when is jesus speaking directly to his followers?

[URAVIP2ME]

Waitasec-

There is a difference between public and private prayer.
Jesus gave public prayer such as before he resurrected his friend at John chapter five.

Those hypocritical religious leaders were praying for the sake of attention.
Their attention getting behavior was showing they were not being humble or meek.
Matthew 23 Jesus exposes those false Jewish clergy warning them about their love of prominence and the need for them to be humble.

 

[waitasec]

Waitasec-

There is a difference between public and private prayer.
Jesus gave public prayer such as before he resurrected his friend at John chapter five.

Those hypocritical religious leaders were praying for the sake of attention.
Their attention getting behavior was showing they were not being humble or meek.
Matthew 23 Jesus exposes those false Jewish clergy warning them about their love of prominence and the need for them to be humble.

so,
jc, the son of god, told YOU in a very clear and direct way, to go to your bedroom and pray didn't he? paul is the one who came up with these rules to follow in the church NOT jc, the son of god.
so again, how do you decipher when jc is speaking to you through the bible...do the teachings of paul trump jc's?
seems to me convenience is the deciding factor...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

waitasec-

Yes, where private prayer was concerned Jesus said to go to your room
Where public prayer was concerned that would be done in public.
That is why 'Jesus gave public prayers' besides private prayers.
Wasn't Jesus prayer in front of the people at John chapter 11 [vs42] a 'public ' prayer?

 

[no-body]

....and how are you going to build a world of love, tolerance, peace & unity?

Wasn't Jesus 'new commandment' of John 13vs34,35 building a world of love?
If all followed Jesus example of love what kind of world would we have?
What is the kingly law or royal law found at James 2v8?_________

Yeah thanks for proving my point

The present world is founded on the fundamental belief that man can successfully rule the earth without God. How is the world doing right now?
World conditions are showing man can not direct his step so mankind needs God to step in.

If we where all lobotomized at birth and taught to only think certain things there would be peace on earth too, it doesn't make it a preferable state of living tough.

Keep on hoping for something that is never coming if it makes you happy just get out of the way for people that bring real progress.

 

[waitasec]

....and how are you going to build a world of love, tolerance, peace & unity?

Wasn't Jesus 'new commandment' of John 13vs34,35 building a world of love?
If all followed Jesus example of love what kind of world would we have?
What is the kingly law or royal law found at James 2v8?_________
The present world is founded on the fundamental belief that man can successfully rule the earth without God. How is the world doing right now?
World conditions are showing man can not direct his step so mankind needs God to step in.

waitasec-

Yes, where private prayer was concerned Jesus said to go to your room
Where public prayer was concerned that would be done in public.
That is why 'Jesus gave public prayers' besides private prayers.
Wasn't Jesus prayer in front of the people at John chapter 11 [vs42] a 'public ' prayer?

human rights were never a consideration in the bible and the quran...
that is a fact.
there were laws that condoned rape
there were commands to kill babies, pregnant women and small boys
there was an additional curse on women because of the fall
and slavery was condoned and commanded as well...
if you can justify these injustices, that says something about you, something so obvious your oblivious to it,
so try to figure that out...if you want.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Isn't the 'Biblical term' for slavery Not like the slavery of the US South but
as described at Deuteronomy chapter 15 ?
Work at most, for seven years off pay off debts, then what do verses 13,14 say ?

According to Leviticus 25 [vs10,13,39,40,50] what did the Jubilee Year do for the people ?

 

[waitasec]

Isn't the 'Biblical term' for slavery Not like the slavery of the US South but
as described at Deuteronomy chapter 15 ?
Work at most, for seven years off pay off debts, then what do verses 13,14 say ?

According to Leviticus 25 [vs10,13,39,40,50] what did the Jubilee Year do for the people ?

beating another human being is considered by most people to be wrong, don't you know that...
Luke 12:47 "That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows.

maybe you don't realize this but selling your child is wrong too... i thought this was common knowledge
Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."

we've gone through this before; here's a reminder;


Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property]."

Exodus 21:1-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself."
Deuteronomy 15:12-18: "And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him."

foreign slaves were out of luck (or maybe to you foreigners don't count as human beings)

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yeah thanks for proving my point
If we where all lobotomized at birth and taught to only think certain things there would be peace on earth too, it doesn't make it a preferable state of living tough.
Keep on hoping for something that is never coming if it makes you happy just get out of the way for people that bring real progress.

Can't even a 'moose with a lobotomy' discern there is no real progress?

Swine flu, bird flu, mad cow, ebola, sars, TB, cancer, Aids, etc. are real progress?

According to Science Magazine how many suffer from chronic hunger?
How many in the USA are really malnourished?

How much progress is there in stopping yearly earthquakes?
What is the cause of them? If they don't know the cause how can there be real progress in stopping them?

How much real progress is there in technology when the peaceful invention of the airplane turns into a war weapon? or when countries sell their food to by weapons? What happened to the real progress with the Atom as in Bomb?

What real progress is there with toxic waters and air pollution?

Where is the real progress with political circumstances controlling the hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in the world today such as with terrorism? Doesn't terrorism really destabilize society not progress it?

What real progress is there with greedy people's attitudes and actions as described at 2nd Timothy [3vs1-5,13] compared to 1st Corinthians [13vs4-6]?

What is the real progress with the world's economic health?
Aren't some concerned about a real economic meltdown?

Yes please tell us the answers that people have for real progress?

 

[waitasec]

Can't even a 'moose with a lobotomy' discern there is no real progress?

Swine flu, bird flu, mad cow, ebola, sars, TB, cancer, Aids, etc. are real progress?

According to Science Magazine how many suffer from chronic hunger?
How many in the USA are really malnourished?

How much progress is there in stopping yearly earthquakes?
What is the cause of them? If they don't know the cause how can there be real progress in stopping them?

How much real progress is there in technology when the peaceful invention of the airplane turns into a war weapon? or when countries sell their food to by weapons? What happened to the real progress with the Atom as in Bomb?

What real progress is there with toxic waters and air pollution?

Where is the real progress with political circumstances controlling the hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in the world today such as with terrorism? Doesn't terrorism really destabilize society not progress it?

What real progress is there with greedy people's attitudes and actions as described at 2nd Timothy [3vs1-5,13] compared to 1st Corinthians [13vs4-6]?

What is the real progress with the world's economic health?
Aren't some concerned about a real economic meltdown?

Yes please tell us the answers that people have for real progress?

your rebuttal still doesn't change the fact
the bible condones slavery, rape, racism and the murder of children
keep trying to justify it...

 

[no-body]

Can't even a 'moose with a lobotomy' discern there is no real progress?

Swine flu, bird flu, mad cow, ebola, sars, TB, cancer, Aids, etc. are real progress?

According to Science Magazine how many suffer from chronic hunger?
How many in the USA are really malnourished?

How much progress is there in stopping yearly earthquakes?
What is the cause of them? If they don't know the cause how can there be real progress in stopping them?

How much real progress is there in technology when the peaceful invention of the airplane turns into a war weapon? or when countries sell their food to by weapons? What happened to the real progress with the Atom as in Bomb?

What real progress is there with toxic waters and air pollution?

Where is the real progress with political circumstances controlling the hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in the world today such as with terrorism? Doesn't terrorism really destabilize society not progress it?

What real progress is there with greedy people's attitudes and actions as described at 2nd Timothy [3vs1-5,13] compared to 1st Corinthians [13vs4-6]?

What is the real progress with the world's economic health?
Aren't some concerned about a real economic meltdown?

Yes please tell us the answers that people have for real progress?

Look at how much the world has changed in just a hundred years. In relation to that, we've actually made remarkable progress.

There will always be bad things in life. You can cling to imaginary characters who will one day supposedly make it all better or you can focus on the here and now and help yourself and those who need it.

 

[waitasec]

Look at how much the world has changed in just a hundred years. In relation to that, we've actually made remarkable progress.

There will always be bad things in life. You can cling to imaginary characters who will one day supposedly make it all better or you can focus on the here and now and help yourself and those who need it.

well said
:yes:

 

[Midnight Pete]

i am very curious as to how christians decipher when jesus is talking to them personally through the bible or when he is only speaking to the crowd or a particular person. for example;

in the famous John 3:16 jesus is having a conversation with nicodemus
but somehow that conversation, in the minds of EVERY christian, can be applied to everyone, then and now

but when jesus is talking to a certain ruler, in luke 18, who asks; "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" even though he has followed all the commandments
jesus replies with "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

this commandment is mentioned TWICE in the gospels and this commandment in john is only mentioned ONCE.

even when he is speaking to a crowd or to his disciples he says,
not all of you will taste death before the son of man will come with power in his kingdom...

how do you decode the scripture and figure out when his words are meant FOR YOU TODAY?

A very good question and I'm glad you asked it. The Holy Spirit provides the seeker with the gift of discernment in all things scriptural. Discernment is the ability to "decode" the Word of God and have God speak to you through His Word.

 

[waitasec]

A very good question and I'm glad you asked it. The Holy Spirit provides the seeker with the gift of discernment in all things scriptural. Discernment is the ability to "decode" the Word of God and have God speak to you through His Word.

the "gift of discernment" is another word for "disclaimers for failure of your faith"
john 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

what do you interpret jesus is describing in Matt. 25:31-45, the final judgment?
faith/salvation is based solely and entirely on works responding to internalized compassion

he commanded his followers to be doers ( and he told them what to do) not talkers...or debaters of doctrine
the gift of discernment justifies mediocrity... something the character of jesus was NOT

 

[Midnight Pete]

the "gift of discernment" is another word for "disclaimers for failure of your faith"
john 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

what do you interpret jesus is describing in Matt. 25:31-45, the final judgment?
faith/salvation is based solely and entirely on works responding to internalized compassion

he commanded his followers to be doers ( and he told them what to do) not talkers...or debaters of doctrine
the gift of discernment justifies mediocrity... something the character of jesus was NOT

You seem to have this all figured out. So why even ask?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Look at how much the world has changed in just a hundred years. In relation to that, we've actually made remarkable progress.
There will always be bad things in life. You can cling to imaginary characters who will one day supposedly make it all better or you can focus on the here and now and help yourself and those who need it.

Remarkable progress such as?___________

Didn't Jesus focus on the 'here and now' back then by his illustration of the Good Samaritan teaching that we today can all widen out to help others?
What does the on-going command to 'love neighbor as self' imply?
Or Jesus new commandment of John 13vs34,35 imply?

How much has the world changed in just a hundred years?
Since 1910 we have seen how many wars?
Since 1910 what scale did wars take on?
Since 1910 how much in the way of population extermination has occurred in the 'holy name' of War?

 

[waitasec]

You seem to have this all figured out. So why even ask?

because i want to know when the christian is hearing god appoint them as the mediator between my rights and the will of their god?

same sex marriages, for instance? Thats why....
or do you believe your religious belief trumps over a homosexuals inalienable rights?

 

[Thief]

because i want to know when the christian is hearing god appoint them as the mediator between my rights and the will of their god?

same sex marriages, for instance? Thats why....
or do you believe your religious belief trumps over a homosexuals inalienable rights?

Hoe about.....
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

This is your trump card.
It puts you in control what will happen to you when you die.

 

[waitasec]

Hoe about.....
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

what about that?
still doesn't change the fact the religious right appoint themselves as the mediators between their god and the peoples rights...

 

[no-body]

Remarkable progress such as?___________

Didn't Jesus focus on the 'here and now' back then by his illustration of the Good Samaritan teaching that we today can all widen out to help others?
What does the on-going command to 'love neighbor as self' imply?
Or Jesus new commandment of John 13vs34,35 imply?

As did many religions before him. If you want to have faith and all it's nice, but your solution to fixing the world until God supposedly gets here is to make everyone into a mechanical automaton. Good luck with that.

How much has the world changed in just a hundred years?
Since 1910 we have seen how many wars?
Since 1910 what scale did wars take on?
Since 1910 how much in the way of population extermination has occurred in the 'holy name' of War?

What is this an exam? I don't look up and post facts anymore because I know they are going to get ignored. Like I said there are always going to be atrocities happening, but the worlds technology and humanist philosophy is there to balance it out and do great good.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

As did many religions before him. If you want to have faith and all it's nice, but your solution to fixing the world until God supposedly gets here is to make everyone into a mechanical automaton. Good luck with that.
What is this an exam? I don't look up and post facts anymore because I know they are going to get ignored. Like I said there are always going to be atrocities happening, but the worlds technology and humanist philosophy is there to balance it out and do great good.

How is loving others as Jesus loved making everyone into a mechanical automation? Was Jesus an automaton?
Does living by the 'Golden Rule' make everyone robots?
How is widening out in ones love of neighbor as the neighborly Samaritan did make everyone into a mechanical automation?

How successful is the world's technology and human philosophy balancing things out so far? Even with the 'sunlight' of enlightened technology and philosophy it even has the world's clergy backing the political arms race.
How many are exterminated in the holy name of war by technology?