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Which statement is more likely to be true:
- Thread starter Jeremiah
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
...You aren't even saying anything coherent. You're repeatedly claiming everything is infinite, but aren't actually backing this up with anything, let alone any logic, fallacious or otherwise.
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You asked for one example of existence being a finite thing.
I provided an example of how existence has a finite limit, and others provided other examples.
But you didn't. Your example was of the limit of speed, not of existence.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Everything has finite energy. That do?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Define "existence", then.
Things exist. Existence is simply the state of being.
sniper762
Well-Known Member
ex·ist·ence
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–noun 1. the state or fact of existing; being.
2. continuance in being or life; life: a struggle for existence.
3. mode of existing: They were working for a better existence.
4. all that exists: Existence shows a universal order.
5. something that exists; entity; being.
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Show Spelled[ig-zis-tuh
Show IPA –noun 1. the state or fact of existing; being.
2. continuance in being or life; life: a struggle for existence.
3. mode of existing: They were working for a better existence.
4. all that exists: Existence shows a universal order.
5. something that exists; entity; being.
It's a limit in which, according to current understanding of existence, nothing that has mass can accelerate too, and that all mass-less particles travel at, and that the speed of information is restricted to.
Existence is limited in several ways, of which that is just one.
But existence as it is currently understood has properties, and those properties have various finite limits.
Could I instead substitute for the blue part "according to current understanding of physics"?
Existence cannot have properties, because properties exist.
ex·ist·ence
   /ɪgˈzɪstəns/ns]
noun 1. the state or fact of existing; being.
2. continuance in being or life; life: a struggle for existence.
3. mode of existing: They were working for a better existence.
4. all that exists: Existence shows a universal order.
5. something that exists; entity; being.
is this a definition?
you gave an application of the term, a proverb, a different function of the word and things that exist.
this is one of the saddest attempts of a definition that ive seen.
Definition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
existence is a term created by us humans, if we humans cannot ecplain what this term means (defining it) than the term is useless and has no application.
Yes, but the field of physics is a description of how existence operates and what its properties are.
We seem to be using the definition differently.
I'm using the definition to describe "all that exists" (as a broader term than "the universe", since we don't know whether the universe is all that exists). You seem to be using it to mean the state of something that exists. Both are valid definitions, (as evidenced by sniper's copy/paste of the definition) and can lead to some confusions.
Existence, described as all that exists, or "what is", has finite limits according to observation and measurement.
wiki is better than a dictionary.
In common usage, existence is the world we are aware of through our senses, and that persists independently without them. In academic philosophy the word has a more specialized meaning, being contrasted with essence, which specifies different forms of existence as well as different identity conditions for objects and properties. Philosophers investigate questions such as "What exists?" "How do we know?" "To what extent are the senses a reliable guide to existence?" "What is the meaning, if any, of assertions of the existence of categories, ideas, and abstractions?"
I should also ad:
Materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter, that all things are composed of material, and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions. In other words, matter is the only substance. Supernaturalism, on the other hand, holds that other things exist (or may exist) in addition.
its not a perfect definition (one can philosophicly arue if its possible to perfectly design something) but i can atleast call it a definition
No doubt.
I understand that you're using the word that way. It's just that others obviously aren't. That "existence is infinite" is our first clue. To see the way in which "existence is infinite," the first step is trying to see it from the other's point of view.