What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

[Vinayaka]

I glad you stopped by the thread. It's always good to hear from you.

Yes, I slip up every once in awhile. When I see the double standard finger pointing about who knows more, 'you just haven't studied enough' silliness, I have this fantasy that pointing it out might induce a change of behaviour. But it never does. Carry on.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Are you kidding me: the texts it self shows categorically that the Synoptic Gospels do not align with the Gospel of John by over 30+ contradictions in testimony...

Regardless of who I am we should show it with the texts; yet if we include my level of authority, as the Archangel - Sandalphon in Judaism with the new name of Christ - Sananda (Revelation 3:12), my name being the same as Zeus (Zan), Ahura Mazda, etc.... Then my authority is the highest in Heaven.


The problem is Baha'u'llah was not guided by the Source of reality, else he wouldn't have overstepped certain prophecies into a Snare in the text, and made himself into the father of Yeshua.

Therefore by definition of the place Baha'u'llah claimed himself, the prophecies he overwrote, he has put Baha'is on the road to Hell by leading them the wrong way - sorry.

Yeshua did not come as a sin sacrifice, I'm appalled you don't recognize this is morally wrong; God sent him to teach the knowledge of God, and he was murdered by the Leaders, proving we should trust what God's messengers have left us with, not some religious dictatorship by scholarship.

In my opinion.

The main thing I wanted to clear up is that Baha’u’llah Himself denied being God. This is the problem when people make false accusations is they don’t do the research before making these accusations.

The other claims you make are just your own opinions which you are perfectly entitled to but it is humbly suggested to properly research these matters as you have been found wanting already as Baha’u’llah clearly stated He was God’s Servant.

To the Shah of Persia He again claimed no station for Himself.

O KING! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing.

Again, It is most important to be armed with informed knowledge about what we speak about instead of just making blind accusations based upon pure ignorance or emotion.

Just how much you have really studied about Baha’u’llah leaves a lot to be desired. Methinks very, very little if any?

You should have found this quote also which further explains it.

When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things ‘verily I am God!’; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!

There’s absolutely no claim here to being the Almighty just a very close relationship. I’m more than happy to have discussion but you need to get your facts right by being much better informed.

I think that people are getting caught out by visiting anti Baha’i websites who obviously are not telling the entire truth but cherry picking and hoping people fall for it. Those who do their own investigation will find that Baha’u’llah denied emphatically being God. This is an accusation made by anti Baha’i websites preying on the ignorance of others.

 

[wizanda]

And you saying I am not a Muslim etc etc are again ad hominem

I know you've been led to believe by your Imams all you have to do is put a label on, and that makes you equal to Abraham, Moses, David, Yeshua, etc, yet honestly you're no where like them...

So I'm not going to call you a Muslim, as you do not appear as a Servant of God as they were; you seem like a follow of Muhammad, if you think that is an insult, then maybe raise your value, not put other prophets down by bringing them to your level.

Muthawaffaika means end of life. Death. This is what Quran says happened to Jesus.

19:33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.

Most Muhammadans I've ever spoken to believe that Yeshua didn't die, and was raised up... Some even believe he is physical in Heaven, and will return the same way.

Quran does not say Jesus is coming back. Nowhere.

As saying it isn't a pantomime, you shouting out, "oh no it isn't!" doesn't change the evidence provided.

I do not agree with everything in these Islamic sites, and am merely posting them to show this is the common belief:

Jesus Will Return - IslamiCity

Second Coming - this shows that Yeshua returns at the resurrection, which I'm sent just before as all religious texts globally state.

The Source of our reality told me as a child the Great Tribulation is coming, and whilst we debate on things nothing to do with what is important, the time draws closer; I was here at the Midnight Hour, that was 15 years ago...

The knowledge of ending the Dajjal you're not interested in, and you're meant to be on our side - God help us.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been.

He didn't understand numerous errors, he builds on Pauline Christianity, and did not know the difference, numerous award winning theologians have seen Paul contradicts Christ.

The main thing I wanted to clear up is that Baha’u’llah Himself denied being God.

You've not proven a case, instead you're making it worse, you just don't see Baha'u'llah wraps you up in his own words about him being the ultimate source of knowledge.

The scientific method between all the prophets is the only way to be logically consistent.

Baha’u’llah clearly stated He was God’s Servant.

Paul states the same about himself; yet his testimony doesn't align with what came before it... Same applies with Baha'u'llah.

Just how much you have really studied about Baha’u’llah leaves a lot to be desired. Methinks very, very little if any.

The reason being is because he makes Yeshua (Synoptic Gospels) into 'jesus' the martyr (John, Paul, and Simon), he doesn't know the differences; therefore why study under someone so Blinded, if you can see they've fallen into a Trap?

In my opinion.

 

[loverofhumanity]

He didn't understand numerous errors, he builds on Pauline Christianity, and did not know the difference, numerous award winning theologians have seen Paul contradicts Christ.

You've not proven a case, instead you're making it worse, you just don't see Baha'u'llah wraps you up in his own words about him being the ultimate source of knowledge.

The scientific method between all the prophets is the only way to be logically consistent.

Paul states the same about himself; yet his testimony doesn't align with what came before it... Same applies with Baha'u'llah.

The reason being is because he makes Yeshua (Synoptic Gospels) into 'jesus' the martyr (John, Paul, and Simon), he doesn't know the differences; therefore why study under someone so Blinded, if you can see they've fallen into a Trap?

In my opinion.

Others disagree with you. As I said it’s just the view you support not the one that is correct. Your opinion is yours.

Paul Did Not Contradict Jesus

 

[wizanda]

Others disagree with you.
Paul Did Not Contradict Jesus

This isn't theological debate - we actually need to know these texts, we can't just post someone's ideas to show why our eternal life is validated by another person's understanding.

As I said it’s just the view you support not the one that is correct.

The contradictions in the case are put there by the Source of reality to show where people are immoral...

I was sent with some of this knowledge since birth to fix these issues before the Great Tribulation; so regardless if you believe it or not, the things will happen, and people who don't examine the case will prove their lack of morality.

In my opinion.

 

[Muffled]

Even Jesus himself said there will be those who say know him and have done works in his name, but he will say to them "I don't know you" and he will cast them away.

I believe I can envision that for those who don't even acknowledge Him or just pay no attention to Him but I think even the apostates know better than that.

 

[Muffled]

So it begs the question what are the grounds for seeing sacred scripture as metaphor rather than literal. Other questions are why can it not be both literal history and metaphor as Christ’s crucifixion was? Why not multiple meanings? Who gets to decide?

Jesus spoke in parables which of course are filled with metaphor. Some He interpreted for us, others we are left to decide. Many of the 300 or more verses in the Hebrew Bible some Christians believe refer to Jesus need to be seen as metaphor.

I believe Wikipedia suggests that it is referential when it can be shown not to be literal. For instance Jesus as the lamb that takes away sins. It ought to be easily discerned from scripture that Jesus is a man and not a lamb. Also one can recognize that John is referring to Jesus a a lamb so the statement is already referential.

 

[firedragon]

I know you've been led to believe by your Imams all you have to do is put a label on, and that makes you equal to Abraham, Moses, David, Yeshua, etc, yet honestly you're no where like them...

So I'm not going to call you a Muslim, as you do not appear as a Servant of God as they were; you seem like a follow of Muhammad, if you think that is an insult, then maybe raise your value, not put other prophets down by bringing them to your level.

19:33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.

Most Muhammadans I've ever spoken to believe that Yeshua didn't die, and was raised up... Some even believe he is physical in Heaven, and will return the same way.

As saying it isn't a pantomime, you shouting out, "oh no it isn't!" doesn't change the evidence provided.

I do not agree with everything in these Islamic sites, and am merely posting them to show this is the common belief:

Jesus Will Return - IslamiCity

Second Coming - this shows that Yeshua returns at the resurrection, which I'm sent just before as all religious texts globally state.

The Source of our reality told me as a child the Great Tribulation is coming, and whilst we debate on things nothing to do with what is important, the time draws closer; I was here at the Midnight Hour, that was 15 years ago...

The knowledge of ending the Dajjal you're not interested in, and you're meant to be on our side - God help us.

In my opinion.

Nope. More ad hominem.

There is no indication of a return of anyone in the Quran.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I believe I can envision that for those who don't even acknowledge Him or just pay no attention to Him but I think even the apostates know better than that.

As an apostate, I no longer acknowledge the existence of Yahweh/Jehovah. He has zero influence in my life, and there is nothing to pay attention to.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This isn't theological debate - we actually need to know these texts, we can't just post someone's ideas to show why our eternal life is validated by another person's understanding.

The contradictions in the case are put there by the Source of reality to show where people are immoral...

I was sent with some of this knowledge since birth to fix these issues before the Great Tribulation, so regardless if you believe it or not the things will happen, and people who don't examine the case will prove their lack of morality.

In my opinion.

It is the Prophets and Manifestations of God that have been sent down to fix things. Their truth is clear. They are the Ones Who have true knowledge.

 

[tayla]

What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

If we are to unify all religions, there is no unified description of this event. In fact, some religions don't even admit of such a possibility, since they reject the Christian teachings about Christ.

Therefore, there is no such event.

 

[wizanda]

It is the Prophets and Manifestations of God that have been sent down to fix things.

Baha'u'llah made it worse though, he has completely misunderstood the message of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, and agreed with the Pharisees John, Paul, and Simon.

Therefore by definition Baha'u'llah proves he can not be a prophet from the Bible, and Quran, as he gets their contexts all wrong.

Claiming to be a manifestation of God down near Hell isn't logical, God the Source (EL) of reality sends archangels (Elohim) down here; the Source is beyond form, therefore it doesn't manifest in one being, when the whole of reality is its Code (Word).

The scriptures contextually on Yeshua being the Chief Corner Stone like Psalms 118 make clear: we do not put our trust in the son of man or in kings, we put it only in the Source of reality.

I'm not sure how to appeal to you to reason logically, like I'm pleading for your soul, not your religious choice, as I get you thought you were coming to the conversation explaining Baha'u'llah as the second coming, as you keep returning to that focus...

Yet since your thread is on how the second coming takes place, the object of the conversation is Yeshua's message, and what does that entail from the Biblical contexts.

Thus Yeshua's message as a criteria of what the second coming must know, has made it that only someone who actually gets the Biblical prophecies as equations that exist in the texts, will relay it correctly.

In my opinion.

 

[Wandering Monk]

As regards the thread title:

The Second Coming of Christ will look like empty sky.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Baha'u'llah made it worse though, he has completely misunderstood the message of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, and agreed with the Pharisees John, Paul, and Simon.

Therefore by definition Baha'u'llah proves he can not be a prophet from the Bible, and Quran, as he gets their contexts all wrong.

Claiming to be a manifestation of God down near Hell isn't logical, God the Source (EL) of reality sends archangels (Elohim) down here; the Source is beyond form, therefore it doesn't manifest in one being, when the whole of reality is its Code (Word).

The scriptures contextually on Yeshua being the Chief Corner Stone like Psalms 118 make clear: we do not put our trust in the son of man or in kings, we put it only in the Source of reality.

I'm not sure how to appeal to you to reason logically, like I'm pleading for your soul, not your religious choice, as I get you thought you were coming to the conversation explaining Baha'u'llah as the second coming, as you keep returning to that focus...

Yet since your thread is on how the second coming takes place, the object of the conversation is Yeshua's message, and what does that entail from the Biblical contexts.

Thus Yeshua's message as a criteria of what the second coming must know, has made it that only someone who actually gets the Biblical prophecies as equations that exist in the texts, will relay it correctly.
In my opinion.

The second coming i believe is much like the first. Denial then opposition then worldwide acceptance. Just like the Jewish priests did not read the signs aright I believe that similarly Christians have misread the signs and missed His return.

The Jews today like Christians still await the messiah.He didn’t come the first time as expected so was crucified and also His return did not meet the expectations so He was imprisoned and exiled for 40 years. In time, just like with Christianity the world will accept the truth. So now it is denial to be followed by opposition then worldwide acceptance as it was with Christ’s first coming. That’s how I believe it looks like. It’s an unfolding process.

 

[loverofhumanity]

If we are to unify all religions, there is no unified description of this event. In fact, some religions don't even admit of such a possibility, since they reject the Christian teachings about Christ.

Therefore, there is no such event.

All religions prophesy a return or renewal not just Christianity. In fact they are all speaking about the same Great One to come. A major sect of Hinduism await Kalki Avatar Who will appear to destroy wickedness and renew religion, Buddha foretold Maitreya or AmitAbha depending on the sect, Jews await Messiah Ben David, Zoroastrians await Shah Bahram and Muslim’s await the Great Announcement. These are all the same Person. We believe that to be Baha’u’llah.

 

[wizanda]

That’s how I believe it looks like. It’s an unfolding process.

This is because of not studying the Bible prophecy to understand what was stated; the Messiah was meant to be rejected by the Leaders (Zechariah 11), and then the Leaders lie to the people until the 2nd coming (Zechariah 11:15-17 - Ezekiel 34).

Baha'i are assuming it is always this way, that people reject spiritual ambassadors for God; it is a purposeful test on humanity, where we have been put down near Hell, to see if anyone notices (Zechariah 5).

Those who recognize the darkness in these times, and switch the light on spiritually prove they're angelic; whereas many follow what is morally wrong, as they can't see in the dark without having their own inner light on.

This time is called Kali Yuga in Hinduism, and Kalki the rider on the white horse, brings the Fire that cleanses reality before Satya Yuga... Just the same happens in Revelation.

What is interesting is Baha'u'llah prophesied the one to come was before the Great Tribulation; yet he said one thousand years, when it was more like 100, as we only have 10 years left before the planet wipes us out - unless we fix it between us now.

But as you're saying people won't accept messengers whilst they're alive; so it was nice knowing everyone, and we can see why God has to make a new earth.

In my opinion.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This is because of not studying the Bible prophecy to understand what was stated; the Messiah was meant to be rejected by the Leaders (Zechariah 11), and then the Leaders lie to the people until the 2nd coming (Zechariah 11:15-17 - Ezekiel 34).

Baha'i are assuming it is always this way, that people reject spiritual ambassadors for God; it is a purposeful test on humanity, where we have been put down near Hell, to see if anyone notices (Zechariah 5).

Those who recognize the darkness in these times, and switch the light on spiritually prove they're angelic; whereas many follow what is morally wrong, as they can't see in the dark without having their own inner light on.

This time is called Kali Yuga in Hinduism, and Kalki the rider on the white horse, brings the Fire that cleanses reality before Satya Yuga... Just the same happens in Revelation.

What is interesting is Baha'u'llah prophesied the one to come was before the Great Tribulation; yet he said one thousand years, when it was more like 100, as we only have 10 years left before the planet wipes us out - unless we fix it between us now.

But as you're saying people won't accept messengers whilst they're alive; so it was nice knowing everyone, and we can see why God has to make a new earth.

In my opinion.

Yes it’s up to people to change their ways but if there’s a great calamity soon I don’t believe it will destroy humanity completely but it will have to be so devastating that it will force people to change for their own survival.

We had the world wars and tsunamis and all sorts of catastrophes but it still wasn’t enough so it’s going to have to be something really horrendous to bring about a transformation. We don’t know exactly what or when it will be but it’s closer than we think.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Yes it’s up to people to change their ways but if there’s a great calamity soon I don’t believe it will destroy humanity completely but it will have to be so devastating that it will force people to change for their own survival.

We had the world wars and tsunamis and all sorts of catastrophes but it still wasn’t enough so it’s going to have to be something really horrendous to bring about a transformation. We don’t know exactly what or when it will be but it’s closer than we think.

What kind of transformation are you talking about? Are you aware of the progress humanity has made in nearly every area for the last few hundred years?

 

[Spirit of Light]

What is interesting is Baha'u'llah prophesied the one to come was before the Great Tribulation; yet he said one thousand years, when it was more like 100, as we only have 10 years left before the planet wipes us out - unless we fix it between us now.



In my opinion.

No human being knows when the end time is here so that you predict it is 10 years to everything end is a false claim. And It is strange that you lie since you claim to be Messiah, The true Messiah would never tell lies