whats your beef with brexit?

[oldbadger]

Probably a lot larger percentage of them than those people who hark on about British Values but constantly prove that they don't know what they are.

Yep!
Absolutely!

 

[oldbadger]

15 or 20 years time the eu won't be a thing so campaign away.

I reckon that you're right.
By getting clear now we are definitely avoiding the collapse of the EU.
It might happen more quickly than 15-20 years.

 

[oldbadger]

One huge retrograde step that will be.

A sad event, but it surely must come.
The UK doesn't need to be anywhere near that collapse when it comes.

 

[England my lionheart]

I reckon that you're right.
By getting clear now we are definitely avoiding the collapse of the EU.
It might happen more quickly than 15-20 years.

Yes I was being generous but also pointing out how long it took to even get a referendum

 

[England my lionheart]

One huge retrograde step that will be.

We'll see, personally I think it's a positive thing.

 

[oldbadger]

Yes I was being generous but also pointing out how long it took to even get a referendum

Cool.......
We've recently been debating about Brit Values, as you know.

I reckon that one of our most important values is our current indentity as Brit People in a cosmopolitan country, and certainly not Europeans. We are securing our Brit Identity and Values with Brexit alongside all the other benefits.

I could bet you that nobody in my street could tell you the name of any one EU Leader, nor would anybody think of 'Brussels' as our centre of rule. Nobody here would describe our country as any kinbd of State in any kind of Federation.

Brexit is not just about maths, finances, legislation, trade and rule, it's about British People and their values, identity, emotions and needs.

Those are values that beat the hell out of any clever arguments about staying in the EU. I cannot wait to know for sure that we are clear...............

 

[England my lionheart]

Cool.......
We've recently been debating about Brit Values, as you know.

I reckon that one of our most important values is our current indentity as Brit People in a cosmopolitan country, and certainly not Europeans. We are securing our Brit Identity and Values with Brexit alongside all the other benefits.

I could bet you that nobody in my street could tell you the name of any one EU Leader, nor would anybody think of 'Brussels' as our centre of rule. Nobody here would describe our country as any kinbd of State in any kind of Federation.

Brexit is not just about maths, finances, legislation, trade and rule, it's about British People and their values, identity, emotions and needs.

Those are values that beat the hell out of any clever arguments about staying in the EU. I cannot wait to know for sure that we are clear...............

Personally i think it was about the people who live in places like Sunderland who have lost the industries that fed them, the north south divide is getting wider in financial terms and our focus is on an organisation comprised of long winded doughnuts who have never heard of Sunderland or care, let's focus on our own house first.

 

[Srivijaya]

Personally i think it was about the people who live in places like Sunderland who have lost the industries that fed them, the north south divide is getting wider in financial terms and our focus is on an organisation comprised of long winded doughnuts who have never heard of Sunderland or care, let's focus on our own house first.

Dude, people in London don't give one for anything north of Watford. The EU grants which have gone into infrastructure and other projects in deprived areas of the UK will be replaced with... ???

The north south split has nothing to do with the EU. The govt. have had to bribe Nissan to keep jobs in Sunderland. One thing you can be sure of; if Brexit is a success or a failure, the north will still be bottom of the pile. Northerners will still be depicted as second-rate benefits scroungers whose votes don't count.

Nothing to do with the EU - far more to do with the EU-hating right wing press who write the Tories manifesto for them.

 

[oldbadger]

Personally i think it was about the people who live in places like Sunderland who have lost the industries that fed them, the north south divide is getting wider in financial terms and our focus is on an organisation comprised of long winded doughnuts who have never heard of Sunderland or care, let's focus on our own house first.

Sunderland........... Beautiful county. Beautiful city in Durham. From my infancy It reminds me of mining, shipbuilding, fishing, farming............. and they played rugby.

A neighbour of mine is looking to buy a small property in or around Durham.

Every county has it's joys and supporters (even Brum! ). The North-South Divide may be crumbling, what with the minimum wage, gradual flotation of house prices. When we get out and clear of the EU I reckon that all counties will have a good chance of pragression.

I'd move to Durham if I needed to, no probs, but my wife loves Kent.

 

[Notanumber]

Probably a lot larger percentage of them than those people who hark on about British Values but constantly prove that they don't know what they are.

I reckon they would be more in favour of Sharia Law than British law or EU law if it comes to that.

 

[Altfish]

Personally i think it was about the people who live in places like Sunderland who have lost the industries that fed them, the north south divide is getting wider in financial terms and our focus is on an organisation comprised of long winded doughnuts who have never heard of Sunderland or care, let's focus on our own house first.

I fear you are very wrong; the north side divide (and I'm a northerner) will get wider. Most of the EU grants currently go to the deprived areas of the UK; Cornwall, Wales, the North of England and the likes.
It wasn't Europe that shut down the Coal Mines and the Steelworks, look to the government in London.
Look at transport infrastructure spending, by far the majority is in London and the south east. As an example, Manchester desperately needs extra platforms at Piccadilly and longer platforms at Oxford Road - it is now 'being reviewed'. Electrification of the Transpennine route cancelled, we now will have bi-mode trains. Meanwhile Crossrail 1 nears completion, and Crossrail 2 is being promoted. We are now awaiting 25-year old hand me down trains from other areas to replace our 35-year old Pacers.

I look round infrastructure developments in Manchester and many of them had EU funding on the boards. I doubt Westminster will be as generous.

 

[oldbadger]

Dude, people in London don't give one for anything north of Watford. The EU grants which have gone into infrastructure and other projects in deprived areas of the UK will be replaced with... ???

The north south split has nothing to do with the EU. The govt. have had to bribe Nissan to keep jobs in Sunderland. One thing you can be sure of; if Brexit is a success or a failure, the north will still be bottom of the pile. Northerners will still be depicted as second-rate benefits scroungers whose votes don't count.

Nothing to do with the EU - far more to do with the EU-hating right wing press who write the Tories manifesto for them.

I don't think that the North has relied upon the EU for it's progression. After Brexit there will be new opportunities all round, and there are many reasons why commerce, industrial, Retail Distribution centres, IT sales warehouses, etc will want to go North........ it doesn't make much difference where they are logistically, but the costs will be much lower.

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[Altfish]

I don't think that the North has relied upon the EU for it's progression. After Brexit there will be new opportunities all round, and there are many reasons why commerce, industrial, Retail Distribution centres, IT sales warehouses, etc will want to go North........ it doesn't make much difference where they are logistically, but the costs will be much lower.

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Well I am glad you are so confident. Those great northern ports like Newcastle, Aberdeen
Immingham/Hull are all facing ...err...Europe. Even Felixstowe will suffer.
Those jobs you promise Retail distribution centres, warehouses, IT sales - they may go north, but they are hardly well paid jobs. Anyway, from where I sit there are already plenty of those sort of jobs (we forgot call centres) in the north. And that's whilst we're in the EU.

 

[Altfish]

I reckon they would be more in favour of Sharia Law than British law or EU law if it comes to that.

Give it a rest will you. Tell us, how has Sharia Law ever affected you?
I know I've heard rumours of it (Mainly in the Mail) and a few examples, mainly to do with Islamic marital courts BUT where has it been implemented in the UK that's affected you?

 

[Notanumber]

Give it a rest will you. Tell us, how has Sharia Law ever affected you?
I know I've heard rumours of it (Mainly in the Mail) and a few examples, mainly to do with Islamic marital courts BUT where has it been implemented in the UK that's affected you?

I will give it a rest when I am good and ready and not before. As long as I have a voice, I will use it. The way things are going you might get your wish soon enough.

Have I ever told you to shut up?

If I don’t like what you say, I will either ignore it or comment on it but I won’t ever tell you to give it a rest.

If you don’t like what I say use the ignore button. That is what it is there for don’t you know.

It is not all about me. I am concerned for the rights of others as well. Such as women living in Islamic communities that do not have the same rights as other women in the same country. I object to there being two very different legal systems operating on one country. We used to call it the law of the land and that is how it should remain. Everyone should be equal under the law.

I do not expect my local Anglican church to adjudicate on my civil liberties that would contravene English law so why should Mosques be allowed to.

A law based on what happened in the dark ages has no place in a modern society.

A Civil Divorce is not a valid Islamic Divorce - Haitham Al-Haddad

“And never will Allah grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.”

 

[Srivijaya]

I don't think that the North has relied upon the EU for it's progression.

The north has not progressed. I can tell you don't live up here any more. We were slammed after 2008 and have not recovered. Many jobs we still have were created thanks to our membership of the EU. But never mind, the govt. are more concerned with their pals in the City losing out.

 

[oldbadger]

Well I am glad you are so confident. Those great northern ports like Newcastle, Aberdeen
Immingham/Hull are all facing ...err...Europe. Even Felixstowe will suffer.
Those jobs you promise Retail distribution centres, warehouses, IT sales - they may go north, but they are hardly well paid jobs. Anyway, from where I sit there are already plenty of those sort of jobs (we forgot call centres) in the north. And that's whilst we're in the EU.

I don't think that our Eastern Ports will suffer.
Our imports and exports will carry on, regardless, and the Great European Port (Rotterdam) will still be receiving for and sending on to us.

And our fishing industry may (at last) have a chance to progress. Those foreign boats sure are taking the mickey.

Truth is, I don't think any of us can be smugly confident, but we can look back to the nonsenses and costs of the EU.

One member wrote on this thread that the UK National Debt stands at nearly two thousand billion pounds. So the EU membership doesn't seem to have been quite so wonderful.

 

[Altfish]

I will give it a rest when I am good and ready and not before. As long as I have a voice, I will use it. The way things are going you might get your wish soon enough.

Have I ever told you to shut up?

If I don’t like what you say, I will either ignore it or comment on it but I won’t ever tell you to give it a rest.

If you don’t like what I say use the ignore button. That is what it is there for don’t you know.

It is not all about me. I am concerned for the rights of others as well. Such as women living in Islamic communities that do not have the same rights as other women in the same country. I object to there being two very different legal systems operating on one country. We used to call it the law of the land and that is how it should remain. Everyone should be equal under the law.

I do not expect my local Anglican church to adjudicate on my civil liberties that would contravene English law so why should Mosques be allowed to.

A law based on what happened in the dark ages has no place in a modern society.

A Civil Divorce is not a valid Islamic Divorce - Haitham Al-Haddad

“And never will Allah grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.”

Wow...you do reply to requests!!!!
But not when people ask you to define British Values.

So you haven't been effected, but you are concerned about Muslim women, and no examples of you being affected.

We still only have one law of the land (well more really as Scotland has different laws) - but everyone is equal under the law. Show me a case where the British courts have been subservient to Sharia Law.
Perhaps you should rail about the police who are not prosecuting all these cases of Sharia Law; you seem to know all about them, why not contact your local bobby and ask him to investigate?

btw The Anglian Church has 20 Bishops in the House of Lords so the church is already adjudicating on your civil liberties.

 

[oldbadger]

The north has not progressed. I can tell you don't live up here any more. We were slammed after 2008 and have not recovered. Many jobs we still have were created thanks to our membership of the EU. But never mind, the govt. are more concerned with their pals in the City losing out.

I'm sorry to hear that.
Let's see how things progress for the North once we're clear of Europe.
A Labour Government might make a huge difference, everywhere?

I can see how the City is the blue eyes of all, but then, without it our turnover would crash and burn. It's time for legislation to adjust money flow.

Can Kent have a bit? East Kent is seriously run down.

 

[Altfish]

I don't think that our Eastern Ports will suffer.
Our imports and exports will carry on, regardless, and the Great European Port (Rotterdam) will still be receiving for and sending on to us.

And our fishing industry may (at last) have a chance to progress. Those foreign boats sure are taking the mickey.

Truth is, I don't think any of us can be smugly confident, but we can look back to the nonsenses and costs of the EU.

One member wrote on this thread that the UK National Debt stands at nearly two thousand billion pounds. So the EU membership doesn't seem to have been quite so wonderful.

But if we're not trading with Europe as much....

How will our fishing industry have a chance? There is nothing stopping our boats fishing now. We only control a 12-mile band around the coast (IIRC) Another cod war?

I still see absolutely no evidence of money from the EU coming back to us to spend on 'nice' things. Any saving s from the EU will need to be spent on all the agencies that we currently share with Europe or don't need because of Europe. We are securing our borders, that costs money. We need to do trade deals, so need more civil servants (London based!) that costs money. You want to improve our fisheries, that will need monitoring/patrolling, that costs money.
I could go on, but we will not be financially better off when we are out.

There is a lot wrong with the EU, a lot I don't like or agree with. But when our ministers are scrambling round the world (That costs money) trying to do deals with despot nations, all of a sudden trade with Holland looks very attractive.