when is jesus speaking directly to his followers?

[waitasec]

How is loving others as Jesus loved making everyone into a mechanical automation? Was Jesus an automaton?
Does living by the 'Golden Rule' make everyone robots?
How is widening out in ones love of neighbor as the neighborly Samaritan did make everyone into a mechanical automation?

How successful is the world's technology and human philosophy balancing things out so far? Even with the 'sunlight' of enlightened technology and philosophy it even has the world's clergy backing the political arms race.
How many are exterminated in the holy name of war by technology?

the definition of neighbor is:
"according to the Jews, any member of the Hebrew nation and commonwealth"

go to leviticus 19:18
and figure out what neighbor means in that context when it is cross referenced with matthew 22:29 and remember who jc was taking to...

Interlinear Study Bible on SearchGodsWord.org

so you would rather have;
women bare foot and pregnant...quiet in church
slavery as a means of paying off debt
human trafficking
rape laws that only protect the men that have dibs on a female
genocide as a means of eliminating your enemy

please tell me,
wasn't it the religious right that condoned such things or not?

the golden rule btw didn't originate in christianity

Ancient Babylon
The early incarnations of the Golden Rule, found in the Code of Hammurabi, (1780 BCE)[9], and in the Torah, dealt less with ethical reciprocity as they did concepts of retribution ("an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth").
Ancient Egypt
An early example of the Golden Rule that reflects the Ancient Egyptian concept of Maat appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant which is dated to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040–1650 BCE): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to cause that he do."[10] An example from a Late Period (c. 1080 – 332 BCE) papyrus: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."[11]
Ancient Greek philosophy
The Golden Rule in its prohibitive form was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. Examples of the general concept include:
"Do not do to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." – Pittacus[12] (c. 640–568 BCE)
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales[13]
"What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either. " – Sextus the Pythagorean[14] The oldest extant reference to Sextus is by Origin in the third century of the common era.[15]
"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." – Isocrates[16]
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." – Epictetus[17]
"It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'[18]), and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life." – Epicurus[19]
"One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him." – Plato's Socrates (Crito, 49c) (c. 469 BC–399 BCE)

The Golden Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Thief]

what about that?
still doesn't change the fact the religious right appoint themselves as the mediators between their god and the peoples rights...

And you actually believe that 'rights' supercede faith?

Obviously your lack of faith is showing...to place the will of Man before the will of God.

 

[waitasec]

And you actually believe that 'rights' supercede faith?

Obviously your lack of faith is showing...to place the will of Man before the will of God.

what are you talking about?
don't you know there is no "god"
faith? well then,
why don't you give up your rights and sell everything like jc commanded you to and show us your faith

 

[Thief]

what are you talking about?
don't you know there is no "god"
faith? well then,
why don't you give up your rights and sell everything like jc commanded you to and show us your faith

You draw the line inappropriately.

What I have is my own...by my hand, and the allowance of God.
There are also some occasions of generosity dealt by friends and neighbors.
These are mine....not yours.

And that command you are so fond of throwing around.....
as if it belongs to you......

Was delivered in the presence of a crowd....by the Carpenter....
Who was demonstrating the attitude of a rich man's approach to be ....inappropriate.

 

[waitasec]

You draw the line inappropriately.

What I have is my own...by my hand, and the allowance of God.
There are also some occasions of generosity dealt by friends and neighbors.
These are mine....not yours.

And that command you are so fond of throwing around.....
as if it belongs to you......

Was delivered in the presence of a crowd....by the Carpenter....
Who was demonstrating the attitude of a rich man's approach to be ....inappropriate.

faith alone, according to your scriptures, doesn't cut it...
so either own it or keep throwing out disclaimers
as to why you shouldn't keep your treasures here on earth
your lord said this...

matthew 6:19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

 

[Thief]

faith alone, according to your scriptures, doesn't cut it...
so either own it or keep throwing out disclaimers
as to why you shouldn't keep your treasures here on earth
your lord said this...

matthew 6:19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

Indeed...faith alone may prove insufficient.
But you already know .....I have faith.
You don't.

The rest of your post is correct.
I know this work and understand it.

Are you actually trying to use scripture....debating with a rogue theologian?

 

[waitasec]

Indeed...faith alone may prove insufficient.
But you already know .....I have faith.
You don't.

The rest of your post is correct.
I know this work and understand it.

Are you actually trying to use scripture....debating with a rogue theologian?

faith means what?
throughout history, christians have been trying to take control over the inalienable rights of others, whatever happened to their faith? if one believes in miracles then they should put their trust in their god. why the need for control? because their faith is null and void.

 

[Thief]

faith means what?
throughout history, christians have been trying to take control over the inalienable rights of others, whatever happened to their faith? if one believes in miracles then they should put their trust in their god. why the need for control? because their faith is null and void.

You seem to think, faith is no more than a control, used by church leaders,
to shepherd their followers.

All too often this is true.

But faith is belief in God.
You don't need any one else for that.
Your faith...or lack of it, is actually .....your problem.

 

[waitasec]

You seem to think, faith is no more than a control, used by church leaders,
to shepherd their followers.

All too often this is true.

Your faith...or lack of it, is actually .....your problem.

the believers faith becomes my problem when it's used for control.
or is it because of their lack of faith?
a conundrum of the ages...

what ever happened to, "freedom and justice for all"?
not the majority but for all...
oh yeah, "under god" means freedom and justice for the majority.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

the definition of neighbor is:
"according to the Jews, any member of the Hebrew nation and commonwealth"
go to leviticus 19:18
and figure out what neighbor means in that context when it is cross referenced with matthew 22:29 and remember who jc was taking to...
so you would rather have;
women bare foot and pregnant...quiet in church
slavery as a means of paying off debt
human trafficking
rape laws that only protect the men that have dibs on a female
genocide as a means of eliminating your enemy
please tell me,
wasn't it the religious right that condoned such things or not?
the golden rule btw didn't originate in christianity
Ancient Babylon
The early incarnations of the Golden Rule, found in the Code of Hammurabi, (1780 BCE)[9], and in the Torah, dealt less with ethical reciprocity as they did concepts of retribution ("an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth").
Ancient Egypt
An early example of the Golden Rule that reflects the Ancient Egyptian concept of Maat appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant which is dated to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040–1650 BCE): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to cause that he do."[10] An example from a Late Period (c. 1080 – 332 BCE) papyrus: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."[11]
Ancient Greek philosophy
The Golden Rule in its prohibitive form was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. Examples of the general concept include:
"Do not do to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." – Pittacus[12] (c. 640–568 BCE)
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales[13]
"What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either. " – Sextus the Pythagorean[14] The oldest extant reference to Sextus is by Origin in the third century of the common era.[15]
"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." – Isocrates[16]
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." – Epictetus[17]
"It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'[18]), and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life." – Epicurus[19]
"One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him." – Plato's Socrates (Crito, 49c) (c. 469 BC–399 BCE)

Neighbor: Hebrew word rendered neighbor is 'shakhen' which has reference to location, cities, persons, friends, enemies.
See: Jer 49v18; Ruth 4v17; Psalm 79v4,12

Hebrew term Re'a means fellow, companion, friend.
Hebrew term Amith is associate
Hebrew term Qarohv is one near at hand, place, time, persons

Repeated is not to do harm to one's fellowman [re'a]
-Ex 20v16; Deut 5v21; 27v24; Prov 14v21

Jesus added [Matt 19vs16-19] love neighbor [plesion] and said this was the second most important law[ Matt 22v35-40;Mark 12vs28-31; Luke 10vs25-28
which the law and the prophets hung on those two laws.

Jesus deepened or expanded the meaning of [plesion] in his illustration of the good Samaritan who was merciful to another as to what would be a 'real' neighbor in love and kindness. Jesus was showing we can all widen out in love for others.

Shouldn't verses and passages should be taken in context and setting?
We compared about women talking out loud at an inappropriate time, and women praying and prophesying [explaining Scripture] at the appropriate time.

There are a lot of verses or passages taken as though they are in a vacuum instead of looking at corresponding or parallel passages and verses to get the big or bigger complete picture of what the writers are conveying.

 

[Thief]

the believers faith becomes my problem when it's used for control.
or is it because of their lack of faith?
a conundrum of the ages...

what ever happened to, "freedom and justice for all"?
not the majority but for all...
oh yeah, "under god" means freedom and justice for the majority.

Still favoring the law of Man, I see.

 

[Godobeyer]

i am very curious as to how christians decipher when jesus is talking to them personally through the bible or when he is only speaking to the crowd or a particular person. for example;

in the famous John 3:16 jesus is having a conversation with nicodemus
but somehow that conversation, in the minds of EVERY christian, can be applied to everyone, then and now

but when jesus is talking to a certain ruler, in luke 18, who asks; "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" even though he has followed all the commandments
jesus replies with "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

this commandment is mentioned TWICE in the gospels and this commandment in john is only mentioned ONCE.

even when he is speaking to a crowd or to his disciples he says,
not all of you will taste death before the son of man will come with power in his kingdom...

how do you decode the scripture and figure out when his words are meant FOR YOU TODAY?

this why the most of the Christians become atheists ,
[youtube]XXTgB6yeEkM[/youtube]
YouTube - WHAT IS THE BIBLE? - Yusuf Estes

 

[blackout]

Still favoring the law of Man, I see.

Which means of course, that you do not vote.

 

[no-body]

How is loving others as Jesus loved making everyone into a mechanical automation? Was Jesus an automaton?
Does living by the 'Golden Rule' make everyone robots?
How is widening out in ones love of neighbor as the neighborly Samaritan did make everyone into a mechanical automation?

Like I said before, many religions preach these same principles some even more so than Christianity. Why should everyone convert and act the same just because you have a feeling that it's the best, right religion? If all you can do is quote from the bible, well there you go that's what I mean by mechanical automaton.

How successful is the world's technology and human philosophy balancing things out so far? Even with the 'sunlight' of enlightened technology and philosophy it even has the world's clergy backing the political arms race.
How many are exterminated in the holy name of war by technology?

Look at what happened when you guys where in charge, the dark ages. Yes, yes I know "it wasn't the right type of Christianity" you guys are as bad as the communist.

 

[waitasec]

Still favoring the law of Man, I see.

another red herring i see...

 

[Thief]

another red herring i see...

Your herring belongs to you.

Still don't understand when something pertains to you?

When you have read or listened to a parable....a story of morality...
You don't get to say later on...'I didn't hear such things.'

You have to make a choice.

You can abide by the moral implication...or ignore it.

That you quote politics in preference to parables draws a line.
You have already made a choice.

Are you wanting to change your mind?

 

[waitasec]

Your herring belongs to you.

Still don't understand when something pertains to you?

When you have read or listened to a parable....a story of morality...
You don't get to say later on...'I didn't hear such things.'

You have to make a choice.

You can abide by the moral implication...or ignore it.

That you quote politics in preference to parables draws a line.
You have already made a choice.

Are you wanting to change your mind?

sorry,
been there and done that.

it seems as though you are the one who avoids answering the questions, a common practice with folks like you who appoint themselves as the mediators between peoples rights and the "will" of their "god"

i'll ask again
where is your faith? is your god that impotent?
i believe it is a lack of faith that generates the need for control?
will you answer the question or just avoid the question as usual?


well?

 

[Thief]

sorry,
been there and done that.

it seems as though you are the one who avoids answering the questions, a common practice with folks like you who appoint themselves as the mediators between peoples rights and the "will" of their "god"

i'll ask again
where is your faith? is your god that impotent?
i believe it is a lack of faith that generates the need for control?
will you answer the question or just avoid the question as usual?


well?

Your rhetoric is failing.
You already know where my faith is.

You stated your belief as a question.
Are you asking me? or yourself?

Are you still confused how something written, two thousand years ago, applies to you?

 

[waitasec]

You already know where my faith is.

you mean your lack of faith...

if you had faith your god works through your words to me
then why keep trying?

 

[Thief]

you mean your lack of faith...

if you had faith your god works through your words to me
then why keep trying?

As if you have become something important to me?

You think too much of yourself.