What was the first sin ever committed ?

[Brian2]

More ingratitude -- which leads to a multitude of related "sins."

Should we be grateful to the serpent? Is ingratitude to the serpent what has led to the evil we have in the world?

 

[Brian2]

Why did the god create serpents?

You would need to ask God that question? They probably have their purpose.

 

[Heyo]

There are countless different thoughts, theories, opinions, etc. concerning Lucifer.
Most of which is pure guess work by filling in the blanks left by the Bible.

So depending on which one(s) you adhere to...

Some say Lucifer wanted to be Gods equal, some say he wanted to rule heaven, some say it was not actually God Lucifer had the problem with but Jesus.

And some have read the scripture. According to that, Lucifer had a problem with authority, he refused to serve. "Non serviam" is his sin, i.e. disobedience. Other realm, same story.

 

[Spice]

Should we be grateful to the serpent? Is ingratitude to the serpent what has led to the evil we have in the world?

See post #51

 

[Brian2]

What is the Biblical definition? Where is the source?

From this site: What Is Sin? Definition and Bible Understanding).

In the Bible, sin is described as a transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4) and rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18).

 

[Heyo]

No one?
This is your assumption

Nope, not an assumption, but a conclusion.

Better to say "I don't know about God"

Generalizing here is not correct

It is. If there was a coherent concept, it would have spread.
What we can observe, is that people don't agree on a concept of god(s), not even those in the same religion or denomination. That makes it an objective evaluation.

 

[Brian2]

Only if you believe God created evil. I believe everything God created was very good, but humankind's perception is too worldly and immature to see so correctly.... Thus comes the story of Lucifer as being evil, rather than merely temptation which we are meant to learn to overcome.

We are told by Jesus whom the serpent is.
Sure we are to overcome temptation but the one who brought the flood of temptations onto humanity is satan, the serpent. Adam and Eve were not ready to know about good and evil and be tempted by it on every side and neither are we.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Seems it would depend upon when exactly he rebelled.
It seems likely that because his main objection was Jesus being sent to Earth as a human, that Lucifers rebellion was not until the New Testament.
Meaning that humans were around for a bit before the rebellion...
IF this is the case, then Lucifers rebellion would not have been the first sin.

I haven’t heard that Lucifer and Jesus had a beef I thought it was because God told Lucifer to kneel before man, His new creation or something to that effect.

 

[McBell]

I haven’t heard that Lucifer and Jesus had a beef I thought it was because God told Lucifer to kneel before man, His new creation or something to that effect.

Here is one source for the Lucifer/Jesus "beef"..

When Did Satan's Fall Occur?

Did Satan's apostasy and expulsion from heaven take place before our world was created?

www.ministrymagazine.org

 

[stvdv]

Nope, not an assumption, but a conclusion.

You are free to believe that

It is.

not

If there was a coherent concept, it would have spread.

You seem to believe that internet is God or ...

What we can observe, is that people don't agree on a concept of god(s)

And that proves? Nada

even those in the same religion or denomination.

Yes, so what

That makes it an objective evaluation.

Not at all

 

[Heyo]

You seem to believe that internet is God or ...

People have believed in gods for at least 5,000 years. And whenever they encountered someone else with a different god concept, they have killed each other. They had 5000 years without internet to settle their differences in a debate - but they didn't, because they couldn't.

And that proves? Nada

OK, so we do agree on the data, at least something. What is your hypothesis that explains the facts? That only your god concept is right and everybody else got it wrong? Why isn't your god concept convincing?

What is your god concept? I don't have any, so I'm an unbiased observer, I will only point out inconsistencies.

 

[blü 2]

I believe the poster who said pride, committed by Lucifer as the first sin was correct.

Where exactly does the bible say that?

 

[blü 2]

Again not correct; better avoid claims you can't prove, and stick to what you know, and stay away from generalizations when it comes to God

You better phrase it differently:
"I have never experienced God"

"Experiencing God" is not the same thing as God appearing, or acting. All the purported incidences of people experiencing God are references to purely mental events of theirs. When I say 'appear' I mean appear in public, in front of the cameras, as a real entity instead of an idea or notion generated internally by someone's brain.

If you have never experienced God (the notion of God, you have), you come to that conclusion, this I totally understand, as I try to get first hand experiences myself; I don't see the use in "blind belief (without actual personal first hand experiences)".

It isn't as if at different times in the past I haven't tried with complete honesty and openness.

But I object to the idea that the experiencer has to invent the apparent agent of the experience and label it God. Why doesn't God appear to Buddhists, to Hindus, to atheists,? Why doesn't God have a weekly segment on national TV or at least make spot appearances on Colbert?

What more do I need? What is more rewarding than that? Know Thy Self!

I have no intention of making this any sort of personal attack on you. But this is a debate forum, where one can make one's point plainly and defend it if necessary.

 

[1213]

I believe the poster who said pride, committed by Lucifer as the first sin was correct.

Ok, I think that is a good point. Although I think sin is to reject God, or to be without God. And I think that was also the sin of Lucifer, and pride was just one sign of that.

 

[Brian2]

Seems it would depend upon when exactly he rebelled.
It seems likely that because his main objection was Jesus being sent to Earth as a human, that Lucifers rebellion was not until the New Testament.
Meaning that humans were around for a bit before the rebellion...
IF this is the case, then Lucifers rebellion would not have been the first sin.

I suppose it is hard to tell when the war broke out in heaven and when Satan and his angels were kicked out (Rev 12) However the serpent is punished for what he did in the garden and so would have done something against the will of God. But God is very patient and it can be seen in the Bible that He does not condemn completely initially, but allows people and I guess angels, to either repent or show their true colours before condemning them.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

From this site: What Is Sin? Definition and Bible Understanding).

Thanks ... love the picture of the apple.

 

[SalixIncendium]

...love the picture of the apple.

I've seen better.

 

[Spice]

We are told by Jesus whom the serpent is.
Sure we are to overcome temptation but the one who brought the flood of temptations onto humanity is satan, the serpent. Adam and Eve were not ready to know about good and evil and be tempted by it on every side and neither are we.

But Satan, like Jesus, can do nothing without the Father. See the book of Job.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The first sin? Painting the outside of the cave to match the interior - which was painted white so as to shed more light on things - but such just ruined the neighbourhood.

 

[PearlSeeker]

All we know about early (pre)history of man is only from archeological evidence. Everything else is myth. We don't have evidence of the first sin so we can only speculate what happened.

Oldest known sin is maybe this:

In a cave in northern Spain, archeological detectives discovered the remains of a 430,000-year-old skull bearing what appears to be lethal, deliberately inflicted blunt force trauma. If the scientists' interpretation of the wound is accurate, the skull represents the earliest known murder.

Investigating the Case of the Earliest Known Murder Victim

A 430,000-year-old skull discovered in a Spanish cave bears evidence of deliberate, lethal blunt force trauma

www.smithsonianmag.com