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whats your beef with brexit?

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
It is quite striking how the Brexit rhetoric has changed since the vote.

It used to be ... £350m a week for NHS; get our sovereignty back, we'll all be better off; scrap all these laws we don't like; it'll be soon all sorted; the EU needs us more than we need the EU

Now it is... well the £350m was never serious; we're handing our sovereignty to unpaid civil servants and judges who are too radical; we'll transfer all EU laws into ours; No deal is better than a bad deal (so much for it won't take long); We won't be too much worse off, food shortages won't be too bad; Northern Ireland errr, oh we forgot about that.

People seem to think it's just Britain that's peed of with the eu but in reality a lot of Europe is too, I've just spent a month in France and there's anti eu sentiment there too but for France there's not much choice because they are trapped in the euro.

Yes there's been bull**** from both sides but that's from politicians but nobody listens to what the people say, for example, the people on a minimum wage or unemployed the eu is of no benefit to them at all.

The eu is a big lumbering dinosaur in need of massive reforms but as long as you have the likes of Mrs mopp Merkel junker and Co it will never happen or happen fast enough and the only ones making brexit hard is the eu.

Really and although we've paid a lot of money into the eu we've never really been a full member and thankfully not in the disaster that is the euro, we are a democracy whereas the eu isn't and that alone is enough reason to leave and probably the best medicine to give the eu a kick up the arse it needs.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
I've just spent a month in France and there's anti eu sentiment there too

Wow that is the case for every single EU member.
Whether these views are the majority is kinda important and what kind of groups these views hold.


but for France there's not much choice because they are trapped in the euro.

Funny considering the Euro was France's idea in the first place.


The eu is a big lumbering dinosaur in need of massive reforms but as long as you have the likes of Mrs mopp Merkel junker and Co it will never happen or happen fast enough and the only ones making brexit hard is the eu.

Not a single Brexiter has ever explained why the EU should bend over and just let it be manhandled by the UK.


we are a democracy whereas the eu isn't

> FPTP
> Democracy



the best medicine to give the eu a kick up the arse it needs.

> WE WILL FINISH THE EU OFF, LONG LIVE BRITAIN
> WHY IS THE EU NOT FRIENDLY TO US????????
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
> WE WILL FINISH THE EU OFF, LONG LIVE BRITAIN
> WHY IS THE EU NOT FRIENDLY TO US????????

Yeah...dear, Italy will ask for radical reforms. This EU must change radically....and the entire Slavic world is on our side.

To begin with, the European Commission doesn't need to exist...
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Oh no it is mighty Italy. The country that would cease to exist without money from the EU.

We are all doomed!
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Oh no it is mighty Italy. The country that would cease to exist without money from the EU.

We are all doomed!

It turns out we give more money than we get

..meanwhile the technocratic mafia of Brussels is on the verge of committing suicide because Britain is leaving
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
People seem to think it's just Britain that's peed of with the eu but in reality a lot of Europe is too, I've just spent a month in France and there's anti eu sentiment there too but for France there's not much choice because they are trapped in the euro.

Yes there's been bull**** from both sides but that's from politicians but nobody listens to what the people say, for example, the people on a minimum wage or unemployed the eu is of no benefit to them at all.

The eu is a big lumbering dinosaur in need of massive reforms but as long as you have the likes of Mrs mopp Merkel junker and Co it will never happen or happen fast enough and the only ones making brexit hard is the eu.

Really and although we've paid a lot of money into the eu we've never really been a full member and thankfully not in the disaster that is the euro, we are a democracy whereas the eu isn't and that alone is enough reason to leave and probably the best medicine to give the eu a kick up the arse it needs.
Agree with most of that...but we are still better off inside it.

I could easily run up a list of all the wrongs with the UK's democratic system. I could talk about Sir Jeremy Heywood KCB CVO; the unelected head of our Civil Service.

The EU is more of a democracy than the UK is. At least in the EU we have proportional representation. When I vote in the UK because of our first past the post system it is a waste of time, because if they put a blue rosette on a donkey it would win. So my vote is useless.

Can you remind me about what Gove said, when are Turkey joining the EU?

And it was Remain who were Project Fear - I think not.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Wow that is the case for every single EU member.
Whether these views are the majority is kinda important and what kind of groups these views hold.

Of course a majority counts but its obvious that the anti eu sentiment is growing even in France and unfortunately the right wing has jumped on that pony.

Funny considering the Euro was France's idea in the first place.

Yep and what a great idea it was huh.

Not a single Brexiter has ever explained why the EU should bend over and just let it be manhandled by the UK.

Nobody is asking for that,the same could be said for the eu and why they are being so harsh on us leaving.


> FPTP
> Democracy





> WE WILL FINISH THE EU OFF, LONG LIVE BRITAIN
> WHY IS THE EU NOT FRIENDLY TO US????????

No need, it's doing that hands free, I actually hope not but reforms must come for that, the commission needs to go first and ASAP.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Agree with most of that...but we are still better off inside it.

I could easily run up a list of all the wrongs with the UK's democratic system. I could talk about Sir Jeremy Heywood KCB CVO; the unelected head of our Civil Service.

The EU is more of a democracy than the UK is. At least in the EU we have proportional representation. When I vote in the UK because of our first past the post system it is a waste of time, because if they put a blue rosette on a donkey it would win. So my vote is useless.

Can you remind me about what Gove said, when are Turkey joining the EU?

And it was Remain who were Project Fear - I think not.

I have no love for our politicians, there's not a single one I trust and I agree the blue rosette has been stuck on a donkey more than a few times.

That being said I trust Merkel macron junker and Co even less and what made my mind up a long time ago after spending a week watching the eu at work, I use that term very lightly but I enjoyed watching representative's from each state get up and ***** their stuff and Mr speaker telling them their times up.

For me that epitomises the EU, its big with lots of questions but few answers and that's because it hasn't got a centre that's accountable, it's just a mish mash of bureaucratic nonsense Imo.

As for Turkey I really don't care but if they ever did good luck with that.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
It turns out we give more money than we get

You know with that logic Northern Italy could just secede from Italy. After all the North pays more than the South.

That idiocy can then continue further until you are left with city states.

I know I am asking a futile question but have you ever wondered what Italy gets from being in the EU?
Perhaps a country that has had 65 governments during the last 72 years shouldn't try to act tough.


..meanwhile the technocratic mafia of Brussels is on the verge of committing suicide because Britain is leaving

Source or just your general "ITS HAPPENING"-feeling?



No need, it's doing that hands free, I actually hope not but reforms must come for that, the commission needs to go first and ASAP.

I don't even know what exactly you are answering.



Can you remind me about what Gove said, when are Turkey joining the EU?
As for Turkey I really don't care but if they ever did good luck with that.

The only country in the EU that wanted Turkey to join was the UK. And it wanted that to destabilise the continent and keep it from acting more united. The single most horrible occurrence for the UK.

And since the UK is out of the game Turkey will never ever join the EU.
Baruch Hashem
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You know with that logic Northern Italy could just secede from Italy. After all the North pays more than the South.

That idiocy can then continue further until you are left with city states.

I know I am asking a futile question but have you ever wondered what Italy gets from being in the EU?

I understand you're slightly disappointed in your Nationalist leaders. FPÖ is in charge in Austria...the Lega is in charge in Italy, Orbàn in Hungary
...that's a great victory for us Souverainists
Perhaps a country that has had 65 governments during the last 72 years shouldn't try to act tough.

What is that? A threat? It's the leftist governments, financed by Soros and bankers
But Soros will be put in his place soon

Btw...My people is fiercely angry with the EU...it's the EU that should be careful

Source or just your general "ITS HAPPENING"-feeling?

Juncker has been whining like a child (when he's sober) for 3 years
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
The only country in the EU that wanted Turkey to join was the UK. And it wanted that to destabilise the continent and keep it from acting more united. The single most horrible occurrence for the UK.

And since the UK is out of the game Turkey will never ever join the EU.
The UK only wanted Turkey on strict conditions, e.g. a free press - The UK knew that was unlikely to happen, so it was only Gove & Johnson and the Tory press running scare stories, that were total lies. Like the £350m for the NHS
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
I understand you're slightly disappointed in your Nationalist leaders. FPÖ is in charge in Austria...the Lega is in charge in Italy, Orbàn in Hungary
...that's a great victory for us Souverainists

Nice rambling without having to answer a simple question.


What is that? A threat?

No one needs to threaten Italy, it will continue being unstable for the foreseeable future.


It's the leftist governments, financed by Soros and bankers
But Soros will be put in his place soon

Oh doge


Btw...My people is fiercely angry with the EU...it's the EU that should be careful

Well then leave the EU. Enjoy being broken up three times.
Just don't come whining when the EU won't bend over to your will.

But don't worry I know you'd whine.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Nice rambling without having to answer a simple question.
.
The answer is : we founded the EU together with other 5 countries. We wanted it to be an Economic Community, not a Bankers' dictatorship.

So..our goal is to restore it and to deprive Bankers' slaves of their power.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
The answer is : we founded the EU together with other 5 countries. We wanted it to be an Economic Community, not a Bankers' dictatorship.

So..our goal is to restore it and to deprive Bankers' slaves of their power.

When your country repeatedly votes for corrupt old scrotes like Berlusconi it's kind of hard to take you seriously when you make claims like this.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member

1) Whenever I speak of Seigniorage Banking, you avoid answering
2) Whenever I speak of Soros, especially why Chancellor Kurz declared him "persona non grata", you avoid answering
3) This Time, I won't answer either
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
What do I have to do with the Banking Industry?
Am I on some board and haven't gotten the memo yet?

Same for Kurz, why do you always bring him up? Because I have an Austrian Passport I have to follow Kurz into Mordor?


Just ridiculous.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What do I have to do with the Banking Industry?
Am I on some board and haven't gotten the memo yet?

Same for Kurz, why do you always bring him up? Because I have an Austrian Passport I have to follow Kurz into Mordor?


Just ridiculous.

Ok...I repeat it then: I believe in a EU which stands for the European peoples. A Europe of Nations, not a Europe of banks.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Who is G.Soros, the person that financed the anti-Brexit campaign with £ 400,000?

1) A speculator: in 1992 he speculated on the British Pound by forcing the Bank of England to lose all its dollar reserves, Soros gained $ 1.1 billion. The pound currency was devalued enormously and was forced to exit the EMS.
On the very same day, he did the exact same thing with the Italian Lira, and Bankitalia lost ₤15 thousand billion (LIT)...dismissing $ 48 billion in reserves. The Lira exited the EMS too, with a 30 % devaluation.

2) A criminal. Condemned to life sentence in Indonesia; condemned to death in Malaysia. For Speculation.
Mulcted with a $ 2 million fine in France.

3) An enemy of Europe : he finances NGOs which favor human trafficking and mass immigration.

2015: Russia bans Soros' NGOs
2017 Austrian Chancellor declares him persona non grata
2018 Hungary bans his NGOs too
2018 Italy prepares anti-Soros law.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Who is G.Soros, the person that financed the anti-Brexit campaign with £ 400,000?

1) A speculator: in 1992 he speculated on the British Pound by forcing the Bank of England to lose all its dollar reserves, Soros gained $ 1.1 billion. The pound currency was devalued enormously and was forced to exit the EMS.
On the very same day, he did the exact same thing with the Italian Lira, and Bankitalia lost ₤15 thousand billion (LIT)...dismissing $ 48 billion in reserves. The Lira exited the EMS too, with a 30 % devaluation.

2) A criminal. Condemned to life sentence in Indonesia; condemned to death in Malaysia. For Speculation.
Mulcted with a $ 2 million fine in France.

3) An enemy of Europe : he finances NGOs which favor human trafficking and mass immigration.

2015: Russia bans Soros' NGOs
2017 Austrian Chancellor declares him persona non grata
2018 Hungary bans his NGOs too
2018 Italy prepares anti-Soros law.

Stop trying to deflect from the fact the Vote Leave campaign broke the law in order to win.
 
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