he said. Theresa May can eat **** & die for all I care.

 

[sovietchild]

Primarily that of the leader. Most people are too busy going to work, taking their children to school, cooking dinner etc. And also, there were many many people who tried very hard to block the Iraq War, for example, among the British people, but just didn't manage. I was taken along to marches against it by my mother as a young child, so I am told.

I guess they didn't try hard enough.