Which is better designed, the brain or the computer ?

[Nietzsche]

Why the common ancestor disappeared while it was still living in the forest as it used to whereas humans survived in a changing environment regardless of being gradual or instant.

Because evolution doesn't cease, and environments aren't the only things that drive it. New predators, or a famine, or what have you. Any number of things could've happened, and continue to happen today.

Also, technically speaking, it is still here. Us, chimps, and while they were still alive Neanderthals and other Human-Cousins were all equal heirs to the 'Humanzee'(I don't know what the proper name for our ancestor is, and I am about to go to bed, so I'ma call it this for now).

 

[FearGod]

Well the oldest so far was found in Burma, it is the earliest primate ancestor I know of and was arboreal.

They thought it was in Africa and theories were built according to it.

 

[Bunyip]

They thought it was in Africa and theories were built according to it.

Well the first humans did come from africa, their ancestors did not.

 

[FearGod]

Because evolution doesn't cease, and environments aren't the only things that drive it. New predators, or a famine, or what have you. Any number of things could've happened, and continue to happen today.

Also, technically speaking, it is still here. Us, chimps, and while they were still alive Neanderthals and other Human-Cousins were all equal heirs to the 'Humanzee'(I don't know what the proper name for our ancestor is, and I am about to go to bed, so I'ma call it this for now).

So you think the common ancestor disappeared while living in the same environment that chimps lived and still living.

How the environment changed gradually from forests to grasslands?

 

[FearGod]

Well the first humans did come from africa, their ancestors did not.

Did the common ancestor live in Burma and traveled all the way to Africa where human evolution started ?
Did he arrive to Africa as a common ancestor or a hominid ?

 

[Bunyip]

Did the common ancestor live in Burma and traveled all the way to Africa where human evolution started ?
Did he arrive to Africa as a common ancestor or a hominid ?

What? You actually think we are talking about an individual? You're kidding right?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What if in water ?
Do we need to put fans in our brains to work and to make some holes for ventilation ?

Is it geeky of me to point out that not all computers need cooling, and that of those that do, various methods are readily available including liquid cooling?

Ignoring the 'design' portion of the OP, I'll go with the brain being more complex. At least until a computer designs a fully functioning human brain.

 

[FearGod]

What? You actually think we are talking about an individual? You're kidding right?

No, i'm serious,the common ancestor isn't individual.
Please answer my question.

How do you think the common ancestor moved to Africa where evolution of human started ?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because it is impossible that one thing to exist out of nothing,

So then it's impossible for God to exist out of nothing.

so that thing had to be existing all the times.

Do you think that assuming that a thing is eternal somehow makes it more plausible? From my perspective, this assumption creates more problems, not fewer.

I can see that our bodies were made in a scientific method regardless of our thinking that there are some errors in the design, but nature alone as we know it can never do it.

Sounds like you don't believe that there are "errors in our design". Does this mean you think that we're perfect?

 

[Sunstone]

Do you think the brain's complexity doesn't need any plan or design but the computers needed plans and design ?

Each system in our body is working in harmony with the other, the brain won't work if there is no blood, and the blood should carry oxygen and nutrients to every part of our body, the Oxygen is prepared by the lungs whereas nutrients and water are prepared by the gastrointestinal system.

If the body wasn't designed to do so, then would you call it a coincidence or the work of luck.

Are you trying to argue that the more complex a thing is, the more it requires a designer? If so, how do you defend such a simplistic assumption?

By the way, the brain's and body's complexity is neither a coincidence, nor a work of luck, but instead an outcome of evolution, which is based neither on coincidence nor on luck.

 

[Midnight Rain]

The computer can't work without a program whereas the brain work without a fixed programs,IOW the computer doesn't have a free will.

Now do you think the human's brain was better designed than the computer or the contrary is correct ?

I would say a computer is a better design but the brain is far more complex.

 

[FearGod]

So then it's impossible for God to exist out of nothing

What about life and the universe ?
Can it ?

Do you think that assuming that a thing is eternal somehow makes it more plausible? From my perspective, this assumption creates more problems, not fewer.

Why do you think it creates more problems ?

Sounds like you don't believe that there are "errors in our design". Does this mean you think that we're perfect?

Yes i think the penis should keep erection longer than the period specified or if the male can control erection by his thoughts,also we enjoy eating but we can eat only for few minutes as eating a lot will be harmful, yes we can find some errors.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What about life and the universe ?
Can it ?

Life didn't come to exist out of nothing. I don't know what caused the universe.

Why do you think it creates more problems ?

Because it doesn't address the issue you raised, but it raises a new issue that needs explanation.

Think about an analogy using the arguments you raised earlier:

You see a car and presume it was designed. Your friend says that it was not designed. You point out all the characteristics of design you see in the car (whatever you presume them to be), and your friend replies "ah, yes... but none of that matters because this car has existed forever."

Has your friend actually addressed any of the issues you've raised? Do you think that his claim that the car has existed forever deserves and explanation of its own?

Yes i think the penis should keep erection longer than the period specified or if the male can control erection by his thoughts,also we enjoy eating but we can eat only for few minutes as eating a lot will be harmful, yes we can find some errors.

Okay. So you agree that there are errors in the design of human beings. An error in a design implies a fault in the designer. Do you agree that God is an imperfect designer?

 

[Nietzsche]

So you think the common ancestor disappeared while living in the same environment that chimps lived and still living.

Again, nature does not exist in a vacuum. Things are constantly changing. Do you know what a 'Ring Species' is?

How the environment changed gradually from forests to grasslands?

Portions of the Humanzee population were pushed away from the forests for one reason or another.

 

[suncowiam]

We don't know the origin of life nor do we know the origin of our universe. That's the most people can say without further observations.

 

[FearGod]

Life didn't come to exist out of nothing. I don't know what caused the universe.

So it is eventually all about faith.

Because it doesn't address the issue you raised, but it raises a new issue that needs explanation.

Think about an analogy using the arguments you raised earlier:

You see a car and presume it was designed. Your friend says that it was not designed. You point out all the characteristics of design you see in the car (whatever you presume them to be), and your friend replies "ah, yes... but none of that matters because this car has existed forever."

Has your friend actually addressed any of the issues you've raised? Do you think that his claim that the car has existed forever deserves and explanation of its own?

You didn't understand my argument regarding eternity, let me put it in this way

God , God's maker , the maker of God's maker , the maker of (the maker of God's maker) ................eternal

Okay. So you agree that there are errors in the design of human beings. An error in a design implies a fault in the designer. Do you agree that God is an imperfect designer?

Humans for God was a new invention that he asked the angels to bow for it.

I don't see a significant errors, for example if my head pains 24 hours a day then i'll admit that it was a stupid design and i will think of a suicide for sure not me but all humans will do, or if i vomit every now and then ..etc

 

[The Neo Nerd]

We should get Feargod and Mohammad Nur Syamsu to argue it.

FG: The brain is so awesome.
MNS: But what about depression.
FG: But the brain is so awesome.
MNS: But what about depression.
FG: But the brain is so awesome.

Wash rinse and repeat

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So it is eventually all about faith.

What is? "I don't know" requires no faith.

You didn't understand my argument regarding eternity, let me put it in this way

God , God's maker , the maker of God's maker , the maker of (the maker of God's maker) ................eternal

I understand this just fine: it's the fatal flaw in your argument.

We have a few choices here:

- humans need a designer but their designer does not need a designer of his own. This position (your position) is logically inconsistent.

- humans and God both need designers (... and then God needs a designer, who also needs a designer, etc.) As you point out, this position is logically untenable.

- humans don't need a designer. This position works just fine.

Humans for God was a new invention that he asked the angels to bow for it.

And a perfect God can't be expected to get things right on the first try?

I don't see a significant errors, for example if my head pains 24 hours a day then i'll admit that it was a stupid design and i will think of a suicide for sure not me but all humans will do, or if i vomit every now and then ..etc

So God is only a slightly imperfect designer, not a horribly imperfect designer. You do agree that God is at least slightly imperfect, right?

BTW: some people do have pain 24 hours a day. You agree that *their* design - and therefore their designer - had major flaws, don't you?

 

[FearGod]

We should get Feargod and Mohammad Nur Syamsu to argue it.

FG: The brain is so awesome.
MNS: But what about depression.
FG: But the brain is so awesome.
MNS: But what about depression.
MNS: But the brain is so awesome.

Wash rinse and repeat

Edit the last sentence, MNS should be FG

 

[Parsimony]

How do you think the common ancestor moved to Africa where evolution of human started ?

Walking?