Which is better designed, the brain or the computer ?

[leibowde84]

I don't see any problem with such design, i eat and breath comfortably and i never had scurvy and if you believe about natural selection then we should gone extinct by such faults.

Why should we have "gone extinct because of these faults?" I think you might have an inaccurate understanding of evolution. It's always a bad idea to dismiss something before you understand it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Don't you think that at the end there should be a starter, the starting point.

If nothing started anything, then how matter and life existed at the first place.

I don't know, but I do realize the implications of your argument: if humans require a designer because we're more impressive than computers, then God needs a designer because he's more impressive than a computer factory.

On the other hand, if you're going to assume that some point in the chain could have arisen without a designer, then it's much more believable that we weren't designed than that God wasn't designed.

You believe that God is perfect, right? Do you think that perfection can magically poof out of nowhere? If so, why is it so implausible to you that human beings had no designer?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't see any problem with such design, i eat and breath comfortably and i never had scurvy and if you believe about natural selection then we should gone extinct by such faults.

So you think that the human body can't be improved? You think we're perfect just the way we are?

 

[FearGod]

I don't know, but I do realize the implications of your argument: if humans require a designer because we're more impressive than computers, then God needs a designer because he's more impressive than a computer factory.

On the other hand, if you're going to assume that some point in the chain could have arisen without a designer, then it's much more believable that we weren't designed than that God wasn't designed.

You believe that God is perfect, right? Do you think that perfection can magically poof out of nowhere? If so, why is it so implausible to you that human beings had no designer?

At the end there is one who started it, do you think it started out of nothing ?

 

[Parsimony]

Do you think the brain's complexity doesn't need any plan or design but the computers needed plans and design ?

I was right! Mwahahaha!

 

[FearGod]

So you think that the human body can't be improved? You think we're perfect just the way we are?

Life started from simple form to more complex, so i can 't guess if humans are perfect by now or a better version to be created and replace the present one.

 

[Nietzsche]

Life started from simple form to more complex, so i can 't guess if humans are perfect by now or a better version to be created and replace the present one.

You don't seem to understand what evolution does.

There is no such thing as "more evolved". Evolution has been going on precisely as long with us as with everything else. Evolution is the change of a species in response to their environment.

Let's look at the crocodile. In its environment it is the most powerful, frightening thing to ever live. It is so perfectly adapted to where it lives that the ONLY competition it has is with other members of its species. However, if you take the crocodile population and drop it in the desert, it dies. Why? Because it evolved to be good where it is. It exists where it does because those are the only ones who lived to procreate.

Evolution is the sum-total of eons and eons of that kind of selection. You are made up only of the genes of those who survived. The ones who failed, well they failed. They were not around to pass on their genes. That's why you only really see successful mutations. The ones that are a hindrance tend to get the animal with them killed off, so they don't live long enough to pass on their traits, and even if they do have some offspring the more successful ones saturate the genepool anyway.

That's what the human brain is. It's a collection of happy "accidents"(not really an accident, but it was not exactly directed). This is because all the unhappy ones tended to die.

 

[FearGod]

You don't seem to understand what evolution does.

There is no such thing as "more evolved". Evolution has been going on precisely as long with us as with everything else. Evolution is the change of a species in response to their environment.

Let's look at the crocodile. In its environment it is the most powerful, frightening thing to ever live. It is so perfectly adapted to where it lives that the ONLY competition it has is with other members of its species. However, if you take the crocodile population and drop it in the desert, it dies. Why? Because it evolved to be good where it is. It exists where it does because those are the only ones who lived to procreate.

Evolution is the sum-total of eons and eons of that kind of selection. You are made up only of the genes of those who survived. The ones who failed, well they failed. They were not around to pass on their genes. That's why you only really see successful mutations. The ones that are a hindrance tend to get the animal with them killed off, so they don't live long enough to pass on their traits, and even if they do have some offspring the more successful ones saturate the genepool anyway.

That's what the human brain is. It's a collection of happy "accidents"(not really an accident, but it was not exactly directed). This is because all the unhappy ones tended to die.

Why our common ancestor broke off to chimps and humans.

 

[Nietzsche]

Why our common ancestor broke off to chimps and humans.

Because it didn't "break". Both us and chimps are equal parts our common ancestor. We specialized in different ways, but we remain as much our "old selves".

 

[FearGod]

Because it didn't "break". Both us and chimps are equal parts our common ancestor. We specialized in different ways, but we remain as much our "old selves".

Yes both came from the same common ancestor, but why some evolved to humans and the others to chimps whereas the common ancestor itself disappeared.

 

[Nietzsche]

Yes both came from the same common ancestor, but why some evolved to humans and the others to chimps whereas the common ancestor itself disappeared.

The common ancestor was out-competed. As for why some become us and others became chimps, well. We moved to different environments. Chimps went to the forests, whereas we went to the grasslands.

Standing upright, for instance, is a wonderful thing to be able to do if you live on a grassy plain. You can look over the grass. But in a forest, it severely cripples your mobility. That's just one of many things.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

At the end there is one who started it, do you think it started out of nothing ?

Why not? If God can "start out of nothing" - truly nothing - why can't life arise from non-life?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Life started from simple form to more complex, so i can 't guess if humans are perfect by now or a better version to be created and replace the present one.

You aren't sure whether humans are perfect now? So you think there's a chance that we're perfect?

 

[FearGod]

The common ancestor was out-competed. As for why some become us and others became chimps, well. We moved to different environments. Chimps went to the forests, whereas we went to the grasslands.

Standing upright, for instance, is a wonderful thing to be able to do if you live on a grassy plain. You can look over the grass. But in a forest, it severely cripples your mobility. That's just one of many things.

Where did our common ancestor live ?
In the forests or the grasslands.

 

[Bunyip]

Where did our common ancestor live ?
In the forests or the grasslands.

Well the oldest so far was found in Burma, it is the earliest primate ancestor I know of and was arboreal.

 

[Nietzsche]

Where did our common ancestor live ?
In the forests or the grasslands.

Probably in trees. The chimp in that regard is more physically like our ancestor, but genetically, we're equally related to it. And obviously, the chimp has changed too. No tail, after all.

 

[FearGod]

Why not? If God can "start out of nothing" - truly nothing - why can't life arise from non-life?

Because it is impossible that one thing to exist out of nothing, so that thing had to be existing all the times.

I can see that our bodies were made in a scientific method regardless of our thinking that there are some errors in the design, but nature alone as we know it can never do it.

 

[FearGod]

Probably in trees. The chimp in that regard is more physically like our ancestor, but genetically, we're equally related to it. And obviously, the chimp has changed too. No tail, after all.

You said that if we moved one species to a different environment it may die instantly, for example the crocodile won't survive in the desert.

That being said, the question is how humans survived in the grasslands were it used to live in the forest and how the common ancestor disappeared while it was still living in the forest as the chimps are.

 

[Nietzsche]

You said that if we moved one species to a different environment it may die instantly, for example the crocodile won't survive in the desert.

That being said, the question is how humans survived in the grasslands were it used to live in the forest and how the common ancestor disappeared while it was still living in the forest as the chimps are.

Yes. The crocodile thing is moving the crocodile instantly.

The migration of our ancestor from trees to grassland was gradual. Something that happened through countless generations.

 

[FearGod]

Yes. The crocodile thing is moving the crocodile instantly.

The migration of our ancestor from trees to grassland was gradual. Something that happened through countless generations.

Why the common ancestor disappeared while it was still living in the forest as it used to whereas humans survived in a changing environment regardless of being gradual or instant.