Where are the people?

[Trailblazer]

You just said that it couldn't happen without your god and the Baha'i [the people who believe in your god].
Go back and read your posts, and my posts, then start over and compose what you actually wanted to say.

No, I did not say that. You somehow interpreted what I actually said to mean that. There was nothing about 'what people believe' in what I said.

No, I don't think it could, since it was God's purpose to usher in the Greater Peace by means of the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

“God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it............” The Promised Day is Come, p. 116

God’s Purpose

 

[Trailblazer]

They means that you dodged my question as to whether you would support a social contract based on a lie.

You said: I would not accept or support a social contract that was based on a lie. Would you?

I did not dodge the question. I did not know what lie you were talking about. That is why I asked "What lie?"

 

[Trailblazer]

BTW, the existence of people who unknowingly agree with the Baha'i does not change the fact of this:

The Baha'i Faith carries the seeds of disunity in itself.

Nobody will be excluded from the Greater Peace based upon what they believe.
The Greater Peace is a political peace between nations, it has nothing to do with religious beliefs.

The Baha'is are not disunited. The Baha'is are united, but we cannot unite with people of other religions who do not want to unite with us.

 

[ppp]

No, I did not say that.

You just say "I did not say that" when you realize that you didn't think your words thru. Go figure out what you mean, then say it, and live with it.

 

[ppp]

Nobody will be excluded from the Greater Peace based upon what they believe.
The Greater Peace is a political peace between nations, it has nothing to do with religious beliefs.

I have no interest in canned sound bites. Deal with what has been said, or don't bother.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Nobody will be excluded from the Greater Peace based upon what they believe.
The Greater Peace is a political peace between nations, it has nothing to do with religious beliefs.

The Baha'is are not disunited. The Baha'is are united, but we cannot unite with people of other religions who do not want to unite with us.

I would offer that it is the Lesser Peace that is built upon a political unity. It may even involve a greater effort to wipe out religion, so there will most lokely still be pockets of conflict. We are told that after the Nations try to do away with religion, that is when they find out it is not possible to do that, and they will look at what religion is most suited for the age. That is when the Baha'i Faith will stand out. It will be chosen to guide humanity, that time will most likely be the beginning of the building of a most great peace.

The Most Great Peace I see Baha’u’llah has given a vision of is of a distant time in the future when the peoples of the world will live together in peace and unity as members of one faith. Only then will Universal justice be established based on adherence to the law of God. It is then that a new civilization based on spiritual values will come into being, this is what I see as the Most Great Peace.

Lots of Love and best wishes. Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Could the Greater Peace occur in a world that looks like our, but where there was no god of any type and no Baha'i beliefs?

No.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

No.

Regards Tony

Thanks for supporting my point

 

[exchemist]

There will never ever the day China falls to
Islam or bahai.

Presumably why China has incarcerated a million Uigyurs in Xinjiang.

 

[danieldemol]

Your view is incorrect since I was asking a sincere question.
I had no idea what he was referring to which is why I asked: What lie?

Asking another question without answering the original question is dodging the question regardless of whether your question was sincere in my view.

 

[wellwisher]

Like singling out gays as an outcast group? The truth of bias is a reality that bigots create.

Unfortunately, this division is connected to the old Liberal fear of world over population. The bogeyman never came home to roost but the fear is still there. By definition, homosexuals cannot reproduce biologically, thereby satisfying some of the classic Liberal fear of world overpopulation. Those who oppose it, are pro-life for the future.

Transgender, takes population control to the next level, and is becoming another world wide fad. The idea of mass sterilization used to be discussed, but that was considered too harsh and would be resisted. However, if you can convince people to choose sterilization, such as by gender reassignment, then is not exactly cruel, especially if you throw in free makeup kit.

Abortion speaks for itself in terms of population control. Pro-life is connection to the future of life, and addresses those many things that try to game natural reproduction.

 

[ppp]

Thanks for supporting my point

 

[Audie]

That is a very revealing reply indeed.

Nothing to "reveal".

If perchance your community- assuming
you've nowhere to run- we're sore beset by
those seeking to institute sharia law, or
reinstitute ye inquisition a similarly unambiguous
response might be seen as altogether necessay and proper.

You might not even wa t to delay until the task
should prove yet more challenging, or, impossible.

 

[Audie]

Unfortunately, this division is connected to the old Liberal fear of world over population. The bogeyman never came home to roost but the fear is still there. By definition, homosexuals cannot reproduce biologically, thereby satisfying some of the classic Liberal fear of world overpopulation. Those who oppose it, are pro-life for the future.

Transgender, takes population control to the next level, and is becoming another world wide fad. The idea of mass sterilization used to be discussed, but that was considered too harsh and would be resisted. However, if you can convince people to choose sterilization, such as by gender reassignment, then is not exactly cruel, especially if you throw in free makeup kit.

Abortion speaks for itself in terms of population control. Pro-life is connection to the future of life, and addresses those many things that try to game natural reproduction.

Its no "liberal fear"

It's those whose blind faith leads them
to accept absurdities that cannot see the obvious.

 

[F1fan]

Unfortunately, this division is connected to the old Liberal fear of world over population.

How is racism related to concerns about sustaining the planet as global population rises? Look at the effects of waste from demands for products. And polution is also an ongoing issue, with global warming being a massive global problem. Look at over-fishing. The fear by RATIONAL people is coming home to roost.

The bogeyman never came home to roost but the fear is still there.

False.

By definition, homosexuals cannot reproduce biologically, thereby satisfying some of the classic Liberal fear of world overpopulation. Those who oppose it, are pro-life for the future.

Not real issues. Liberals accept gays, and know gay couples can use surrogates or adopt. So your opinion here is false and ignores reality.

Who is truly anti-gay? Conservatives around the world who follow rigid Abrahamic interpretations. Look at what Uganda tried to do by executing gays with the help of American evangelicals.

Transgender, takes population control to the next level, and is becoming another world wide fad. The idea of mass sterilization used to be discussed, but that was considered too harsh and would be resisted. However, if you can convince people to choose sterilization, such as by gender reassignment, then is not exactly cruel, especially if you throw in free makeup kit.

Cruelty is the point, right?

More prejudice from the far right. You aren't liberal, you know, the group you accuse of bigotry when it's really what conservatives tend to be. And they don't tend to follow Jesus despite claiming to be Christian.

Abortion speaks for itself in terms of population control. Pro-life is connection to the future of life, and addresses those many things that try to game natural reproduction.

More fear from the far right who has a fake moral attitude against women and families who have enjoyed liberty for 50 years. Your tribe of anti-rights of reproductive care is a losing issue, as the majority want their liberty to make their own decisions.

 

[exchemist]

Nothing to "reveal".

If perchance your community- assuming
you've nowhere to run- we're sore beset by
those seeking to institute sharia law, or
reinstitute ye inquisition a similarly unambiguous
response might be seen as altogether necessay and proper.

You might not even wa t to delay until the task
should prove yet more challenging, or, impossible.

No way is that remotely morally justifiable.

 

[Audie]

No way is that remotely morally justifiable.

Sharia law and the inquisition or
standing against them

 

[CG Didymus]

How so?

This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." — Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, CXXXI

Unlike TB, I think it means that people will believe and follow the teachings of the Baha'i Faith. Which will then include following the dictates of their governing body, the UHJ. No booze, no drugs, no gays, no adultery etc... a perfect world for religious conservatives. Except the conservative Muslims, conservative Christians, conservative Baha'is and whomever else... will still be disunited and arguing amongst themselves which message from God is true.

 

[ppp]

Unlike TB, I think it means that people will believe and follow the teachings of the Baha'i Faith. Which will then include following the dictates of their governing body, the UHJ. No booze, no drugs, no gays, no adultery etc... a perfect world for religious conservatives. Except the conservative Muslims, conservative Christians, conservative Baha'is and whomever else... will still be disunited and arguing amongst themselves which message from God is true.

I agree with that. But the Baha'i version of morality is antithetical to the goal of the veil of ignorance.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Where then have all the people gone when it comes to rising up for their afflicted fellow human beings?

OK, arise and let us see what you can achieve.
'Para updesh kushal bahutere'. That is what Saint Tulsidas said. (It is damn easy to advise others)