Secret Chief
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Pairing the wrong shoes with your trousers.
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What was the first sin ever committed ?
- Thread starter Tinkerpeach
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Please elaborate.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
If we take Jesus's definition of sin from his condensing all the laws to 2, we have Love God with all your being, and Love your neighbor. Break that down to: obey God and harm no other.
Ingratitude - in the Garden story manifests in that A & E didn't appreciate all God gave them and wanted what they were told not to touch. And E harmed A by sharing this idea.
Now in the more historical setting of early humanoids, someone decided there must be more somewhere else, so they began to travel and discover. But finding enough was never enough. . .and that grass is greener over there covered the globe.
Basically yes, though why he takes that namby-pamby approach is beyond me.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
The original "sin" is the I am greater than. All bad things occur when this happens.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
Why blame it on the woman? This never made any sense to me. It is like an intentional degradation of women not present in my religion.
Of course you don't have to love any god at all to treat other people with decency, respect, inclusion and common sense. And if you do that, what argument can God have with you?
As I tirelessly point out, there's no such thing in the Genesis Garden story. In the story, God has withheld from Adam and Eve all knowledge of good and evil. Therefore at the time they ate the fruit they were each incapable of knowing they were doing anything wrong, therefore they were each incapable of sin. Note especially that the Garden story agrees, NEVER, not even once, mentions sin, or the fall of man, or death entering the world. The story makes it clear that death is part of the natural scene by having a Tree of Life, of immortality ─ entirely unnecessary if no one was going to die anyway.
But to date no one has any coherent concept of a real God, let alone the opinions of such an entity. They're ALL generated by humans.
God never appears, never says, never does. That seems perfectly consistent with God existing only as a concept, notion, thing imagined in individual brains, no?
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
I believe the poster who said pride, committed by Lucifer as the first sin was correct.
The appalling attempt at style in fashioning clothing out of various plant leaves...
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Only if you believe God created evil. I believe everything God created was very good, but humankind's perception is too worldly and immature to see so correctly.... Thus comes the story of Lucifer as being evil, rather than merely temptation which we are meant to learn to overcome.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
Why is this one correct?
McBell
Unbound
Would not the first sin be by Lucifer when he rejected God?
stvdv
Veteran Member
But?
I just showed, that, asking this question, conflicts with the view of God assumed in the OP
I tried to stay within the scope of the OP
stvdv
Veteran Member
No one?
This is your assumption
Better to say "I don't know about God"
Generalizing here is not correct
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
I’m not sure rejection is what he was doing though. I believe he wanted to take over hence the war in Heaven. I may be wrong but didn’t he consider himself equal to God?
stvdv
Veteran Member
Again not correct; better avoid claims you can't prove, and stick to what you know, and stay away from generalizations when it comes to God
You better phrase it differently:
"I have never experienced God"
If you have never experienced God (the notion of God, you have), you come to that conclusion, this I totally understand, as I try to get first hand experiences myself; I don't see the use in "blind belief (without actual personal first hand experiences)".
Others (might) have different experiences and even use different definitions of God, and then God might make perfect sense to them, hence it's best to stick to "in my experience ..."
I am just not interested in making God into a dogma, being able to put God in a box, labeling it as "done, case solved".
God concept is the opposite of that, in my experience and in my view. The God concept gives me the key to step out of the "feeling the need to know and be able to explain everything", and thinking "knowledge is all important". Let go of "boxing" everything
Following the "God" path makes me introspect
What more do I need? What is more rewarding than that? Know Thy Self!
McBell
Unbound
There are countless different thoughts, theories, opinions, etc. concerning Lucifer.
Most of which is pure guess work by filling in the blanks left by the Bible.
So depending on which one(s) you adhere to...
Some say Lucifer wanted to be Gods equal, some say he wanted to rule heaven, some say it was not actually God Lucifer had the problem with but Jesus.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Well yeah there simply isn’t enough information to know for sure. I do think the first sin comes from him though and not humans although that brings up a new question of whether angelic beings are capable of sin or if that is only for humans.
McBell
Unbound
Seems it would depend upon when exactly he rebelled.
It seems likely that because his main objection was Jesus being sent to Earth as a human, that Lucifers rebellion was not until the New Testament.
Meaning that humans were around for a bit before the rebellion...
IF this is the case, then Lucifers rebellion would not have been the first sin.