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Where are the people?

ppp

ppp

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Trailblazer said:
How do you know that is a lie?
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You don't get that discussion until you can demonstrate a satisfactorily robust epistemology. At least, you don't get that discussion with me.

The fact is that I think it's a lie, and as a result would never accept it as a foundation. With a foundation of even the most generic god, you still would exclude a large chunk of the non-dualists from your Greater Peace. Not to mention all of the religious people that disallow for any gods but their specific one. Not to mention all of the non-religious groups that you exclude from full social franchisement. And by you, I am referring to the Baha'i Faith; not necessarily to you in particular.

Consider Rawls' Veil of Ignorance. Or don't.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
ppp said:
You don't get that discussion until you can demonstrate a satisfactorily robust epistemology. At least, you don't get that discussion with me.

The fact is that I think it's a lie, and as a result would never accept it as a foundation. With a foundation of even the most generic god, you still would exclude a large chunk of the non-dualists from your Greater Peace. Not to mention all of the religious people that disallow for any gods but their specific one. Not to mention all of the non-religious groups that you exclude from full social franchisement. And by you, I am referring to the Baha'i Faith; not necessarily to you in particular.

Consider Rawls' Veil of Ignorance. Or don't.
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The Greater Peace is NOT contingent upon what people believe so nobody will be excluded on that basis.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
CG Didymus said:
But Baha'is aren't connecting with most people here on the forum. And a lot of them are a certain type of people... People that don't believe in the claims made by religious people about their Gods and prophets. And I keep saying that I believe that Baha'is have more in common with Atheist than trinitarian Christians. Both agree that the trinitarian God is not real. Yet, Baha'is say their God is real.

As long as Baha'is make it mandatory to believe in their version of God, then they will never connect with them. Now if you don't bring up religion... or politics and which sports teams you like, then sure, you can probably work together. But that's not what's happening here. Lots of religious people think that their beliefs are the absolute truth. And they love to tell others all about it. How do work with people like that
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Then this will continue.

".......This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." — Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, CXXXI

Then mankinds "...perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody." – Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah

Read about the process here CG.

Universal Peace | What Bahá’ís Believe

The website of the worldwide Bahá’í community
www.bahai.org www.bahai.org

Regards Tony
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
ppp said:
Could the Greater Peace occur in a world that looks like our, but where there was no god of any type and no Baha'i beliefs?
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No, I don't think it could, since it was God's purpose to usher in the Greater Peace by means of the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

“God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it............” The Promised Day is Come, p. 116

God’s Purpose
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
ppp said:
You don't get that discussion until you can demonstrate a satisfactorily robust epistemology. At least, you don't get that discussion with me.

The fact is that I think it's a lie, and as a result would never accept it as a foundation. With a foundation of even the most generic god, you still would exclude a large chunk of the non-dualists from your Greater Peace. Not to mention all of the religious people that disallow for any gods but their specific one. Not to mention all of the non-religious groups that you exclude from full social franchisement. And by you, I am referring to the Baha'i Faith; not necessarily to you in particular.

Consider Rawls' Veil of Ignorance. Or don't.
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TransmutingSoul said:
".......This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." — Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, CXXXI
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This makes it sound like it is necessary to believe in the "counsels" of the most high.
 
ppp

ppp

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Trailblazer said:
No, I don't think it could, since it was God's purpose to usher in the Greater Peace by means of the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

“God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it............” The Promised Day is Come, p. 116

God’s Purpose
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So it depends on what people believe.[shrug]
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
ppp said:
How so?
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".......This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." — Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, CXXXI

Everyone does not have to believe in the Baha'i Faith to follow the counsels. Many atheists and believers of other religions are following them right now and they may never have even heard of the Baha'i Faith.
 
ppp

ppp

Well-Known Member
Trailblazer said:
Nope. It depends upon what people do.
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You just said that it couldn't happen without your god and the Baha'i [the people who believe in your god].
Go back and read your posts, and my posts, then start over and compose what you actually wanted to say
 
ppp

ppp

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BTW, the existence of people who unknowingly agree with the Baha'i does not change the fact of this:
ppp said:
With a foundation of even the most generic god, you still would exclude a large chunk of the non-dualists from your Greater Peace. Not to mention all of the religious people that disallow for any gods but their specific one. Not to mention all of the non-religious groups that you exclude from full social franchisement. And by you, I am referring to the Baha'i Faith; not necessarily to you in particular.
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The Baha'i Faith carries the seeds of disunity in itself.
 
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