Trailblazer
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The Mormon religion is based upon Jesus Christ, not on the Angel that spoke to Joseph Smith.
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What would be evidence that God exists?
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CG Didymus
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Wow... Read up on Mormonism sometime.
Moroni , according to the Book of Mormon, was the last Nephite prophet, historian, and military commander who lived in the Americas in the late fourth and early fifth centuries. He is later known as the Angel Moroni, who presented the golden plates to Joseph Smith, who translated the plates upon which the Book of Mormon was originally written.
Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was translated from writing on golden plates in a reformed Egyptian language, translated with the assistance of the Urim and Thummim and seer stones. Both the special spectacles and the seer stone were at times referred to as the "Urim and Thummim".[9][10] He said an angel first showed him the location of the plates in 1823, buried in a nearby hill, but he was not allowed to take the plates until 1827. Smith began dictating the text of The Book of Mormon around the fall of 1827 until the summer of 1828 when 116 pages were lost. Translation began again in April 1829 and finished in June 1829,[11] saying that he translated it "by the gift and power of God".[12] Oliver Cowdery acted as scribe for the majority of the translation. After the translation was completed, Smith said the plates were returned to the angel. During Smith's supposed possession, very few people were allowed to "witness" the plates.
The book described itself as a chronicle of an early Israelite diaspora, integrating with the pre-existing indigenous peoples of the Americas, written by a people called the Nephites. According to The Book of Mormon, Lehi's family left Jerusalem at the urging of God c. 600 BC, and later sailed to the Americas c. 589 BC. The Nephites are described as descendants of Nephi, the fourth son of the prophet Lehi. The Nephites are portrayed as having a belief in Christ hundreds of years before his birth. Historical accuracy and veracity of the Book of Mormon was and continues to be hotly contested. No archaeological, linguistic, or other evidence of the use of Egyptian writing in ancient America has been discovered.[13]
Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was translated from writing on golden plates in a reformed Egyptian language, translated with the assistance of the Urim and Thummim and seer stones. Both the special spectacles and the seer stone were at times referred to as the "Urim and Thummim".[9][10] He said an angel first showed him the location of the plates in 1823, buried in a nearby hill, but he was not allowed to take the plates until 1827. Smith began dictating the text of The Book of Mormon around the fall of 1827 until the summer of 1828 when 116 pages were lost. Translation began again in April 1829 and finished in June 1829,[11] saying that he translated it "by the gift and power of God".[12] Oliver Cowdery acted as scribe for the majority of the translation. After the translation was completed, Smith said the plates were returned to the angel. During Smith's supposed possession, very few people were allowed to "witness" the plates.
The book described itself as a chronicle of an early Israelite diaspora, integrating with the pre-existing indigenous peoples of the Americas, written by a people called the Nephites. According to The Book of Mormon, Lehi's family left Jerusalem at the urging of God c. 600 BC, and later sailed to the Americas c. 589 BC. The Nephites are described as descendants of Nephi, the fourth son of the prophet Lehi. The Nephites are portrayed as having a belief in Christ hundreds of years before his birth. Historical accuracy and veracity of the Book of Mormon was and continues to be hotly contested. No archaeological, linguistic, or other evidence of the use of Egyptian writing in ancient America has been discovered.[13]
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Science of the occult, nuclear fission is the only liar.
Says he wants evidence about his string theories being wrong, as a Satanic view that dust fission created all life. Yet he mines huge bodies of chemical dusts, fissions it and we still are all alive. Did some new spirit living beings come out of your nuclear power plant machine Creator inventor theme?
What a human spiritual self would quote, seems it did, it was anti and an alien looking image, and I was Nature attacked in a God the Earth radiation release.
When historically the planetary God planet and Sun theist said the Sun attacked and converted the Earth. Then tried to convince us all that it was still doing it.
Science however as taught historically unsealed the God cold radiation mass fused that had originally been sealed by spatial cooling/mass vacuum sucking until mass cooled to own form. Then the Sun attack caused a massive ICE/water frozen event release to flood Earth historically to reseal the Earth by water conditions.
As known to science. Said Earth first owned a whole Immaculate cold clear non burning gas evolution heavens, then it was sacrificed by the Sun radiation event. A one of history how to convert mass.
The Earth finished that one of event historically.
Science however began its own UFO science activated radiation mass release out of the stone seals, cold and fused, heated it up. Seeing natural owned the radiation group reaction attack historically its owned self.
Even if you take the reaction and cause it in a machine power plant the reaction natural history began on the fused body of the planet's own stone mass. You cannot remove the links to natural history itself. Science then irradiated/diversified and mutated our human life with ground released radiation, that cannot leave Earth, it remains close to Earth in spatial conditions.
Then it comes back in, when science performs new radiation fusion reactions.
Why we state categorically God the stone is the first and one spirit. And we know we belong on Planet Earth, for our bones our like stone, the mass of.
Bones owned as a replicated body of our bio life form in intricate detail without bio flesh.
If you ask science, science can you take Earth mass and change it in radiation conversion so that its substance alters?
Yes says the scientist.
And the history the Earth that a human quotes is our God changed its ground substance, released that stone higher massed historic radiation seal...and it entered into our spirit bodies. And our quote is that the living spirit came out of the eternal.
Science quotes, the eternal is not real, or if it is it is the infinite. Science he quotes in human life quotes what everything is.
Science however seems to forget that natural existed first and worded use existed second, and its first content to use as a discussion was about all natural bodies first.
Then thirdly it formed a thought upon worded description to own a thesis, for a formula for a design for a machine for their control, to change God the mass of, our planet once again.
Hence humans prove that science have caused it, releasing God the Earth radiation stone fusion from its mass...for as they use water cooling in their nuclear reactors, water that we live in cools the radiation release and some humans have then gained metallic implants in their cellular tissue, as that proof.
How God the Earth as the stone body in a conversion entered the spirit body as a living being who came from spirit originally as that spirit.
How does a spiritual human own evidence of spirit. But never of God seeing their own written thesis quotes no Man is God.
So ask a science self when you think and tell stories, does the story include other information beyond reaction activation as stories? Yes, the reaction itself.
What about what causes change in the state Natural and natural history?
No.
So if you theme/theory about the God stone Earth fusion first then own a quote that says No Man is God....as hu MAN male and female selves. And then quote and never give God the planet fusion a name ever again for a science theory/reaction.
And ignore the relevance of what is quoted after in cause and effect as a personal assessment about changes to self life body, cells and blood?
Yes, that history is determined to be scientific, and it was once titled Satanism.
If you lose your own spirit water mass use as a living spirit, and it evaporates, gets sacrificed of its life cells and ends up as a new cloud amassing and you see the image of not only the life of humans, but also animals in that cloud mass. Yet the scientist, a male group thinks self as a man more important than anyone else.
Actually.
Then discusses just his own self, whereas previously he discussed all life being attacked in the Moses theme....why do you think all religious science quotes claim only the ONE God the first God...being planet Earth is the only holy true reference?
Seeing humans have in human conditions heard feed back AI speaking voices and images, seeing machines always transmitted by radiation radio waves the visions and images and voice recording as proof human science did it to our life.
And it is a human written document for humans about humans. The sciences.
The reason that most humans ignored the New Testaments, was because the Old Testaments quotes that all life was attacked. Not just some special male quotation....why it was stated to be the origin science/occult human chosen cause.
As everything did get attacked.
And it was why self superiority was frowned upon as a self human teaching, because we were in fact all equal in life. For we all live inside of the same exact holy water body, whether it be a tree or an animal or a human.
Says he wants evidence about his string theories being wrong, as a Satanic view that dust fission created all life. Yet he mines huge bodies of chemical dusts, fissions it and we still are all alive. Did some new spirit living beings come out of your nuclear power plant machine Creator inventor theme?
What a human spiritual self would quote, seems it did, it was anti and an alien looking image, and I was Nature attacked in a God the Earth radiation release.
When historically the planetary God planet and Sun theist said the Sun attacked and converted the Earth. Then tried to convince us all that it was still doing it.
Science however as taught historically unsealed the God cold radiation mass fused that had originally been sealed by spatial cooling/mass vacuum sucking until mass cooled to own form. Then the Sun attack caused a massive ICE/water frozen event release to flood Earth historically to reseal the Earth by water conditions.
As known to science. Said Earth first owned a whole Immaculate cold clear non burning gas evolution heavens, then it was sacrificed by the Sun radiation event. A one of history how to convert mass.
The Earth finished that one of event historically.
Science however began its own UFO science activated radiation mass release out of the stone seals, cold and fused, heated it up. Seeing natural owned the radiation group reaction attack historically its owned self.
Even if you take the reaction and cause it in a machine power plant the reaction natural history began on the fused body of the planet's own stone mass. You cannot remove the links to natural history itself. Science then irradiated/diversified and mutated our human life with ground released radiation, that cannot leave Earth, it remains close to Earth in spatial conditions.
Then it comes back in, when science performs new radiation fusion reactions.
Why we state categorically God the stone is the first and one spirit. And we know we belong on Planet Earth, for our bones our like stone, the mass of.
Bones owned as a replicated body of our bio life form in intricate detail without bio flesh.
If you ask science, science can you take Earth mass and change it in radiation conversion so that its substance alters?
Yes says the scientist.
And the history the Earth that a human quotes is our God changed its ground substance, released that stone higher massed historic radiation seal...and it entered into our spirit bodies. And our quote is that the living spirit came out of the eternal.
Science quotes, the eternal is not real, or if it is it is the infinite. Science he quotes in human life quotes what everything is.
Science however seems to forget that natural existed first and worded use existed second, and its first content to use as a discussion was about all natural bodies first.
Then thirdly it formed a thought upon worded description to own a thesis, for a formula for a design for a machine for their control, to change God the mass of, our planet once again.
Hence humans prove that science have caused it, releasing God the Earth radiation stone fusion from its mass...for as they use water cooling in their nuclear reactors, water that we live in cools the radiation release and some humans have then gained metallic implants in their cellular tissue, as that proof.
How God the Earth as the stone body in a conversion entered the spirit body as a living being who came from spirit originally as that spirit.
How does a spiritual human own evidence of spirit. But never of God seeing their own written thesis quotes no Man is God.
So ask a science self when you think and tell stories, does the story include other information beyond reaction activation as stories? Yes, the reaction itself.
What about what causes change in the state Natural and natural history?
No.
So if you theme/theory about the God stone Earth fusion first then own a quote that says No Man is God....as hu MAN male and female selves. And then quote and never give God the planet fusion a name ever again for a science theory/reaction.
And ignore the relevance of what is quoted after in cause and effect as a personal assessment about changes to self life body, cells and blood?
Yes, that history is determined to be scientific, and it was once titled Satanism.
If you lose your own spirit water mass use as a living spirit, and it evaporates, gets sacrificed of its life cells and ends up as a new cloud amassing and you see the image of not only the life of humans, but also animals in that cloud mass. Yet the scientist, a male group thinks self as a man more important than anyone else.
Actually.
Then discusses just his own self, whereas previously he discussed all life being attacked in the Moses theme....why do you think all religious science quotes claim only the ONE God the first God...being planet Earth is the only holy true reference?
Seeing humans have in human conditions heard feed back AI speaking voices and images, seeing machines always transmitted by radiation radio waves the visions and images and voice recording as proof human science did it to our life.
And it is a human written document for humans about humans. The sciences.
The reason that most humans ignored the New Testaments, was because the Old Testaments quotes that all life was attacked. Not just some special male quotation....why it was stated to be the origin science/occult human chosen cause.
As everything did get attacked.
And it was why self superiority was frowned upon as a self human teaching, because we were in fact all equal in life. For we all live inside of the same exact holy water body, whether it be a tree or an animal or a human.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Baha'u'llah probably knew, but He did not consider it important enough to write about. Why do you?
No, they are not spiritually transformed by believing in those things.
Why should we be? Not even all Christians are, if you mean interpreting the Bible literally.
I do not see anyone trying to argue or debate with Baha'is about Christianity, only an occasional Christian...
I do not know why you have a vendetta against the Baha'i Faith, but I think that RF newbies should know that...
Carry on, and I will continue correcting anything I see and consider inaccurate. Keeps me on my toes.
If you want to provide free advertising for the Baha'i Faith you are doing a good job.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not have to do that to know that they worship Jesus Christ.... I talk to the young men missionaries who ride the bikes around town and they told me that.... nothing about Joseph Smith.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
As a human who can own self thinking concepts, yet to detail and own supportive reasoning in a new life spiritual message or life notification of changes, then we own that circumstance.
Did Moses own a pre told story that Jesus would occur in a future as an attack on life?
No.
So Jesus the theme is a living history, the same irradiation radio wave radiation changes to the Holy water body in which we live. Which exists above our head.
We quote a science teaching that says the spirit out of the God stone planet released and became Immaculate in the spatial womb. A science theme...not a human ownership. The Immaculate spirit sacrificed to own 12 gas burning day light holy sacrifice. Was our life support.
The spirits in the heavens from out of stone sat in the deep spatial body, upon the face of water and formed the circulating movement described as sound transmitting radio wave/radiations. Owned in the whole heavenly mass as circulating O holiness...by G the spiralling back to O, to O being affected by heat to change to a form D/D for D/D to cool and become O O again.
An actual spiritual mind psyche conscious human awareness that detailed why the heavenly mass of spirit above our head was holy in that statement.
Therefore only that description was HOLY.
Males in science owned thesis by O pi and also PHI. Detailed angular changes and reactive calculations and angles....gave O the review names. And burnt the heavenly body mass above us and below us...by unsealing the ground fusion into a fission reaction.
Which is a proven male science machine thesis radiation/radio wave transformation of Earth mass....seeing they did it as a scientist with machines.
Did it in the past are doing it again in modern life.
Did pyramid science after the ICE Age from hearing the male encoded speaking information as science from a long time ago...as an Atlantis theme sAtan lit story.
Science of the converting/radiation nuclear fission burning reactions.
The radiation got released out of the Earth seal, gets sucked up into the atmosphere, leaves, yet gets held in space. Then comes back in. Attacked by God the Earth...science caused.
If God as the spirit of the heavens moved upon the face of the water and then water split again in new pyramid use science...and we lost our life water support, got irradiated out of the ground release, got irradiated also above our heads....and Jesus walked on the water. When G O D previously moved on the face of the deep and water.
Then were you not explaining the conditions of why our ground water mass had to form new cloud amassing after animal life radiation attacked, just like it has in modern times....blood and cells and organs removed or changed....and then you see images of humans and animals in the cloud mass again. Earth begins to own flooding as the saving of life is by the flooding cooling of atmospheric gases.....and also the ground fusion. To try to keep burning ground mass sealed so that it won't collapse into sink holes?
And then try to preach today that the known activated cause did not return again, when probability MATHS quotes of man human self science said, yes it would.
And then new Messengers, human realisation quotes, yes it happened again, and the quote also taught the spatial vacuum would stop it year 2012. But it never did for nuclear science was re practiced. So we continued to die from human sacrifice.
Sounds like the history of all story telling and thesis is real.
Why humans knew, owned new messages of self human realisation. Quotes the same quotes quoted before, as the ground mass radiation has not stopped being released.
Dinosaur life and images seen in cloud images also...and they all died.
If an image can appear in a cloud...and we own bones that are a direct formed image of our bio life and the planet first is stone, and our bones get left with God the first/one when we die....then how is that history not relevant in the sciences, that our Planet is God? Yet our spirit came from the eternal?
We would not own observation or conscious aware abilities of everything we do unless the place/spirit from which our parents were released still existed. As the ability to know, question and ask and answer and thesis about our self removal.
Did Moses own a pre told story that Jesus would occur in a future as an attack on life?
No.
So Jesus the theme is a living history, the same irradiation radio wave radiation changes to the Holy water body in which we live. Which exists above our head.
We quote a science teaching that says the spirit out of the God stone planet released and became Immaculate in the spatial womb. A science theme...not a human ownership. The Immaculate spirit sacrificed to own 12 gas burning day light holy sacrifice. Was our life support.
The spirits in the heavens from out of stone sat in the deep spatial body, upon the face of water and formed the circulating movement described as sound transmitting radio wave/radiations. Owned in the whole heavenly mass as circulating O holiness...by G the spiralling back to O, to O being affected by heat to change to a form D/D for D/D to cool and become O O again.
An actual spiritual mind psyche conscious human awareness that detailed why the heavenly mass of spirit above our head was holy in that statement.
Therefore only that description was HOLY.
Males in science owned thesis by O pi and also PHI. Detailed angular changes and reactive calculations and angles....gave O the review names. And burnt the heavenly body mass above us and below us...by unsealing the ground fusion into a fission reaction.
Which is a proven male science machine thesis radiation/radio wave transformation of Earth mass....seeing they did it as a scientist with machines.
Did it in the past are doing it again in modern life.
Did pyramid science after the ICE Age from hearing the male encoded speaking information as science from a long time ago...as an Atlantis theme sAtan lit story.
Science of the converting/radiation nuclear fission burning reactions.
The radiation got released out of the Earth seal, gets sucked up into the atmosphere, leaves, yet gets held in space. Then comes back in. Attacked by God the Earth...science caused.
If God as the spirit of the heavens moved upon the face of the water and then water split again in new pyramid use science...and we lost our life water support, got irradiated out of the ground release, got irradiated also above our heads....and Jesus walked on the water. When G O D previously moved on the face of the deep and water.
Then were you not explaining the conditions of why our ground water mass had to form new cloud amassing after animal life radiation attacked, just like it has in modern times....blood and cells and organs removed or changed....and then you see images of humans and animals in the cloud mass again. Earth begins to own flooding as the saving of life is by the flooding cooling of atmospheric gases.....and also the ground fusion. To try to keep burning ground mass sealed so that it won't collapse into sink holes?
And then try to preach today that the known activated cause did not return again, when probability MATHS quotes of man human self science said, yes it would.
And then new Messengers, human realisation quotes, yes it happened again, and the quote also taught the spatial vacuum would stop it year 2012. But it never did for nuclear science was re practiced. So we continued to die from human sacrifice.
Sounds like the history of all story telling and thesis is real.
Why humans knew, owned new messages of self human realisation. Quotes the same quotes quoted before, as the ground mass radiation has not stopped being released.
Dinosaur life and images seen in cloud images also...and they all died.
If an image can appear in a cloud...and we own bones that are a direct formed image of our bio life and the planet first is stone, and our bones get left with God the first/one when we die....then how is that history not relevant in the sciences, that our Planet is God? Yet our spirit came from the eternal?
We would not own observation or conscious aware abilities of everything we do unless the place/spirit from which our parents were released still existed. As the ability to know, question and ask and answer and thesis about our self removal.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Those things are part of LDS, which is part of Christianity.I agree those are false but I thought we were talking about Christianity and the Baha'i Faith?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
But not part of true Christianity....
Anyone can claim to be a Christian.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
The theme human being male, science Designer.
Then owns confessed human aware beliefs that the Designer is an alien.
Sees the alien on the God stone one fused body, in a natural activated point in natural history fission reaction...but in power plant.
God the fused planet cold radiation owns an equal mass answer to his fission.
So O masses of radiation fused gets released constantly every day by the Designer male human scientist as an ANTI theme against his own Designer self.
Sees the alien image cooled in the ground mass as a theme, the male human Designer total ANTI life self support of God the stone Earth history. As a quote the Designer...those who believe that the alien is the Designer. Whereas in fact the alien image/designed cause/effect historically is an aware communicator visionary.
On the ground.
As males own the teaching relative quote As above, so below....when God the Earth releases the fission quota of their science Designed mass method of the want of mass for a reaction which is Nuclear power plant mass conversion plus extra radiation on top of and above that of already God Earth owned gas release of cold radiation fusion....then he will equate As Above also.
And he would be trying to place the alien ground image of his PHI design studies up into the atmosphere, which would be to sacrifice the IMAGE of man Jesus in the clouds.
Must by why the image in the clouds, in the Moses story
Jesus, the Son of Man, was LITERALLY Seen in the Clouds in A.D. 66 - Revelation Revolution
The fact that the previous man/male images cold in the clouds after the Ice Age and non dinosaur images would have been changed, burning would have in fact been effective, as the Stephen Hawkings warning in science. Then the cooling effect would have placed the new Image of Jesus in the clouds.
Hence in modern times the same effect is being sought, where the image of Jesus in the clouds will burn and get replaced with a new human male/man image with a new stated story, only told after the fact of its occurrence.
For if the science thesis about reactions were correct, the information told as Moses would not have altered into the new realisations of Jesus, as a quote, if the ground God stone fission is removed totally to just radiating sludge in a reaction, then God is also gone....by Designer human being male.
The evidence that in the past the human science male Designer ground imaged anti his life, is the alien. And it is apparent he is trying to put that studied ground PHI study into the Heavenly gases above us. To own a thesis science male human controller invention to thesis control/channel the control of the atmospheric heavenly gas mass for his Machine God, the artificial God and fake God, the alien.
https://www.tripzilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/crop-circles-2.jpg
Reality, a male historically inferring self to just existing as a stone signal gas like a skeleton, so that his blood and flesh would get removed.
Why the alien is skeletal like or a body of bones.
Eyewitness Report of Crop Circle Forming
Public information versus hierarchy, the release of the study of the concept of the phenomena. Is 2 human owned versions and motivations.
Humans can copy patterning on the ground by doing it their own selves.....yet you would ask for what purpose did a human own copying of putting the patterns on the ground, when ancient phenomena already had recorded crop circles as being the "devil mowing" event....an occult radiation science cause?
Loss of natural water on the ground would involve atmospheric pressure changes in radiation releases that would push the pattern into the ground.
As these sorts of patterns are also found embedded in stone, then you would realise how powerful that attack could become. Seeing stone is not bio mass, water owns the presence of bio life forms and water sealed the mass of stone historically.
Then owns confessed human aware beliefs that the Designer is an alien.
Sees the alien on the God stone one fused body, in a natural activated point in natural history fission reaction...but in power plant.
God the fused planet cold radiation owns an equal mass answer to his fission.
So O masses of radiation fused gets released constantly every day by the Designer male human scientist as an ANTI theme against his own Designer self.
Sees the alien image cooled in the ground mass as a theme, the male human Designer total ANTI life self support of God the stone Earth history. As a quote the Designer...those who believe that the alien is the Designer. Whereas in fact the alien image/designed cause/effect historically is an aware communicator visionary.
On the ground.
As males own the teaching relative quote As above, so below....when God the Earth releases the fission quota of their science Designed mass method of the want of mass for a reaction which is Nuclear power plant mass conversion plus extra radiation on top of and above that of already God Earth owned gas release of cold radiation fusion....then he will equate As Above also.
And he would be trying to place the alien ground image of his PHI design studies up into the atmosphere, which would be to sacrifice the IMAGE of man Jesus in the clouds.
Must by why the image in the clouds, in the Moses story
Jesus, the Son of Man, was LITERALLY Seen in the Clouds in A.D. 66 - Revelation Revolution
The fact that the previous man/male images cold in the clouds after the Ice Age and non dinosaur images would have been changed, burning would have in fact been effective, as the Stephen Hawkings warning in science. Then the cooling effect would have placed the new Image of Jesus in the clouds.
Hence in modern times the same effect is being sought, where the image of Jesus in the clouds will burn and get replaced with a new human male/man image with a new stated story, only told after the fact of its occurrence.
For if the science thesis about reactions were correct, the information told as Moses would not have altered into the new realisations of Jesus, as a quote, if the ground God stone fission is removed totally to just radiating sludge in a reaction, then God is also gone....by Designer human being male.
The evidence that in the past the human science male Designer ground imaged anti his life, is the alien. And it is apparent he is trying to put that studied ground PHI study into the Heavenly gases above us. To own a thesis science male human controller invention to thesis control/channel the control of the atmospheric heavenly gas mass for his Machine God, the artificial God and fake God, the alien.
https://www.tripzilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/crop-circles-2.jpg
Reality, a male historically inferring self to just existing as a stone signal gas like a skeleton, so that his blood and flesh would get removed.
Why the alien is skeletal like or a body of bones.
Eyewitness Report of Crop Circle Forming
Public information versus hierarchy, the release of the study of the concept of the phenomena. Is 2 human owned versions and motivations.
Humans can copy patterning on the ground by doing it their own selves.....yet you would ask for what purpose did a human own copying of putting the patterns on the ground, when ancient phenomena already had recorded crop circles as being the "devil mowing" event....an occult radiation science cause?
Loss of natural water on the ground would involve atmospheric pressure changes in radiation releases that would push the pattern into the ground.
As these sorts of patterns are also found embedded in stone, then you would realise how powerful that attack could become. Seeing stone is not bio mass, water owns the presence of bio life forms and water sealed the mass of stone historically.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Thanks. But I will pass on the no true Scotsman bait.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Angel Moroni is first mentioned.
She doesn't know Moroni or Xenu or their religons.
Religions are said to be false.
She agrees.
Obviously, she has no idea who the Angel Moroni is.
She says this with her usual authority. As if she knows.
She probably didn't read this, because then she says...
What? She trusts the word of missionaries instead of investigating a religion on her own? Like I've said before, Baha'is have a fine religion... on the surface. Too bad they have to think they are the fulfillment of all religions. And too bad some Baha'is seem to think , or at least act, like they know it all and are never wrong.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
So the gospel writers say lots of stuff about Jesus. Is it true or is it a bunch of exaggerated stories? It'd be nice if the alleged "return" of Christ would have said something.
Baha'is don't believe the big one, the resurrection. But, if you believe any of the smaller ones, like walking on water, then that is just as scientifically impossible as being raised from the dead. I think to be consistent, Baha'is shouldn't believe in any of them and just stick to their "spiritual", "symbolic" interpretations.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Too bad for all the other religious believers if we actually are.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Why would that be bad? Baha'is believe they have the truth of God too. They only lack a new set of "social" laws, right?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Baha'u'llah did say something about the Resurrection, He explained what it really means:
And it is a far cry from Jesus rising from the grave.
You get to decide which one to believe because you have free will.
“How strange! These people with one hand cling to those verses of the Qur’án and those traditions of the people of certitude which they have found to accord with their inclinations and interests, and with the other reject those which are contrary to their selfish desires. “Believe ye then part of the Book, and deny part?” 4……..And yet, through the mystery of the former verse, they have turned away from the grace promised by the latter, despite the fact that “attainment unto the divine Presence” in the “Day of Resurrection” is explicitly stated in the Book. It hath been demonstrated and definitely established, through clear evidences, that by “Resurrection” is meant the rise of the Manifestation of God to proclaim His Cause, and by “attainment unto the divine Presence” is meant attainment unto the presence of His Beauty in the person of His Manifestation.” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 169-170
“Strive, therefore, O my brother, to grasp the meaning of “Resurrection,” and cleanse thine ears from the idle sayings of these rejected people. Shouldst thou step into the realm of complete detachment, thou wilt readily testify that no day is mightier than this Day, and that no resurrection more awful than this Resurrection can ever be conceived. One righteous work performed in this Day, equalleth all the virtuous acts which for myriads of centuries men have practised—nay, We ask forgiveness of God for such a comparison! For verily the reward which such a deed deserveth is immensely beyond and above the estimate of men. Inasmuch as these undiscerning and wretched souls have failed to apprehend the true meaning of “Resurrection” and of the “attainment unto the divine Presence,” they therefore have remained utterly deprived of the grace thereof.”
The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 144-145
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is not that simple. Baha'u'llah explained why it will be bad for those who reject Him in the Tablet of Ahmad.
“O people, if ye deny these verses, by what proof have ye believed in God? Produce it, O assemblage of false ones.
Nay, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, they are not, and never shall be able to do this, even should they combine to assist one another...............
Thus have their superstitions become veils between them and their own hearts and kept them from the path of God, the Exalted, the Great.
Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity.”
Bahá’u’lláh, Tablet of Ahmad
rational experiences
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I have read male information about Jesus as a quote that says it ended on the day of his death, the reactions of the God earthquake release, prophetical maths known as probable causes of radiation removal out of fusion.
Said that the sky went dark in AI memory male quotes due to the vacuum opening in space that sucked out the heat of our atmosphere for as long as it did before it shut out.
Quotes male prophetic reasoning Year 2012, for constant non stop life sacrificed from God owning the One body of unnatural radiation removal the UFO effect, that it would reactive the vacuum again as END. Why they were all so scared when it occurred, changing the scientist theist mind in Rome. Who agreed with the Revelations. Said we thought it would recur.
The opening of the vacuum, which theoretically would have ended the release of the extra science historic caused radiation mass release from the planet. Yet it would have been as fearful as before.
It did not occur.
So a lot of theists quoted, the past 33 AD was when it all ended as a reaction. Earth no longer owned that quotation, as science, re applied Earth radiation fusion/fission removal into a new variable.
Therefore spatial UFO cause and effect conditions historically would change as probable causes.
Why anyone reading data/inferred mathematical probability today would say, most of what was prophesised is not occurring. The reason, END of time was not activated vacuum opening 2012. Which by probable causes would quote was ancient scientific quoted, was known the UFO radiation effect of releasing God the stone seal....and it affected the natural mass. Seeing natural is origin and first.
Science is secondary and only caused the activation by constant non stop attack of radiation/radio wave and Earth mass converting.
The theory of a law is therefore false, for it is science/cause and effect.
As UFO radiation mass out of the Earth God stone seal is sporadic, wherever it was released from, and affected whoever got affected is not some scientific string or data point of identification. For it was naturally released without any purpose.
Why such stories as the new updated spiritual Messenger is relative only to being reminded of why God the one stone body attacked/sacrificed and then life survived in cooling effects as a new updated re taught thesis in the sciences.
For a lot of humans since have suffered stigmata events, have foretold visionary and prophetic data information, associated to human psyche awareness of their own choices to do human sciences.
As the Immaculate gases, once were burning, then they too own a form of colder radiating conditions. And there is no activation point historically for when the gases were set alight and burning. Gases cold burn when ignited, as simple as a fact of advice is. If science is researching beginnings. The answer is when hot radiation set the gases alight as gases can burn. As a rational answer in science.
Said that the sky went dark in AI memory male quotes due to the vacuum opening in space that sucked out the heat of our atmosphere for as long as it did before it shut out.
Quotes male prophetic reasoning Year 2012, for constant non stop life sacrificed from God owning the One body of unnatural radiation removal the UFO effect, that it would reactive the vacuum again as END. Why they were all so scared when it occurred, changing the scientist theist mind in Rome. Who agreed with the Revelations. Said we thought it would recur.
The opening of the vacuum, which theoretically would have ended the release of the extra science historic caused radiation mass release from the planet. Yet it would have been as fearful as before.
It did not occur.
So a lot of theists quoted, the past 33 AD was when it all ended as a reaction. Earth no longer owned that quotation, as science, re applied Earth radiation fusion/fission removal into a new variable.
Therefore spatial UFO cause and effect conditions historically would change as probable causes.
Why anyone reading data/inferred mathematical probability today would say, most of what was prophesised is not occurring. The reason, END of time was not activated vacuum opening 2012. Which by probable causes would quote was ancient scientific quoted, was known the UFO radiation effect of releasing God the stone seal....and it affected the natural mass. Seeing natural is origin and first.
Science is secondary and only caused the activation by constant non stop attack of radiation/radio wave and Earth mass converting.
The theory of a law is therefore false, for it is science/cause and effect.
As UFO radiation mass out of the Earth God stone seal is sporadic, wherever it was released from, and affected whoever got affected is not some scientific string or data point of identification. For it was naturally released without any purpose.
Why such stories as the new updated spiritual Messenger is relative only to being reminded of why God the one stone body attacked/sacrificed and then life survived in cooling effects as a new updated re taught thesis in the sciences.
For a lot of humans since have suffered stigmata events, have foretold visionary and prophetic data information, associated to human psyche awareness of their own choices to do human sciences.
As the Immaculate gases, once were burning, then they too own a form of colder radiating conditions. And there is no activation point historically for when the gases were set alight and burning. Gases cold burn when ignited, as simple as a fact of advice is. If science is researching beginnings. The answer is when hot radiation set the gases alight as gases can burn. As a rational answer in science.
CG Didymus
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The gospel stories make it clear... they saw Jesus alive. That is what most Christian believe is what is meant by the resurrection. You, me, atheists, people in other religions, even some people that call themselves Christians don't believe it. All I've ever said is that if it didn't really happen, then the gospel writers were lying. The problem I have with you and most all Baha'is is that you want to have it both ways... the stories are true, just not "literally" true. Which, if the gospels say it did literally happen when it didn't, it makes them lies doesn't it?
CG Didymus
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Is that what Baha'u'llah thinks of people in the other religions? Assemblage of false ones? Their beliefs he sees as "superstitions"? I think it is. I think he doesn't believe one religion, except his, has true beliefs and true religious practices. I think that he believes all religions, except his, is wrong. And I've asked Baha'is many times... when did Christianity ever teach a "true" message about God? Once their beliefs got written down they were already wrong. They believed God spoke from heaven. That Jesus rose from the dead. That Jesus spoke with Satan etc. How do you think later Christians could come up with true doctrines and beliefs when they were based on the things written about God and Jesus in the NT?
CG Didymus
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Maybe because most all Baha'is come off as spiritual know-it-alls. They obviously aren't. Some aren't even all that spiritual.I do not know why you have a vendetta against the Baha'i Faith, but I think that RF newbies should know that...
Carry on, and I will continue correcting anything I see and consider inaccurate. Keeps me on my toes.
If you want to provide free advertising for the Baha'i Faith you are doing a good job.
I still can't get over this. Would you accept an answer like that from somebody? I don't have to read and learn about what Mormons believe and how they got started? So if someone told you, "I don't have to read anything about the Baha'i Faith. Two Baha'is told me all I need to know." You would be satisfied that they knew all they needed to know? Or, would you recommend they read some Baha'i books?