Which is better designed, the brain or the computer ?

[FearGod]

What is? "I don't know" requires no faith.

When we don't know then what works is faith, you have faith that nature did it whereas i have a faith that God did it.

I understand this just fine: it's the fatal flaw in your argument.

We have a few choices here:

- humans need a designer but their designer does not need a designer of his own. This position (your position) is logically inconsistent.

- humans and God both need designers (... and then God needs a designer, who also needs a designer, etc.) As you point out, this position is logically untenable.

- humans don't need a designer. This position works just fine.

So if there was no designer and there was nothing to start with then how things will start out of nothing.
I think we'll get no answers and what is left is our faith

And a perfect God can't be expected to get things right on the first try?

Why we have to assume that he can get it right from the first shot ?

So God is only a slightly imperfect designer, not a horribly imperfect designer. You do agree that God is at least slightly imperfect, right?

BTW: some people do have pain 24 hours a day. You agree that *their* design - and therefore their designer - had major flaws, don't you?

Earthquakes, typhoons, floods ..etc are flaws but God is aware of them, that is according to my belief, as for you it is the nature's flaws but it's good that such things isn't happening every hour, we're just so lucky.

 

[FearGod]

Walking?

With provisions.

 

[Bunyip]

No, i'm serious,the common ancestor isn't individual.
Please answer my question.

How do you think the common ancestor moved to Africa where evolution of human started ?

Well members of the species spread out, Africa was connected to Asia by land at the time.

 

[chinu]

"Better" in what sense? My computer works at - 40 C and +60 C, but my brain starts to misbehave if it gets even a few degrees off 37 C. In that sense, the computer's better.

The misbehaving of brain in such conditions is kinda alarm to take precautions. Its a very good feature, actually.

My computer also has more USB ports.

Vice-versa, brain has numberless invisible ports to connect with different things, or people in this universe.

 

[chinu]

why do you assume that the brain is designed?

I have noticed, sometimes my brain works above than my expectations.

 

[chinu]

The computer is better designed since it's the only one of the two that was actually designed. The brain merely evolved, but was not designed, so far as I can tell.

Poor computer!
Also says the same story about himself to his fellow friends.
But very sadly he doesn't knows the truth.

 

[columbus]

Computers are better because they are connectible.

If God really cared about us we'd be able to share directly, brain to brain. It is usually called mind reading. But we can't do that. On the other hand, I'm holding a small block of plastic in my hand that can communicate with FearGod's computer in Pakistan or someplace near instantaneously. It can access more information than I could possibly remember reliably. It might not function properly, but it will never lie deliberately.
In many ways it has been better designed in the past couple of decades than God managed in 15,000,000 years. If computers keep being better designed at the same rate for another few decades......

Tom

 

[chinu]

Computers are better because they are connectible.
If God really cared about us we'd be able to share directly, brain to brain. It is usually called mind reading. But we can't do that.

You can do that. Its possible.
You can't do.. because your brain/computer is affected and filled-up with the five viruses.. lust, anger, greed, false-attachments and ego. Your brain is so much affected with these viruses that.. now its difficult for you to recognize your own character.

 

[FearGod]

Computers are better because they are connectible.

If God really cared about us we'd be able to share directly, brain to brain. It is usually called mind reading. But we can't do that. On the other hand, I'm holding a small block of plastic in my hand that can communicate with FearGod's computer in Pakistan or someplace near instantaneously. It can access more information than I could possibly remember reliably. It might not function properly, but it will never lie deliberately.
In many ways it has been better designed in the past couple of decades than God managed in 15,000,000 years. If computers keep being better designed at the same rate for another few decades......

Tom

That is an evidence that our brains are superior otherwise we won't be able to make and develop such devices and tools.

 

[leibowde84]

At the end there is one who started it, do you think it started out of nothing ?

Why do you feel that the mere fact that our extremely limited scientific understanding as a species is not yet capable of understanding an eternal existance proves that everything must have a beginning. In other words, it seems like you are saying, "everything we know of in the natural world has a cause and beginning, so the universe MUST be the same way." This completely ignores the FACT that our scientific knowledge is extremely undeveloped at this time when considering all we are capable of understanding. How do you reconcile this fact with your position?

 

[FearGod]

Why do you feel that the mere fact that our extremely limited scientific understanding as a species is not yet capable of understanding an eternal existance proves that everything must have a beginning. In other words, it seems like you are saying, "everything we know of in the natural world has a cause and beginning, so the universe MUST be the same way." This completely ignores the FACT that our scientific knowledge is extremely undeveloped at this time when considering all we are capable of understanding. How do you reconcile this fact with your position?

I admit that we don't have a frank answer for it but faith.

 

[leibowde84]

I admit that we don't have a frank answer for it but faith.

Right, but what is your personal reasoning for jumping to the conclusion of "faith" instead of just admitting that we have no way of knowing yet, speaking in terms of reason of course?

 

[FearGod]

Right, but what is your personal reasoning for jumping to the conclusion of "faith" instead of just admitting that we have no way of knowing yet, speaking in terms of reason of course?

What convinced me is the prophecies, the word prophet is derived from the word prophecy, so if the world goes according to their prophecy then it means that they were right and it isn't just coincidences.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I am still not sure how people can look at a computer and assume it was designed but look at a brain and assume it was not designed. When a computer assembles itself from odd pieces laying around a workshop then I will believe in evolution. Until then it looks like the computer was designed by a human brain but the human brain was designed by some more intelligent power.

 

[suncowiam]

I am still not sure how people can look at a computer and assume it was designed but look at a brain and assume it was not designed. When a computer assembles itself from odd pieces laying around a workshop then I will believe in evolution. Until then it looks like the computer was designed by a human brain but the human brain was designed by some more intelligent power.

You can assume this. Its an easy assumption to make given the definition of God. But like all definitions of God, its all based on hearsay and blind faith.

If you have faith then great for you. Those are your beliefs. However, I would draw the line between beliefs and observations before asserting something as true.

No one can prove the origin of life which is the basis of the human brain. If you want to prove it then feel free but with more than just conjectures.

 

[psychoslice]

The brain will always win, because its the brain that made the computer.

 

[leibowde84]

What convinced me is the prophecies, the word prophet is derived from the word prophecy, so if the world goes according to their prophecy then it means that they were right and it isn't just coincidences.

What prophecy are you referring to? Surely you don't mean those presented in the Old Testament, do you?

 

[FearGod]

What prophecy are you referring to? Surely you don't mean those presented in the Old Testament, do you?

You can google for the prophecies yourself, sorry that i don't want to discuss it here.

 

[FearGod]

The brain will always win, because its the brain that made the computer.

Very meaningful answer.

 

[leibowde84]

You can google for the prophecies yourself, sorry that i don't want to discuss it here.

I can't Google them unless you at least provide some kind of indication as to which specific prophecies you are referring to. That's all I am asking for. If there are too many to list, maybe just provide me with the one you find to be most convincing. Thanks for your help.