Where are the people?

[TransmutingSoul]

Yeah Romania is no longer a monarchy. So much for following Baha’u’llah extending the reign of monarchies.

I see if one in intent on rejecting the Prophecies, I see one could choose to offer that, I would offer it is naught but a distraction though.

The Prophecies were for the reign of England, it is still there. They were not for Romania. I added Queen Marie as a fruit of the Monarch of England, that they produced such a Person as Queen Marie.

The monarch of Germany no longer exists, both Prophecies are logically true.

The Monarch of France alao no longer exist, the Ottom Empire expired. So far a good 100% rate of prediction.

It is way too easy to dismiss all this with hindsight, we have many experts of hindsight with the rise of the internet. I think you would agree and see that is a valid statement.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

What battle occurred on the banks of the Rhine during 1870-71?

The Battle of Sedan was fought during the Franco-Prussian War from 1 to 2 September 1870. Resulting in the capture of Emperor Napoleon III and over a hundred thousand troops, it effectively decided the war in favour of Prussia and its allies, though fighting continued under a new French government.
Battle of Sedan - Wikipedia

 

[danieldemol]

I see if one in intent on rejecting the Prophecies, I see one could choose to offer that, I would offer it is naught but a distraction though.

One doesn't have to be intent on rejecting the Prophecies in my view, one only has to read them in context and have an ability to think critically.

The Prophecies were for the reign of England, it is still there.

For now, but there are still the better part of the thousand years for that monarchy to be diminished, and the extent of its empire is already reduced.

They were not for Romania. I added Queen Marie as a fruit of the Monarch of England, that they produced such a Person as Queen Marie.

But you are overlooking the conditional nature of the Prophecies. Kaiser Wilhelm 1 rejects Baha'u'llah and has a long reign. The moral of the story is supposed to be that allying with Baha'u'llah will extend your reign whilst opposing Baha'u'llah will shorten it. So you are overlooking contrary examples to the moral of the story.

The monarch of Germany no longer exists, both Prophecies are logically true.

No, because a prophecy that fails in part is a total failure even if parts of it come true.

The Monarch of France alao no longer exist, the Ottom Empire expired. So far a good 100% rate of prediction.

See my comment about partial failure

It is way too easy to dismiss all this with hindsight, we have many experts of hindsight with the rise of the internet. I think you would agree and see that is a valid statement.

It is too easy to dismiss with hindsight because it is failed Prophecy in my view.

Kind regards.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Sure, a video about the Baha'i Faith made by a Muslim would be pretty accurate. Got any logical abilities?
Maybe you also have a video made by a Christian who 'believes' that Baha'u'llah is the antichrist.

Apparently more than you, was their any claim made by the particular Muslim in relationship to the Baha'i faith that was false? If not you are just making a hasty generalisation (your personal favourite fallacy) about Muslims in my view.

I watched the Video. The first part is another hindsight expert that did confirm the Prophecies did happen, but dismissed innate knowledge as the source. So Trailblazer has a valid view, it was a Muslim that has rejected Baha'u'llah was a Messenger from God, that Baha'u'llah did not have an innate knowledge of the topic,so no biggy there, he is entitled to do so.

The rest about Abdul'baha is also shaped by his stance against the Baha'i Faith. The Will and Testament by Abdul'baha has a history that needs to be studied. It was first written when Abdul'baha was under threat of death, when Shoghi Effendi was still a very young child. I have never seen that will and Testament as Prophecy, so that was an interesting take on the document. I see it a distraction of the Covernant given on that document.

What one needs to know is that the Writings do allow for the line of the Guardian to finish, and the Universal House of Justice was to remain under the Authority of the Guardian. This still happens. Every decision made is guided by the explanations of Baha'u'llah, Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi. The Universal House of Justice is not able to Interpret, but they can use the guidance already given and both Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi sent so many letters on so many subjects, that this isong lasting guidance.

You will note they use those quotes in replies to questions asked by Baha'i and allow the Baha'i to consider what Baha'u'llah, Abdul'baha or the Guardian offered. If they do not find an answer, they say they have not found an answer.

This is a big topic Daniel. I will not debate any topic, but happy to discuss.

If we disagree, I am happy to move on.

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

The Battle of Sedan was fought during the Franco-Prussian War from 1 to 2 September 1870. Resulting in the capture of Emperor Napoleon III and over a hundred thousand troops, it effectively decided the war in favour of Prussia and its allies, though fighting continued under a new French government.
Battle of Sedan - Wikipedia

The location of the battle of Sedan was in Sedan France as I understand it, not on the banks of the Rhine in Germany.
Sedan has a river - the Muese. It joins up with the Rhine and Sheldt rivers to drain into the north sea. But it seems like more than a bit of a stretch to call it the Rhine in my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Where are the people.

Moving away from RF, that is for sure.

All the best Loverofhumanity.

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

I have never seen that will and Testament as Prophecy

Of course you wouldn't as it is failed in my view.
Abdu'l-Baha states, "He is the expounder of the words of God and after him will succeed the first-born of his lineal descendants". Any statement made about what will happen in the future counts as a prophecy in my view.

 

[Trailblazer]

The location of the battle of Sedan was in Sedan France as I understand it, not on the banks of the Rhine in Germany.
Sedan has a river - the Muese. It joins up with the Rhine and Sheldt rivers to drain into the north sea. But it seems like more than a bit of a stretch to call it the Rhine in my opinion.

In one of His Tablets written before the first World War (1914–1918), ‘Abdu’l-Bahá explained that Bahá’u’lláh’s reference to having seen the banks of the Rhine “covered with gore” related to the Franco-Prussian War (1870–1871).

The battle of Sedan was only Part of the Franco-Prussian War

Battle of Sedan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many other battles were fought during that war.

Category:Battles of the Franco-Prussian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[danieldemol]

In one of His Tablets written before the first World War (1914–1918), ‘Abdu’l-Bahá explained that Bahá’u’lláh’s reference to having seen the banks of the Rhine “covered with gore” related to the Franco-Prussian War (1870–1871).

The battle of Sedan was only Part of the Franco-Prussian War

Battle of Sedan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many other battles were fought during that war.

Category:Battles of the Franco-Prussian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ok, so which one was fought on the banks of the Rhine?

 

[Trailblazer]

Of course you wouldn't as it is failed in my view.
Abdu'l-Baha states, "He is the expounder of the words of God and after him will succeed the first-born of his lineal descendants". Any statement made about what will happen in the future counts as a prophecy in my view.

Abdu'l-Baha did not predict that would happen so it was not a prophecy. It was only according to what normally happens with successor-ship, and what he hoped would unfold in the future.

 

[Trailblazer]

Ok, so which one was fought on the banks of the Rhine?

I don't know.

 

[danieldemol]

Abdu'l-Baha did not predict that would happen so it was not a prophecy. It was only according to what normally happens with successor-ship, and what he hoped would unfold in the future.

He didn't say this is what he hopes will happen, he said it is what "will" happen in my view. That is why it counts as prophecy.

 

[danieldemol]

I don't know.

Historians dont seem to know of one either, you can see a reasonably comprehensive listing of historical military Rhine crossings here;

History of crossings of the Rhine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The most recent entry prior to WW2 appears to be 1814 three years prior to Baha'u'llah's birth.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Of course you wouldn't as it is failed in my view.
Abdu'l-Baha states, "He is the expounder of the words of God and after him will succeed the first-born of his lineal descendants". Any statement made about what will happen in the future counts as a prophecy in my view.

No need to debate this Daniel. I wish yiu well and say goodbye.

See you in the next worlds of God, God willing.

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

No need to debate this Daniel. I wish yiu well and say goodbye.

See you in the next worlds of God, God willing.

Regards Tony

Goodbye and kind regards.

 

[Trailblazer]

Historians dont seem to know of one either, you can see a reasonably comprehensive listing of historical military Rhine crossings here;

History of crossings of the Rhine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The most recent entry prior to WW2 appears to be 1814 three years prior to Baha'u'llah's birth.

It did not say crossing of the Rhine, it said banks of the Rhine. Probably one of those battles that Wikipedia site listed was fought on the banks of the Rhine, but I was not about to go through the entire list.

 

[danieldemol]

It did not say crossing of the Rhine, it said banks of the Rhine. Probably one of those battles that Wikipedia site listed was fought on the banks of the Rhine, but I was not about to go through the entire list.

Yes but the whole point of fighting on the banks of the Rhine is to cross over it in my view.

The two military teams are on opposite sides and one or the other surely has to cross so they can meet on its banks to engage in the gore generating slaughter according to my understanding.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I wonder how we got to national sovereignty. It was gradually wasnt it?

No, it was there from right from the beginning. The predators mark their territory by pissing on things to warn competitors. Tigers, leopards, etc. do that. Alpha males do not allow other males to dominate or mate with the females of the group.

Sanskrit raj- "a king, a leader," rjyati "he stretches himself," riag "torture" (by racking); Avestan razeyeiti "directs," raštva- "directed, arranged, straight;" Persian rahst "right, correct;" Latin regere "to rule, direct, lead, govern," rex (genitive regis) "king," rectus "right, correct;" Greek oregein "to reach, extend;" Old Irish ri, Gaelic righ "a king," Gaulish -rix "a king" (in personal names, such as Vircingetorix), Old Irish rigim "to stretch out;" Gothic reiks "a leader," raihts "straight, right;" Lithuanian raižytis "to stretch oneself;" Old English rice "kingdom," -ric "king," rice "rich, powerful," riht "correct;" Gothic raihts, Old High German recht, Old Swedish reht, Old Norse rettr "correct."

rajah | Etymology of rajah by etymonline

"king or prince in India," ruling either independently or as a feudatory, 1550s, from… See origin and meaning of rajah.

www.etymonline.com

 

[Aupmanyav]

I used my own mind and came to my own conclusions no matter what others said or whatever I read. I made up my own mind independently.

And that is that those who do not accept Bahaollah as the latest manifestation of Allah will not have the nearness to your God. And that they should be warned that the retribution from God for doing this is terrible.

 

[Aupmanyav]

".. in other words, whether His prophecies are being fulfilled and His ordinances established, and whether His lifework has contributed to the education and upliftment of humanity and the betterment of morals, or the contrary.”

Trailblazer, don't ask us to go to your advertising material, say in short what you want to say right here. There have been many leaders whose work has contributed to education and upliftment of humanity and betterment of morals more than what Bahaollah and his followers have been able to do. Should we, then consider them as manifestations of God? Gandhi and Martin Luther King are examples, and there will be many in the next 800 years. Why did the egoist narcissist Bahaollah rule them out?