When "Inerrant" Really Means "Full Of Errors"

[Subduction Zone]

Here is a seven year old article:

The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

The purple in the map below represents atheism and agnosticism as the second most popular "religion":

And here is an example of an article that analyzes the data poorly. They acknowledge the current percentage but base their future population on birth rates! They ignore the fact that most of today's nones were not born into atheism or agnosticism. Many people become atheist or agnostic due to their education:

Religious 'nones' projected to decline as share of world population

Lastly right now the nones are the world's third largest group. After Christianity and Islam:

List of religious populations - Wikipedia

Christianity 2.382 billion 31.11%[3][2]
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%[2][3]
Secular[a]/Nonreligioushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations#cite_note-7/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.161 billion 15.16%[2][3]

 

[Colt]

There is no other Son of God. Jesus was the Son, but not literally because God does not have offspring, so Jesus was as a son is to a father in relationship.

Nobody ever intended to restate the gospel message. The spiritual teachings of Jesus in the gospel are timeless and eternal. The Word of God never passes away.

Matthew 24:35 “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”

However, more was needed for humanity needs to move on to the next stage of it's spiritual and material development, and that is why God sent another Messenger with another message and new social teachings and laws. If the gospel message was the only message that humanity ever needed, then logically speaking we would not have all the problems that we now see in the world today, since we have had the gospel message for 2000 years.

I believe you are mistaken, all people of faith are sons of God. Jesus was the incarnation of the Creator Son. He lived anonymously among us and established a gospel before laying down his life and returning from the dead on his own volition and in a new form which proved his authority.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe you are mistaken, all people of faith are sons of God. Jesus was the incarnation of the Creator Son. He lived anonymously among us and established a gospel before laying down his life and returning from the dead on his own volition and in a new form which proved his authority.

And your evidence for this claim?

 

[danieldemol]

So do you believe that eventually religion is going to die out and secularism is going to take over?
That seems highly unlikely since most people in the world still believe in God even if they do not ascribe to a religion.

I'm inclined to think that if religion survives it will look very different to any of the current Abrahamics. It is more probably the case in my opinion that the world will become a mixture of the spiritual but not religious, and nontheist/atheist/agnostic and associated religions such as Buddhism, although even Buddhism will look somewhat different to its historical traditional Asian type as far as I can tell.

So if by 'secularism' you mean solely atheist/agnostic I would say humans will probably remain more diverse than that, but certainly much different to anything Baha'u'llah would have envisioned

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't know if I can dig up any statistics, and if I did they would probably be limited to individual countries, but statistically the growth of the "nons" has been huge recently. It cannot continue at that rate, but I think that the nonreligious are currently one of the world's major "religions". Hold on a sec.

No, Secular[a]/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist is still only half the size of Christianity and not even close to the size of Islam.

Adherents in 2020

Prevailing religious population by country

Religion/Adherents/ Percentage

Christianity 2.382 billion 31.11%[3][2]
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%[2][3]
Secular[a]/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.161 billion 15.16%[2][3]
Buddhism 506 million 5.06%[2][3]
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million 5%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million 3%
African traditional religions 100 million[6] 1.2%
Sikhism 26 million 0.30%
Spiritism 15 million 0.19%
Judaism 14.7 million[7] 0.18%
Baháʼí 5.0 million[8] 0.07%
Jainism 4.2 million 0.05%
Shinto 4.0 million 0.05%
Cao Dai 4.0 million 0.05%
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million 0.03%
Tenrikyo 2.0 million 0.02%
Animism 1.9 million 0.02%
Neo-Paganism 1.0 million 0.01%
Unitarian Universalism 0.8 million 0.01%
Rastafari 0.6 million 0.007%
total 7.79 billion 100%

List of religious populations - Wikipedia

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe you are mistaken, all people of faith are sons of God. Jesus was the incarnation of the Creator Son. He lived anonymously among us and established a gospel before laying down his life and returning from the dead on his own volition and in a new form which proved his authority.

I do not know what you mean that all people of faith are sons of God and that Jesus was the incarnation of the Creator Son.

I believe that Jesus was a Manifestation of God which is not exactly the same thing as an incarnation, as explained below:

“The Christian equivalent to the Bahá'í concept of Manifestation is the concept of incarnation. The word to incarnate means 'to embody in flesh or 'to assume, or exist in, a bodily (esp. a human) form (Oxford English Dictionary). From a Bahá'í point of view, the important question regarding the subject of incarnation is, what does Jesus incarnate? Bahá'ís can certainly say that Jesus incarnated Gods attributes, in the sense that in Jesus, Gods attributes were perfectly reflected and expressed.[4] The Bahá'í scriptures, however, reject the belief that the ineffable essence of the Divinity was ever perfectly and completely contained in a single human body, because the Bahá'í scriptures emphasize the omnipresence and transcendence of the essence of God…..

Jesus Christ in the Bahá'í Writings

He lived anonymously among us and established a gospel before laying down his life and returning from the dead on his own volition and in a new form which proved his authority.

I do not believe that the physical body of Jesus rose from the dead. I believe that when Jesus died on the cross His soul ascended to heaven and took on a new form comprised of heavenly elements that exist in the spiritual realm.

I do not think the bodily resurrection ever would have been necessary for Jesus to prove His authority, because miracles were unnecessary since Jesus proved His authority by His actions and who He was as a person and a Manifestation of God.

“But in the day of the Manifestation the people with insight see that all the conditions of the Manifestation are miracles, for They are superior to all others, and this alone is an absolute miracle. Recollect that Christ, solitary and alone, without a helper or protector, without armies and legions, and under the greatest oppression, uplifted the standard of God before all the people of the world, and withstood them, and finally conquered all, although outwardly He was crucified. Now this is a veritable miracle which can never be denied. There is no need of any other proof of the truth of Christ…”

Some Answered Questions, p. 101

 

[Trailblazer]

Here is a seven year old article:

The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion

The purple in the map below represents atheism and agnosticism as the second most popular "religion":

And here is an example of an article that analyzes the data poorly. They acknowledge the current percentage but base their future population on birth rates! They ignore the fact that most of today's nones were not born into atheism or agnosticism. Many people become atheist or agnostic due to their education:

Religious 'nones' projected to decline as share of world population

Lastly right now the nones are the world's third largest group. After Christianity and Islam:

List of religious populations - Wikipedia

Christianity 2.382 billion 31.11%[3][2]
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%[2][3]
Secular[a]/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.161 billion 15.16%[2][3]

It looks like you beat me to the punch.

 

[Colt]

I do not know what you mean that all people of faith are sons of God and that Jesus was the incarnation of the Creator Son.

I believe that Jesus was a Manifestation of God which is not exactly the same thing as an incarnation, as explained below:

“The Christian equivalent to the Bahá'í concept of Manifestation is the concept of incarnation. The word to incarnate means 'to embody in flesh or 'to assume, or exist in, a bodily (esp. a human) form (Oxford English Dictionary). From a Bahá'í point of view, the important question regarding the subject of incarnation is, what does Jesus incarnate? Bahá'ís can certainly say that Jesus incarnated Gods attributes, in the sense that in Jesus, Gods attributes were perfectly reflected and expressed.[4] The Bahá'í scriptures, however, reject the belief that the ineffable essence of the Divinity was ever perfectly and completely contained in a single human body, because the Bahá'í scriptures emphasize the omnipresence and transcendence of the essence of God…..

Jesus Christ in the Bahá'í Writings

I do not believe that the physical body of Jesus rose from the dead. I believe that when Jesus died on the cross His soul ascended to heaven and took on a new form comprised of heavenly elements that exist in the spiritual realm.

I do not think the bodily resurrection ever would have been necessary for Jesus to prove His authority, because miracles were unnecessary since Jesus proved His authority by His actions and who He was as a person and a Manifestation of God.

“But in the day of the Manifestation the people with insight see that all the conditions of the Manifestation are miracles, for They are superior to all others, and this alone is an absolute miracle. Recollect that Christ, solitary and alone, without a helper or protector, without armies and legions, and under the greatest oppression, uplifted the standard of God before all the people of the world, and withstood them, and finally conquered all, although outwardly He was crucified. Now this is a veritable miracle which can never be denied. There is no need of any other proof of the truth of Christ…”

Some Answered Questions, p. 101

I believe All of the Jesus story without cherry picking parts that undermine his office.

If God is our Father then we are his sons. I don’t know why that’s hard to understand.

 

[rational experiences]

The reality a question. Where did we come from the basic status to argue.

Science no argument was a human group male choice design.

Design his machine did not exist.

Natural did exist.

He designed what his brothers conferred was a time shifting machine.

First notification evil. You have to melt minerals body of God that life is supported naturally by to own products to build machine.

First human chosen act of evil machine.

Machine is built by its human designer.

Machine owns no conscious of reaction until the controller human thinks again and controls.

The act of evil itself.

Human present.
Human spiritual and healthy.
Theist.

Theist thinker reaction. Mass gone. History of his evil wisdom. Reaction reacted. Gases and water cool reaction.

First evil thinking status theist. No matter. Irradiated effect. Cooling. Visionary recording manifested. Records of evil. Vision no mass but information how to remove mass.

By that exact circumstance.

Evolution of amassing cold O. On Top of natural history. Reactive vision mass gone cooled twice.

How he learnt evil thinking owning a spiritual safe place inside heavens.

Where he said mass does not exist as a theist having theoried God the body earths removal of its mass. As a healthy mind healthy body.

Not in the origin of vision. Not in the cause vision and image.

Thinker controls the machine. Instantly caused radiation fall out.

Lost his mind used to gain self visionary image machine encoded designed by human. Feedback.

Today owns some truly inane beliefs about being part machine by God conditions. When he did it himself to his self. The designer cause a human.

Cause the alien effect itself.

The Jesus quote. Immaculate conception not his human quote. Son of god is a God story for God earth. As theme son of God...is not a man.

It is a teaching about gases owned by earth God as said by a man son human theist. Reason father's life records not the scientist.

Man thinker relates direct conscious man memories to spiritual father. Not AI theories design machine as machine is not natural history.

Seeing so many science documents today name science as God or goddess terms when rationally it was theoried human sciences for science. Machines. To know reactive interactions by thesis.

Human is not God. Son of god a thesis claiming earth owned the sacrifice light gas burning crossing. Light saves life. In space womb.

Man human theories natural light gas...
Made it fall to the ground instead of holding between God earth mother space womb vacuum.

The witness information about why gas cold burns sacrifice.

No man owned that status. We survive due to that status.

Man tried to own it for machine science got life sacrificed instead

Proof we came from spirit eternal. Self owned water oxygen our life removed. In fallout attack. Human self survived lived through change. Self proof that evil did not create our life. We came from spirit direct ourselves a long time ago.

All life on earth proven eradicated by archaeology evidence. Proves life came back out of spirit again.

Man self says. In eternal my eternal spirit did the spirit language research. Why as a manifested man I knew intricate God reasons as my own self sent God from out of being with the eternal.

I always taught it was my own karma inheriting life as a human for causing change to a natural state.

My owned human spirit confession.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It looks like you beat me to the punch.

And you did not link the fact that currently atheism/agnosticism is number three in the world as far as religions goes. The number three religion is no religion. Ironic.

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm inclined to think that if religion survives it will look very different to any of the current Abrahamics.

I am inclined to agree with you as I believe the new religion will look very different from the current Abrahamics. I believe it will be an amalgamation of all religions when they come together as one common Faith. I do not claim that Faith will be the Baha'i Faith, because that is not what the following passage says.

“That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith. This can in no wise be achieved except through the power of a skilled, an all-powerful and inspired Physician. This, verily, is the truth, and all else naught but error.”
The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 91

By the time religions unite into one common Faith a new Messenger might have come with a new religion, so the new religion will have a new name. However, I believe all the religions in the present religious cycle (that will last no less than 500.000 years) will be under the shadow of Baha'u'llah since the Bab and Baha'u'llah ushered in this new religious cycle.

 

[Trailblazer]

And you did not link the fact that currently atheism/agnosticism is number three in the world as far as religions goes.

Sorry, I was in a bit of a rush because I am buried in posts.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe All of the Jesus story without cherry picking parts that undermine his office.

I do not believe in stories that were written by men because I do not consider them to be part of the real Jesus story, but rather they are stories that men wrote about Jesus long after He walked the Earth.

If God is our Father then we are his sons. I don’t know why that’s hard to understand.

Sons and daughters, children of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

I see the definitions of proof and evidence but in my mind they accomplish the same thing. I'd like to see a handful of secular historians' writings sometime between 0 and 32 CE saying that they heard of or better, witnessed these miracles that Jesus supposedly performed. Jesus supposedly had this incredibly large following, witnessed by the feeding of the 4000 and 5000 who followed him. Someone with that large a following certainly would have attracted the attention of the Romans in Israel who would have been fearful Jesus was planning a revolt of some sort. Bottom line: he would have been on their radar. The gospels also say his fame spread far and wide beyond the borders of Israel. At the very least Philo of Alexandria was in Jerusalem frequently during Jesus' supposed ministry and would have heard of Jesus, his miracles, his crucifixion, the earthquake, the darkness and most astonishingly the dead zombies rising from their graves and walking around Jerusalem. He certainly would have mentioned all this in his writings. But nothing. Not a peep from Philo. That to me is the most damning evidence/proof Jesus. if he existed was just a two-bit revolutionary who got crucified and that was the end of him. Stories of him began circulating over the decades since and his legend grew into this monster demi-god which the Christian faith picked up on and adopted as their mascot.

Well, as I said before you have a great advantage over me because you know the Bible.
I only know enough to be dangerous and I learn a lot from people like you.

What I know is mainly related to certain themes like original sin, rising from the dead, and the prophecies related to the return of Christ and the coming of the Messiah, who I believe was Baha'u'llah.

Yes, it does seem as if some of these miracles would have been recorded by someone if they ever happened, especially if Jesus rose from the grave and there were dead zombies rising from their graves and walking around Jerusalem. As I always say, anyone can write a story, but that is no proof that anything in the story actually happened in real life.

 

[rational experiences]

If anyone agreed that a sacrificed human life is first you would be lying.

Human X two equal human X two.

Theism first. Thinking first. Spirit the state to think without thoughts being physical form. They think of spirit including gases.

Thinking of self is first a spirit theism.

Physical life all humans.
Spiritual physical life all humans.

Do you perfect healthy mind and body human want to be sacrificed?

Answer is no. The correct righteous answer

Theism life gas already been sacrificed why we tell the Jesus story

No other human spiritual leader ever suffered stigmata. Being physical observation to body like he did. He proved in irradiation effect as a living loving man we are spiritual.

Some humans AI conscious physical irradiated by huge forced feedback not as lucky. The advice witnessed.

Why conscious expression changes in phenomena forced into natural body.

Witnessed.

Jesus proved occult alienist wrong.

We walk on ground owning life inside water.

Alien is image pressed into ground.

Press on our life by the Phi fallout effect we die as we are not a flimsy gas mass.



Other theists just updated wisdom from slight body change. To state Jesus human life sacrificed real.

Reasons. Body immaculate owning natural life gas spirit sacrificed body mass of was taken off spatial cross in mother womb space.

Life was attacked as body fell to ground.

Why else is man Jesus science designer images on cross witnessed in clouds?

 

[Colt]

I do not believe in stories that were written by men because I do not consider them to be part of the real Jesus story, but rather they are stories that men wrote about Jesus long after He walked the Earth.

Sons and daughters, children of God.

Then how would you know what the real Jesus story is to compare with what men wrote?

 

[rational experiences]

Then how would you know what the real Jesus story is to compare with what men wrote?

Own a human experience involving phenomena whilst your brain chemicals prickled burnt stating this must have been a human physical effect.

Not a believer in life sacrifice as being holy had it proven. What about you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then how would you know what the real Jesus story is to compare with what men wrote?

The same question applies to you. You appear to have traded one book of woo woo for another book of woo woo

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Then how would you know what the real Jesus story is to compare with what men wrote?

Sorry to butt in, cOLTER but the truth is we wouldn't know. We have the gospels and nothing else to corroborate them. We know they were written at least 50 years after the crucifixion and there were no eyewitnesses to give testimony and no written records for the writers to draw from that survive today. We have to take the Bible's word as "gospel" even though the facts call the writing into question. But taking them on faith is perfectly fine. It's just that a lot of us can't do that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then how would you know what the real Jesus story is to compare with what men wrote?

One way to know is by doing research and delving into what has been written about the historical Jesus.

Another way to know is from reading what Baha'u'llah wrote about Jesus. I do not really need to know much more than that and whatever is in the gospels that concurs with that description of Jesus is what I will believe.

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.

Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised. We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 85-86