What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

[tariqkhwaja]

Yes and many humans, unfortunately, and unlike you tend to prefer to continue to make that lie. All those other Christians who continue to believe in these irrational theories of Christianity after being presented so many times by Atheists and others for the overwhelming evidence against those theories ... do they not choose to lie. Did you not choose to be honest? You fought it, yes, but reason was too much for you to do away with. So you chose to embrace reason.

By the way your story is quite intriguing ... maybe you want to reconsider there being no God. I mean the god of Christianity is not the only one out there you know.

 

[TashaN]

Uh, dude. You have got it ALL wrong. There was no CHOICE to start thinking rationally and stop believing. You talk as if I actively sought this change out and welcomed it. If anything, I fought it. I was scared to death to believe there was no God. I felt like I was sinning for even thinking it.

Helllllllllo. Hi? Over here? Hi! Ok did you not read my post? I said I didn't want to stop believing. I wanted to keep believing and loving God and Jesus. But I couldn't. My ideas and my heart started to change and I had no control over that. I would have been perfectly happy loving God and Jesus the rest of my life, but the ideas presented to me with regards to atheism changed something inside me. You have no idea how much I tried to fight that and to keep believing.

If I had just kept on believing even though my heart was telling me something completely different, I would be lying to myself. My worship would have been false, a lie.

Comparison:
I don't know if you've ever been in love. Hell, I only have once. But you know that physically sickening feeling you get when you come to realize, over time, it's just not meant to be? You try to fight that because it goes against everything you want at the time. But try as you might, you can't deny what your heart is telling you: that it's over, it's not meant to be. To continue in a relationship like that would be a lie.

Would i be safe to say that you didn't decide one day to just leave all these beliefs behind, but, all what happened was that it was getting out of your way one after another automatically the more you think and question it?

Then at the end, you found yourself outside that circle even though you kept pushing yourself to go back inside?

 

[TashaN]

By the way your story is quite intriguing ... maybe you want to reconsider there being no God. I mean the god of Christianity is not the only one out there you know.

It's true that in Islam we don't have trinity, but only one God. I don't understand why are you saying the Christian God is different God!

It's just that, their interpretation of God is different but we all believe in God "the father" to be our God, although Muslims and Jews don't recognize Jesus or the holy spirit to be part of God, but unlike the Jews, we do recognize Jesus to be a Prophet of God who was healing the sick, who was born of a virgin mary--who an entire chapter of the Quran is named after her--but we believe that all this work done by Jesus wasn't of his own power, but the power given to him by God, just like Moses and the sea, Noah with the fload, etc.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Yes and many humans, unfortunately, and unlike you tend to prefer to continue to make that lie. All those other Christians who continue to believe in these irrational theories of Christianity after being presented so many times by Atheists and others for the overwhelming evidence against those theories ... do they not choose to lie. Did you not choose to be honest? You fought it, yes, but reason was too much for you to do away with. So you chose to embrace reason.

We should probably just clarify that this being a "choice" is merely your opinion. It being a choice would mean I would have had to have actively sought out knowledge in order precipitate a change in my way of thinking. That just wasn't so.

It isn't just Christianity that's irrational, as you put it. ALL religion is irrational (to me).

And why is it wrong to embrace reason? If that is what my heart is telling me? I follow my heart. Your heart tells you something different. But we both recognize it as truth. That, perhaps, should be the end of it.

By the way your story is quite intriguing ... maybe you want to reconsider there being no God. I mean the god of Christianity is not the only one out there you know.

Really? Huh. I hadn't thought of that......

Maybe you want to reconsider there being a god. Or there being a god other than Allah. Not that simple, is it? What is in your heart is the undeniable truth. Same for me.

If you could ever possibly see things from my perspective, you would see they're all one and the same.

 

[Willamena]

What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

You do, with this subject line. It's like trying not to think of a pink and purple striped elephant.

 

[Right_Path]

That is entirely incorrect, sir. And I wish you'd quit insisting it to be true.

I was perfectly happy loving God and Jesus. Then certain things in life got me to thinking and I, reluctantly, began to ask myself questions. I had to. I couldn't deny that there were questions that needed to be asked. I didn't even want to know the answers to these questions, I just wanted to keep believing in God and Jesus. Unfortunately, I couldn't just choose to keep on doing that. My faith was cracked by rational thinking and thus, I became a nonbeliever.

Certainly not my choice. I wanted to believe but couldn't anymore.

Maybe you don't understand how to listen to your heart? When that is telling you something completely different from what your head might be telling you, you have no say in the matter.

This can't be right either....if you WANTED to believe in God, he will guide you towards his path.

I'm afradi to tell you that your faith was not complete...because complete faith will answer any 'question' you had.

 

[zenzero]

Friend right Path,
welcome to RF.
Best wishes.
Love & rgds

 

[kai]

This can't be right either....if you WANTED to believe in God, he will guide you towards his path.

I'm afradi to tell you that your faith was not complete...

because complete faith will answer any 'question' you had.

of course it will, thats whats wrong with it. God did it , God wants it,God says so, these are not the answers everyone wants to hear.

 

[Right_Path]

Maybe so. But there are other possibilities. One can go through extraordinary troubles without necessarily being right. I don't think Mohammed (peace be upon him, why not?) was making false claims, in fact I doubt it. I don't think he was right either.
Honest question: why should I choose between becoming a Muslim or declaring Islam "false"? I can in good faith choose not to adopt a faith and yet see worth and dignity in it. At least I hope so.

Mate, Islam is a term referring to the religion where you chose to believe in one God.

So when you reject Islam, then you have declared it false, i.e. rejected God.
You either believe Mohamed was prophet, and so comply with what he was sent with...or the exact opposite, you can't do both.

In all honesty, it is more like Islam rejected me. It has no provision for atheists like me. But hey, I don't think there is anything wrong in believing in God, really. And Islam has a lot to be proud of, even if I really question some of its beliefs and choices.

Islam did not reject you...Islam is based upon worshipping a one and only God...you reject the existence of God in the first place...so the conclusion is: You rejected it.

anyways, the door is always is open

 

[Right_Path]

of course it will, thats whats wrong with it. God did it , God wants it,God says so, these are not the answers everyone wants to hear.

This is because he is God, he knows more...so when he does, decides or says anything, you must be confident he is doing what is best.

and ''the answers eveyone wants to hear'' is never necessarily the correct answers...i'd rather choose the correct answers than the answers i want to hear.

 

[kai]

This is because he is God, he knows more...so when he does, decides or says anything, you must be confident he is doing what is best.

and ''the answers eveyone wants to hear'' is never necessarily the correct answers...i'd rather choose the correct answers than the answers i want to hear.

as long as you are choosing the correct answers and not the ones you want to hear

 

[LuisDantas]

Sorry, Right Path. I admire your honest, I truly do.

But becoming a theist is not an option, not for me. I am sorry it must be understood as a rejection of Islam.

All the best,
Luis

 

[herushura]

I not one to judge religions

 

[Im an Atheist]

I think islam is a false religion becuase you have "Muslim Extremists"

Dont call me racist now, becuase im not.

But personally the prics go round spreading hate and blowing up buildings and innocent people.

Why do they do this?, "For their God"


But i thought that all religions promoted peace and well being, im still to come across a religion which says kill other people now or your will not be allowed into heaven

 

[kai]

I think islam is a false religion becuase you have "Muslim Extremists"

Dont call me racist now, becuase im not.

But personally the prics go round spreading hate and blowing up buildings and innocent people.

Why do they do this?, "For their God"


But i though that all religions promoted peace and well being, i still to come across a religion which says kill other people now or your will not be allowed into heaven

here we go again !scream if you want to go faster!

 

[Im an Atheist]

Call it islamiphobia

But i cleary quoted "Muslim extremists"

 

[Riverwolf]

Call it islamiphobia

But i cleary quoted "Muslim extremists"

As if there weren't extremists in other religions as well.

I suggest talking to the Muslims here on RF to cure that completely unfounded Islamophobia. Ignore that minority that is Al-Qaeda.

 

[Im an Atheist]

Sorry, but i forgot to notice that its always muslims extremist that blow things up. im not going to turn on ITV and it says, breaking news, a christian extremist has just blew up a church.

And dont use your jesus phrases on me!

 

[gnomon]

This is my first contribution, I am Muslim and I believe Mohamed PBUH was a true prophet, but I feel that others have the right to know more about my religion. Since it has been mispresented by many, thus misunderstood.

Without being biased to Islam, I tried to perceive it from a non-Muslim viewpoint: 'Why would one reject Islam?'...To test the validity of the message, it is easier to look behind the source: The Prophet and the Holy Book.

1-Mohamed: It is fair to say that a poor man would never throw himself into the endless trouble of inviting his people to a new religion, in a very tough community, unless he is really God-sent.
There is no point whatsoever to falsely claim prophecy for nothing.

2-The Quran: In addition to the countless miracles in the Quran (which I am ready to explain God-willing)... most of the Quran includes verses where God tells about himself.
People who question the integrity of the holy Quran must ask this: Why hasn't God answered back Mohamed. (If you assume that the Quran is nothing but Mohamed's words).

I used the term 'false', in reference to those who do not believe that Mohamed was a messenger from God or that the Quran is the word of God. In other words, reject Islam and claim it is untrue.

Why would you reject Islam?

Because I do not need any crutches.:slap:

Ba dum chh.

Kidding. I do not believe in anything supernatural nor do I find belief in such things useful. So Islam truly is no more meaningful or meaningless to me than any other religion.

 

[Im an Atheist]

haha nice joke.
I completely agree with you, myself I do not believe in any religion or supernatural entities.
I think we stand united saying that it is not just the Islam faith that is false.

Do you agree with me? :cigar: