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when is jesus speaking directly to his followers?

Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
waitasec said:
ah, the nemesis of the gods
freewill
:rolleyes:
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The nemesis of Man....freewill.

'And he shall be confounded in all that he does.'

Free to choose....free to enjoy....free to suffer for having done so.

oh...that's right...you don't like scripture.
It infringes on your freewill.

And then you go on as if the law of Man doesn't.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Thief said:
The nemesis of Man....freewill.

'And he shall be confounded in all that he does.'

Free to choose....free to enjoy....free to suffer for having done so.

oh...that's right...you don't like scripture.
It infringes on your freewill.

And then you go on as if the law of Man doesn't.
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are you a monk?
or do you suffer from having munchausen's syndrome
i am terribly sorry...
:areyoucra
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
waitasec said:
are you a monk?
or do you suffer from having munchausen's syndrome
i am terribly sorry...
:areyoucra
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And my piety is important to you?
I doubt it.

And no I don't need you sympathy or attention.

Back to topic.
Still can't tell what applies to you?....concerning scripture?
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Thief said:
And my piety is important to you?
I doubt it.

And no I don't need you sympathy or attention.

Back to topic.
Still can't tell what applies to you?....concerning scripture?
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i thought i've been making myself clear...

are you doubting god right now?
is that why you're checking in from time to time...
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
waitasec said:
i thought i've been making myself clear...

are you doubting god right now?
is that why you're checking in from time to time...
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Let's see...how many times have I written...'back to topic'?

Or maybe you really don't want to talk about the Carpenter...or scripture?
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Thief said:
Let's see...how many times have I written...'back to topic'?

Or maybe you really don't want to talk about the Carpenter...or scripture?
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what's the topic? the cherry picking of scripture of when the carpenter speaks,
being the self appointed mediator between my rights and your god or
the lack of faith in god because of the huge ego you carry? (myself included :D)
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Hers' your topic.

waitasec said:
i am very curious as to how christians decipher when jesus is talking to them personally through the bible or when he is only speaking to the crowd or a particular person. for example;

in the famous John 3:16 jesus is having a conversation with nicodemus
but somehow that conversation, in the minds of EVERY christian, can be applied to everyone, then and now

but when jesus is talking to a certain ruler, in luke 18, who asks; "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" even though he has followed all the commandments
jesus replies with "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

this commandment is mentioned TWICE in the gospels and this commandment in john is only mentioned ONCE.

even when he is speaking to a crowd or to his disciples he says,
not all of you will taste death before the son of man will come with power in his kingdom...

how do you decode the scripture and figure out when his words are meant FOR YOU TODAY?
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waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Thief said:
Hers' your topic.
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so, are you gonna sell your possessions and give to the poor or not

"In his last teaching before going to the upper room for the Last Supper and the "beginning of the end," Jesus described in Matt. 25:31-45 the final judgment as being based solely and entirely on behavioral responses to internalized compassion. And Jesus makes it very clear that those who DO express universal compassion in behavioral action WILL BE SAVED, and those who do not will NOT be saved. Period. There is no other qualification."

here is a highlight straight from the horses mouth
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'


"the discourse to Nicodemus on salvation as a gift of grace, Jesus includes specific behavioral requirements"
John 3:19-21 (New International Version)

19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[a]


you got a problem with that?
if not why refute what i am saying, unless you cherry pick out of necessity and convenience

:sarcastic
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
waitasec said:
so, are you gonna sell your possessions and give to the poor or not

"In his last teaching before going to the upper room for the Last Supper and the "beginning of the end," Jesus described in Matt. 25:31-45 the final judgment as being based solely and entirely on behavioral responses to internalized compassion. And Jesus makes it very clear that those who DO express universal compassion in behavioral action WILL BE SAVED, and those who do not will NOT be saved. Period. There is no other qualification."

here is a highlight straight from the horses mouth
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'


"the discourse to Nicodemus on salvation as a gift of grace, Jesus includes specific behavioral requirements"
John 3:19-21 (New International Version)

19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[a]


you got a problem with that?
if not why refute what i am saying, unless you cherry pick out of necessity and convenience

:sarcastic
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You are actually asking if scripture applies to you.
It does.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Thief said:
You are actually asking if scripture applies to you.
It does.
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it doesn't seem that it applies to you because you keep changing the subject

waitasec said:
so, are you gonna sell your possessions and give to the poor or not

"In his last teaching before going to the upper room for the Last Supper and the "beginning of the end," Jesus described in Matt. 25:31-45 the final judgment as being based solely and entirely on behavioral responses to internalized compassion. And Jesus makes it very clear that those who DO express universal compassion in behavioral action WILL BE SAVED, and those who do not will NOT be saved. Period. There is no other qualification."

here is a highlight straight from the horses mouth
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'


"the discourse to Nicodemus on salvation as a gift of grace, Jesus includes specific behavioral requirements"
John 3:19-21 (New International Version)

19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[a]


you got a problem with that?
if not why refute what i am saying, unless you cherry pick out of necessity and convenience
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U

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
waitasec said:
i don't know why don't you ask paul the apostle...
apparently he's still waiting...:facepalm:
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Interesting that you should mention Paul because Paul mentioned God's 7th day was still on going in his day at Hebrews 4vs4-10.
There is no close mentioned for the 7th day that started in Genesis.
 
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